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The lighting is for TV purposes. Channel 7 require a certain level of light for broadcast. There are some issues with where the temporary lights will be located.

Now all we need to do is hope it doesn't snow - end of July is usually the most common time for snow in Ballarat.
 

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Dont want to rain on your parade Roo BUT ... the AFL are paying for the lighting, is it just another example of the back room deal to extend the GF at the G, it is an election year.
Yep I am an Eagles fan & the AFL did not put $0.01 into the new Perth facility, not $1.
Wtf does the AFL paying to temp lighting have to do with the state election and the MCC/AFL agreement?

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Wtf does the AFL paying to temp lighting have to do with the state election and the MCC/AFL agreement?

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I was being a bit politer with my response, because I wasn't quite sure where that question was going either. I do try to be as informative as I can be in my posts and try to keep politics out where possible.
 

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Wtf does the AFL paying to temp lighting have to do with the state election and the MCC/AFL agreement?

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Naivety does not suit you 74, politics at work, the Govt does something for the MCC, the MCC does something for the Govt, both need the AFL on board, classic slush fund stuff IMHO - why would the AFL pay for the lights, playing games in Ballarat is political fodder at best.

Now I know the Melbourne footy market is over supplied & demand is very weak for certain segments of the FIXture, lets take these games to A, B, C & the regions e.g Ballarat.
Got no problems with games in Ballarat per se see my apology for raining on (Roogals) parade.
 

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Naivety does not suit you 74, politics at work, the Govt does something for the MCC, the MCC does something for the Govt, both need the AFL on board, classic slush fund stuff IMHO - why would the AFL pay for the lights, playing games in Ballarat is political fodder at best.

Now I know the Melbourne footy market is over supplied & demand is very weak for certain segments of the FIXture, lets take these games to A, B, C & the regions e.g Ballarat.
Got no problems with games in Ballarat per se see my apology for raining on (Roogals) parade.
Seriously dude, add in Zionists, Rothschild's , and Soros, and they would love you on the conspiracy board ;)

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AFL set to fork out on lighting ahead of Dogs Power clash at Mars

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The AFL is set to fork out thousands to bring in temporary lighting for next month’s twilight fixture between the Western Bulldogs and Port Adelaide.



Jarrod Witts of the Suns and Tom Boyd of the Bulldogs compete for the ball. Picture: Dylan Burns


Unlike the previous two premiership matches which have been played at 1.45pm on a Saturday, Ballarat’s third fixture will kick off at 3.20pm on Sunday, July 29. The Courier understands that while the ground’s lighting is considered adequate for play, additional lights are needed to assist the Channel Seven television broadcast.

READ MORE: Eureka Stadium's powerful lights ready

The broadcast is due to finish just before the 6pm news bulletin, however sunset is expected at 5.35pm. In a statement, AFL media relations manager Patrick Keane confirmed additional lights would be needed, but did not specify the amount or the cost. He stressed “it will be the AFL meeting this cost, not the venue”.

The AFL was aware of the lighting capacity and this match is scheduled as a Seven game for national broadcast on free to air. Patrick Keane - AFL media relations manager srrated “The AFL was aware of the lighting capacity and this match is scheduled as a Seven game for national broadcast on free to air, to provide the widest possible coverage on our network partner for the venue and the game."

Representatives from Channel Seven and the AFL toured the facility earlier this month to inspect the lighting capability. New lights capable of brightening the oval to 300-lux were installed at Mars Stadium in 2016 as part of the $30 million transformation of the facility. The oval’s former lights were transferred to North Ballarat’s number two oval.

City of Ballarat councillor Jim Rinaldi said “the intention was never to have televised night games here, and we knew the lights weren't strong enough”, but added the free-to-air broadcast was a huge win for the city.


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The match will be the first fixture from Mars Stadium to be broadcast onto free-to-air television, after Fox Footy televised the first two games. The AFL will be hoping for a boosted crowd at the next match after just 6833 spectators turned out for the Bulldogs v Gold Coast game.
When I went past on a heritage train trip to Wycheproof last year I thought that the light towers were not adequate for AFL games, now my suspicions have been confirmed
 

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Seriously dude, add in Zionists, Rothschild's , and Soros, and they would love you on the conspiracy board ;)

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Nah, you are a girl if you want to be :( ... yes, I'm a bad loser when it comes to the backroom deal that locked in GF to the G until 2057, a big win for the Vic Govt & its never that simple.
Maybe its the noisy footy fan in Sandgropers, not the reserved types :rolleyes: here in Vic.
 

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Nah, you are a girl if you want to be :( ... yes, I'm a bad loser when it comes to the backroom deal that locked in GF to the G until 2057, a big win for the Vic Govt & its never that simple.
Maybe its the noisy footy fan in Sandgropers, not the reserved types :rolleyes: here in Vic.
keep your focus on the relevant stuff then

you dont complain about $3 pies at etihad during june because its a part of a pro vic plan to deprive WA of hosting the grand final. the lights are in the same boat

this is your line of thinking, and how mad it is

GOVT: "okay AFL, if you spend a little coin on lights in Ballarat and lock in the GF in Melbourne, we will spend $300m in docklands and we will also force the MCC to spend hundreds of millions of their own money using our jedi mind powers on them"

seriously?
 

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When I went past on a heritage train trip to Wycheproof last year I thought that the light towers were not adequate for AFL games, now my suspicions have been confirmed
You are right and they were never intended to be. The original intention was never to play night AFL games, and that the lights would be for VFL and BFNL use only. But to play competition level cricket games at State level or higher or AFL games then the lights would need to be twice as bright.
 

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keep your focus on the relevant stuff then

you dont complain about $3 pies at etihad during june because its a part of a pro vic plan to deprive WA of hosting the grand final. the lights are in the same boat
In all fairness, this isn't the sort of thing the AFL should be spending money on. It's the ultimate responsibility of the home club to provide a venue suitable for AFL football. If they can't do it, move the game to a venue that will be.
 

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In all fairness, this isn't the sort of thing the AFL should be spending money on. It's the ultimate responsibility of the home club to provide a venue suitable for AFL football. If they can't do it, move the game to a venue that will be.
is it?

Is it Richmonds job to ensure Etihad is up to spec?

Is it Geelongs job to ensure the MCG meets code?

The AFL have taken away from clubs the right to say where they play their games. Clubs can nominate or select a preference, but thats it.

That issue aside, if the lights at ballarat already meet AFL min requirements for an AFL H&A night game, but the AFL want to juice it to appease TV networks, OR the AFL want to start scheduling night games there instead of the originally planned day ones, thats all on the AFL
 

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is it?

Is it Richmonds job to ensure Etihad is up to spec?
Ultimately, yes. Although you'd think there'd be various conditions in the contracts that mean that its probably the ground manager's responsibility.

Is it Geelongs job to ensure the MCG meets code?
Ultimately, yes. But ditto.

The AFL have taken away from clubs the right to say where they play their games. Clubs can nominate or select a preference, but thats it.
That's not the case here.

That issue aside, if the lights at ballarat already meet AFL min requirements for an AFL H&A night game, but the AFL want to juice it to appease TV networks, OR the AFL want to start scheduling night games there instead of the originally planned day ones, thats all on the AFL
Fair enough, but the AFL shouldn't be doing that in the first place.
 

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Ultimately, yes. Although you'd think there'd be various conditions in the contracts that mean that its probably the ground manager's responsibility.



Ultimately, yes. But ditto.



That's not the case here.



Fair enough, but the AFL shouldn't be doing that in the first place.
Richmond DO NOT WANT TO PLAY AT ETIHAD. Geelong DO NOT WANT TO PLAY AT THE MCG. Yet you think they are both responsible for ensuring the stadium is AFL grade even though they ask not to play home games there are all?

seriously???

Also you are forgetting its the AFL who has the agreements with the MCG and Etihad, most clubs dont have direct agreements with their "home" stadium anymore. Richmond's with the MCC lapsed years ago. Most Etihad tenants are lapsed. And this is for the stadium they call "home"

The AFL control stadium selection, more so in Victoria than anywhere else. Pretending clubs have a say in where they play over the AFL is laughable


On the Ballarat thing, the AFL has right of veto on any game sale deal, clubs cannot do this on their own. This happened most recently in Tassie, where Richmond were removed from discussions with the Tassie govt after the AFL advised them the Kangas were their preferred Hobart partner. The Hawks deal was the same, its renewal was dependant upon the afl agreeing to it (something that the afl was thinking of not doing at one point).

If Balla was set up to host day games during H&A (a logical thought given temps in Ballarat at night in winter) but the AFL in their wisdom decide to change it up and host night games, thats their issue. Personally i think a night game in winter up there is stupid, but its what the afl want, so i genuinely dont care if they are paying for the lights - vic tax payers have already done their bit
 

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Naivety does not suit you 74, politics at work, the Govt does something for the MCC, the MCC does something for the Govt, both need the AFL on board, classic slush fund stuff IMHO - why would the AFL pay for the lights, playing games in Ballarat is political fodder at best.

Now I know the Melbourne footy market is over supplied & demand is very weak for certain segments of the FIXture, lets take these games to A, B, C & the regions e.g Ballarat.
Got no problems with games in Ballarat per se see my apology for raining on (Roogals) parade.
The AFL were the ones who scheduled this 2nd Ballarat game at a ridiculous time - 3.20 on a Sunday thus requiring additional lighting. Put it on at 1.10 and save your money. Its an hour and a quarter travel for me - i will go because I'm a tragic but it means a 8 pm arrival home on a Sunday night. Timing defies logic if you want a crowd.
 

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The AFL were the ones who scheduled this 2nd Ballarat game at a ridiculous time - 3.20 on a Sunday thus requiring additional lighting. Put it on at 1.10 and save your money. Its an hour and a quarter travel for me - i will go because I'm a tragic but it means a 8 pm arrival home on a Sunday night. Timing defies logic if you want a crowd.
I’m not sure crowds are really a concern for the AFL with Ballarats capacity at the moment, this game would definitely have been scheduled for a TV audience
 

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On one hand playing at 1.10 would solve the problem, but on the other hand the AFL are giving exposure to Ballarat by putting them on Channel 7 at 3.20pm.

The AFL obviously understands this and are footing the bill for extra lighting as it darkens late in the game. What's wrong with that?
 

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Council wanted the later game on free to air TV. They're many millions out of pocket for this whole experiment and the money keeps leaking.
 

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Council wanted the later game on free to air TV. They're many millions out of pocket for this whole experiment and the money keeps leaking.
The Council had no say in the footy programming, they just asked the AFL for specific interstate teams to play there to maximise tourist dollars. After all Melbourne people aren't going to stay over night in Ballarat, but Adelaide based supporters likely will. It all just comes down to the draw. Thankfully you are wrong on the aspect of the money. The ground has seen a 50% increase in usage since redevelopment including now being booked to host more BFL finals, TAC Cup finals, VFLW games, the National Indigenous carnival last October drew 3000 visitors for a four day football festival, and it will likely be guaranteed pre-season AFL games in addition to at least one AFLW game from 2019. Not a bad investment considering that the Ballarat Regional Soccer Facilty cost as much to build and holds only half as many.

I don't understand the cynicism. Some are politically trying to link the Council's compulsory acquisition of the the North Ballarat Sports Club to the cost of the Mars Stadium redevelopment, but the two are completely separate issues. Remember that the building of the stadium is being funded by the State Government and not the Council. Once the, lights go out, the scoreboard is switched off and the media boxes get locked the ground has no running costs. It's not not like Etihad.
 

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The AFL were the ones who scheduled this 2nd Ballarat game at a ridiculous time - 3.20 on a Sunday thus requiring additional lighting. Put it on at 1.10 and save your money. Its an hour and a quarter travel for me - i will go because I'm a tragic but it means a 8 pm arrival home on a Sunday night. Timing defies logic if you want a crowd.
I agree with your points on the scheduling. After all they don't schedule Kardinia Park games on Sunday twilight or Sunday night for those very reasons. That said, it was common knowledge that Mars Stadium's lights were not going to be up to spec for live broadcast and they were never oringinally specified to be in the initial design brief for the Stage One development of the ground. Even if each of the existing four towers were fitted with their remaining 15 luminaires per-tower that would only upgrade its lighting from VFL grade to AFL non-televised grade. As stands are built around the ground, they could be supplemented by newer generation LED directional down-lights which do create daylight-like light around the boundaries (Already installed on the Eureka Stand) allowing the four towers to eventually be re-focussed at the centre of the oval.
 
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I agree with your points on the scheduling. After all they don't schedule Kardinia Park games on Sunday twilight or Sunday night for those very reasons. That said, it was common knowledge that Mars Stadium's lights were not going to be up to spec for live broadcast and they were never oringinally specified to be in the initial design brief for the Stage One development of the ground. Even if each of the existing four towers were fitted with their remaining 15 luminaires per-tower that would only upgrade its lighting from VFL grade to AFL non-televised grade. As stands are built around the ground, they could be supplemented by newer generation LED directional down-lights which do create daylight-like light around the boundaries (Already installed on the Eureka Stand) allowing the four towers to eventually be re-focussed at the centre of the oval.
Walking out afterwards, it seemed the adjoining North Ballarat FC lights were better than those at MARS. They were on to provide lighting to the car parks and those of us walking past all agreed.
 
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