Player Watch Mason Cox

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...and then showing so much potential that he was given just 57 minutes court time in an entire season. 57 minutes for 7 points. That's Lebron like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk-on_(sports)

And then after a few years delisted by the smarter ones.
shows you dont know much about college basketball
minutes are like stats rubbish
respect of your peers is a truer indication and he earnt theirs
 

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None of our players deserve this crap. Seems like there are a few people who 2010 gave the idea we had some God-given right to dominate the other 17 teams in a competition that the governing body has devised to level. It's like we are pre-fall Carlton supporters.

I love this comment. Kudos sir.
 

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Show me a guy his size that has shown more in less than 20games? There really aren't many and the ones that have, have gone on to be fantastic.

He'll never be elite. But there's no reason why he can't progress like he us and be a genuine talent at 28. Think about that. If he hits his peak in 2 years when were rebounding back up the ladder he'll be a huge part.
 

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1. A competent back up ruck that won't leave for oppurtunity, keep.

2. If not ruck then work to his strengths, not a natural footballer, so play him as an old skool full forward, don't get sucked in up the ground, never leave the I50
 

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The vitriol is towards the man on the field, not the man off the field. Sure he's a good bloke, and that's his on field problem. For a guy his size he get's pushed around like a 6 years old Auskicker. He'll need to channel Mummy if he's gonna succeed at the highest level.



All those above mentioned players, apart from Pyke, played with a round ball using both hands and feet, in a game which skill set resembles ours best. Pyke played with an oval ball in game where kicking and catching and picking up an unpredictable bouncing ball is integral. Pyke was a winger so he ran like the wind and had great take-off speed.

Cox played a round ball game where using your hands to control the ball is penalised. And for those that say he was a basketballer. His time on court for Oklahoma State was a grand 57 minutes! If Aussie Rules was played exclusively with your feet, using a round ball, he might just make it.
That may be limited time, sure, but its still a high level and you might be discounting the work he had to do to get there. Little bit selective to say he doesn't have the ball handling capability to make it
 

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Cox was on a hiding to nothing. He did the right thing by kicking goals in the VFL, but Reid deserved that first shot at the ridiculously overdue appointment of another tall to help Moore. The match committee deserve a roast, to drop a proven AFL quality swingman who wasn't out of form was incredibly poor.
 

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Im not a huge fan of Mason, but our problem is the midfield. Id love to see him get a crack at it with some better delivery and even contests.
True, If the team were to perform better and actually dominate an opposition for once It would not surprise me to see Cox kick multiple goals, people do not realize how hard it would be to play forward in this shambles of a team, If they are not butchering it going forward they are all sharing it with handball through 8 sets of hands to gain 10 meters while the opposition flood back.
Goes to show you how good someone like Elliot actually is, Imagine him with twice as many chances!
 

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I don't understand the vitriol. Cox is a guy that has given up a well paid career to chase a dream and is working his arse off for it and us. Training reports have him as one of the last off the field every session. He's stays the longest to sign autographs and is a genuine bloke. He does not deserve the disrespect you're levelling at him in this thread.

To his footballing ability he has speed and height and is dangerous to a point but hasn't dealt with body contact in the contest yet. You're criticism of his rucking is unfair, he regularly wins clean hitouts and ruck is clearly his best position. We just don't have a role for him there.

To the topic of international players I think they are great for the game. Stynes, Kennely, Hanley, Pyke and Tuohy are all successes. To dismiss that, and to take away the opportunity they were given, would diminish the game.

I undestand your frustration at how we're playing and performing, but to be honest I think your OP is grossly unfair and misguided.
Has speed? Surely you jest...

His pace is only good compared with Sandilands and other uber tall ruckmen although Gawn would have him covered.

3 sec 20m time overall is not quick.

Watch him onfield he gets burnt off with ease by oppo players when he is chasing them out of the def 50.

He never makes in roads or even holds sway.

On top of this he is is like a skrinking violet when the slightest physical touch is made.
He has no body strength and needs like many on the list to add a bit of size and strength.

Yes he is coming along in areas of his game and credit to him but he has a long road to go to become AFL quality player.

I agree the op is ott and Id persist with Cox but he needs to keep his improvement trending up.
 

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I just think keep persisting, it's only been 2 years,reckon give it another 2 and then make that call. The one thing I will say is that he needs to work hard on body position and vertical leap - get those two right ( and move the ball quickly forward ) and we would be singing his praises


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And strength he is too easily moved off his line and arms give way at the slightest touch in the marking contest.
 

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I've said it many times before...

There are so many kids and experienced players across the country and we went with a 26yr old foreigner who has never played the game before?

He is treacle slow, barely takes a mark, adds nothing with ball on deck and is out muscled by smaller opponents in aerial contests and can't keep his feet.
It's an indictment on our recruiting staff that this occurred and an indictment on our coach who actually keeps playing despite all of the above and that he thought he was a better option than a Travis Cloke.
 

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Has speed? Surely you jest...

His pace is only good compared with Sandilands and other uber tall ruckmen although Gawn would have him covered.

3 sec 20m time overall is not quick.

Watch him onfield he gets burnt off with ease by oppo players when he is chasing them out of the def 50.

He never makes in roads or even holds sway.

On top of this he is is like a skrinking violet when the slightest physical touch is made.
He has no body strength and needs like many on the list to add a bit of size and strength.

Yes he is coming along in areas of his game and credit to him but he has a long road to go to become AFL quality player.

I agree the op is ott and Id persist with Cox but he needs to keep his improvement trending up.
3 seconds flat over 20m is plenty quick. It's his agility, not his straight line speed, that holds him back. Especially defending at ground level. I don't disagree he has flaws in his game, namely his marking, body work in the contest and agility.
 

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3 seconds flat over 20m is plenty quick. It's his agility, not his straight line speed, that holds him back. Especially defending at ground level. I don't disagree he has flaws in his game, namely his marking, body work in the contest and agility.
It actually isn't. It is average at best when compared to all players and not just those 200cm plus.

Straight line he struggles for pace when chasing, players don't have to move laterally to evade mason they straight up put distance on him over 20m.
 
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Sorry, but i don't agree with the opening post at all. Cox has plenty of upside as a forward if the game plan around him was working well, and to be honest he's already a better tap ruck than Grundy, who has excellent qualities but tap work isn't one of them. If our midfield and game plan actually got the ball to him quickly, to his advantage to either try and mark or tap to a crumber, there is hardly a defender playing today who could consistently beat him. He is very very tall, and he is very smart for a novice AFLer, something our team could seriously do with.
 

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As goofy as he looks the fact is he kicks goal, which as a team we struggle to do. When the ball is kicked to him he does sometimes fluff a mark but the opposition aren't marking it either so he is providing a contest and a focal point.
 

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If he has the ball kicked to his advantage, he is going to be a handful. But then again, so will any decent key position forward in the comp. Even Ben Reid, who is 195cm, showed on the weekend he can take a contested mark if the ball is kicked to his advantage.

The difference with Mason is that he doesn't have any other attributes other than his ability to compete in the air. He becomes completely useless at ground level, and barely any defensive pressure.

Compare him to someone like Charlie Dixon, who crashes packs, but also puts a lot into his defensive game.

For Cox to become a real weapon, he needs to take his contested marking game to a new stratosphere. At the moment, he competes well, but not better than most key forwards. He has to reach a point where he is basically unstoppable. That will negate his shortcomings. He also needs to get much stronger, and not be pushed off the ball so easy.

His other advantage is that he offers a genuine 2nd ruck option and he can actually be a weapon in this area.

But I would have to say the odds of him reaching these levels are very long. To his credit, I know he'll give it his all though. It won't be through lack of effort.

At the moment, he is worth a list spot anyway as a backup ruck.
 
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If he has the ball kicked to his advantage, he is going to be a handful. But then again, so will any decent key position forward in the comp. Even Ben Reid, who is 195cm, showed on the weekend he can take a contested mark if the ball is kicked to his advantage.

The difference with Mason is that he doesn't have any other attributes other than his ability to compete in the air. He becomes completely useless at ground level, and barely any defensive pressure.

Compare him to someone like Charlie Dixon, who crashes packs, but also puts a lot into his defensive game.

For Cox to become a real weapon, he needs to take his contested marking game to a new stratosphere. At the moment, he competes well, but not better than most key forwards. He has to reach a point where he is basically unstoppable. That will negate his shortcomings. He also needs to get much stronger, and not be pushed off the ball so easy.

His other advantage is that he offers a genuine 2nd ruck option and he can actually be a weapon in this area.

But I would have to say the odds of him reaching these levels are very long. To his credit, I know he'll give it his all though. It won't be through lack of effort.

At the moment, he is worth a list spot anyway as a backup ruck.
He needs crumbers at his feet.
 

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If he has the ball kicked to his advantage, he is going to be a handful. But then again, so will any decent key position forward in the comp. Even Ben Reid, who is 195cm, showed on the weekend he can take a contested mark if the ball is kicked to his advantage.

The difference with Mason is that he doesn't have any other attributes other than his ability to compete in the air. He becomes completely useless at ground level, and barely any defensive pressure.

Compare him to someone like Charlie Dixon, who crashes packs, but also puts a lot into his defensive game.

For Cox to become a real weapon, he needs to take his contested marking game to a new stratosphere. At the moment, he competes well, but not better than most key forwards. He has to reach a point where he is basically unstoppable. That will negate his shortcomings. He also needs to get much stronger, and not be pushed off the ball so easy.

His other advantage is that he offers a genuine 2nd ruck option and he can actually be a weapon in this area.

But I would have to say the odds of him reaching these levels are very long. To his credit, I know he'll give it his all though. It won't be through lack of effort.

At the moment, he is worth a list spot anyway as a backup ruck.
Agree partially, you are judging Cox as THE focal point of the attack which if anything is really unfair on him, If we had another key forward and Cox became the second or third banana then you are starting to get what would be a pretty dangerous forward line.
Cox would increase his output with a little less pressure and a more cohesive team unit, We can play 3 talls up forward with one rotating through the ruck but it is probably Darcy that needs to improve his defensive capabilities which in my opinion are poor considering his athletic abilities.

Mason actually averages more tackles per game ( 2.25) than what Moore averages (1.77) and more 1% acts than Dixon and Darcy Moore.
I think there is plenty of upside and my outlook on his abilities are a bit more optimistic than some. Mason for me is a victim of a greater sum of dysfunction which is impacting his potential and his output.
 
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Mason actually averages more tackles per game ( 2.25) than what Moore averages (1.77) and more 1% acts than Dixon and Darcy Moore.
I think there is plenty of upside and my outlook on his abilities are a bit more optimistic than some. Mason for me is a victim of a greater sum of dysfunction which is impacting his potential and his output.

Maybe thats because Moore has the ability to get to the ball first and therefore doesnt need to lay the tackle quite as often.
 
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None of our players deserve this crap. Seems like there are a few people who 2010 gave the idea we had some God-given right to dominate the other 17 teams in a competition that the governing body has devised to level. It's like we are pre-fall Carlton supporters.
Sadly, the age of entitlement is upon us.
 
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