Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Well I thought he was pretty good.
Well I thought he was pretty good.
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
In summary, i think that whilst his disposal let him down at times on Saturday night at least he is getting his hands on the footy now as opposed to earlier in the year. You would expect his disposal to improve over time as he becomes more comfortable with his own role in the side and the pace of the AFL.
In summary, i think that whilst his disposal let him down at times on Saturday night at least he is getting his hands on the footy now as opposed to earlier in the year. You would expect his disposal to improve over time as he becomes more comfortable with his own role in the side and the pace of the AFL.
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
He started off badly, and panicked a lot. Seemed a lot more confident running with it and taking the game on in the second half. I think he's getting better with each game, one more pre-season and I think you'll see him start turning into the midfielder everyone hoped he would become.
He started off badly, and panicked a lot. Seemed a lot more confident running with it and taking the game on in the second half. I think he's getting better with each game, one more pre-season and I think you'll see him start turning into the midfielder everyone hoped he would become.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Spot on.
he hasnt hada full injury free pre season. All the park footy heros fail to grasp you dont play good AFL witout a string of full preseasons to build on. In season is about recovery not building fitness bases.
masten also suffered OP - I have it on solid authority that this kills kicking power - ie runnint in to 50 he will have to over kick hugely - give him time to build strength.
I agree he has shown a lack of poise on some occasions under pressure - but nothing like neon leon in his first years. he will mature.
He started off badly, and panicked a lot. Seemed a lot more confident running with it and taking the game on in the second half. I think he's getting better with each game, one more pre-season and I think you'll see him start turning into the midfielder everyone hoped he would become.
Spot on.
he hasnt hada full injury free pre season. All the park footy heros fail to grasp you dont play good AFL witout a string of full preseasons to build on. In season is about recovery not building fitness bases.
masten also suffered OP - I have it on solid authority that this kills kicking power - ie runnint in to 50 he will have to over kick hugely - give him time to build strength.
I agree he has shown a lack of poise on some occasions under pressure - but nothing like neon leon in his first years. he will mature.
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Masten2McKinley
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Masten played well amd im stocked with way he is goin. yes could improve goal kicking but he has time on his side. One more Pre Season for Masten, Ebert, Selwood and Notte and they should start playing good consitant footy. Give Notte 2 more
Masten will be a gun we will be frothing over Natia tapping it to Masten over the next 10 years
Masten played well amd im stocked with way he is goin. yes could improve goal kicking but he has time on his side. One more Pre Season for Masten, Ebert, Selwood and Notte and they should start playing good consitant footy. Give Notte 2 more
Masten will be a gun we will be frothing over Natia tapping it to Masten over the next 10 years
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
83% game time on the weekend, could be the signal that he is going to play full time midfield in the second half of the season.
83% game time on the weekend, could be the signal that he is going to play full time midfield in the second half of the season.
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
He can find it when he's there, can't he?
He can find it when he's there, can't he?
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
i think we wont learn all that much about Masten this season tbh. He has had 1 and a half pre-seasons under his belt, and still has to play a few more games of AFL before we can gauge how good he will be for us. I would expect that next season he plays round 1 with a lot more upper body strength and confidence to take the game on. Right now I think the comparisons with Fletcher are coming from him baulking out of contests. Ive seen it happen on a couple of occasions where he could go in hard but opts to stand back. But i guess we cant expect every young kid to throw himself around like Selwood.
Id say he is progressing as well as Bryce Gibbs did for Carlton, and Gibbs has taken his game to a new level for Carlton this year. Hoping for a similar improvement in Masten in 2010. His goal kicking stands out because he has missed some sitters at crucial periods of the game from directly in front, but once he believes in himself more and knows he belongs at AFL level he will start to nail those kicks on the run.
While Im on the topic of poor kickings, wtf has happened to Nicoski? I used to defend this bloke for the last 2 season but now im beginning to think he is a crab. Cant kick a football accurately over 25m to save his life. No point bombing it 55m each time to a contest either. Got the rest of this season to prove his worth or he should be gone.
i think we wont learn all that much about Masten this season tbh. He has had 1 and a half pre-seasons under his belt, and still has to play a few more games of AFL before we can gauge how good he will be for us. I would expect that next season he plays round 1 with a lot more upper body strength and confidence to take the game on. Right now I think the comparisons with Fletcher are coming from him baulking out of contests. Ive seen it happen on a couple of occasions where he could go in hard but opts to stand back. But i guess we cant expect every young kid to throw himself around like Selwood.
Id say he is progressing as well as Bryce Gibbs did for Carlton, and Gibbs has taken his game to a new level for Carlton this year. Hoping for a similar improvement in Masten in 2010. His goal kicking stands out because he has missed some sitters at crucial periods of the game from directly in front, but once he believes in himself more and knows he belongs at AFL level he will start to nail those kicks on the run.
While Im on the topic of poor kickings, wtf has happened to Nicoski? I used to defend this bloke for the last 2 season but now im beginning to think he is a crab. Cant kick a football accurately over 25m to save his life. No point bombing it 55m each time to a contest either. Got the rest of this season to prove his worth or he should be gone.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Funny you should mention that...
Pretty much. His hurt factor is just very very low at this stage...
>>>>>>>>>> Masten.
Yes. It's that hurt factor I mentioned. Cotchin can take a grab, win a hard ball, receive, deliver lace out passes from 60m away - do the lot. An almost complete midfielder. Masten is not, and will never be at that same level.
Indeed. Which is why he reminds me a lot of Schammer. Both as thick as shit, and came into the AFL with wraps as very highly skilled juniors. Both player's skills have not come with them. Both can rack up big numbers but kind of have a negligible impact on the game.
Masten may well end up better than Schammer, as Schammer may never be more than an ok mid, but the trick for these types of players is to turn them into inside mid machines. Not likely to do you a whole lot of damage in space, both panic, so keep them as first touch, clearance players. When butthead has done that, he goes all right. Masten needs to become that hardball inside mid... but his body and intensity and ability in the clinches may never be there.
Funny you should mention that...
Pretty much. His hurt factor is just very very low at this stage...
>>>>>>>>>> Masten.
Yes. It's that hurt factor I mentioned. Cotchin can take a grab, win a hard ball, receive, deliver lace out passes from 60m away - do the lot. An almost complete midfielder. Masten is not, and will never be at that same level.
Indeed. Which is why he reminds me a lot of Schammer. Both as thick as shit, and came into the AFL with wraps as very highly skilled juniors. Both player's skills have not come with them. Both can rack up big numbers but kind of have a negligible impact on the game.
Masten may well end up better than Schammer, as Schammer may never be more than an ok mid, but the trick for these types of players is to turn them into inside mid machines. Not likely to do you a whole lot of damage in space, both panic, so keep them as first touch, clearance players. When butthead has done that, he goes all right. Masten needs to become that hardball inside mid... but his body and intensity and ability in the clinches may never be there.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
You guys are seriously f*&ked for crucifying Masten this early in his career. comparisons to schammer, fletcher and what not. c'mon man schammer was seriously sh!tter and for a lot longer too and has only finally started to pull his finger out. Comparisons to Gibbs... Gibbs was tagging as a backmen most of last year and his skills are exceptional.
Masten is in a TEAM that is struggling to hit targets... it's not only him - put Cox, Nicoski, Lynch and most of our senoirs in this list also, with the exception of hurn, wirra (who is seriously unnaccountable) When a team is playing with skill levels such as ours it's gonna be catchy especially if many of our seniors are not setting the example and flying the flag so to speak. I'd be more disappointed with our seniors than the rookies & sub 20 Gamers
You guys are seriously f*&ked for crucifying Masten this early in his career. comparisons to schammer, fletcher and what not. c'mon man schammer was seriously sh!tter and for a lot longer too and has only finally started to pull his finger out. Comparisons to Gibbs... Gibbs was tagging as a backmen most of last year and his skills are exceptional.
Masten is in a TEAM that is struggling to hit targets... it's not only him - put Cox, Nicoski, Lynch and most of our senoirs in this list also, with the exception of hurn, wirra (who is seriously unnaccountable) When a team is playing with skill levels such as ours it's gonna be catchy especially if many of our seniors are not setting the example and flying the flag so to speak. I'd be more disappointed with our seniors than the rookies & sub 20 Gamers
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
You choose to compare Masten to Cotchin, that is a little unfair as Cotchin was selected at pick 2 so one would assume he was more highly regarded and unattainable by the WCE anyway so if it's just comparing then why didn't you choose Kruezer. Whats a year or two anyway compare Gibbs or Murphy if your trying to make him look bad.
I would add that Cotchin played 15 games in his first season and appears more mature in his development AT THIS STAGE.
You could have chosen Jarrad Grant who was taken at pick 5 but let me guess mmmmm he is a forward and mmmmm he has only played one game of AFL where he barely touched the ball and was sent back to the VFL to develope. How about you take the time to research all of the first round picks from the 07 draft and maybe you might have more respect for a young and impressive footballer.
Now for your comment on how clever or not Masten is..................GFY you nasty boofhead.
My turn to compare......... you to Gordon Ramsay..........big mouth, foul language and think your gods gift to mankind........hows that........summed you up about right or should I take the time to read more of your posts before I insult you on a public forum.
At this stage...........correct, with strength, confidence and maturity Masten has shown numerous glimpses of his talent. Masten reads the play very well which is why he is getting so much of the footy in his hands. He could be using the ball better but he will be very very good in time.
You choose to compare Masten to Cotchin, that is a little unfair as Cotchin was selected at pick 2 so one would assume he was more highly regarded and unattainable by the WCE anyway so if it's just comparing then why didn't you choose Kruezer. Whats a year or two anyway compare Gibbs or Murphy if your trying to make him look bad.
I would add that Cotchin played 15 games in his first season and appears more mature in his development AT THIS STAGE.
You could have chosen Jarrad Grant who was taken at pick 5 but let me guess mmmmm he is a forward and mmmmm he has only played one game of AFL where he barely touched the ball and was sent back to the VFL to develope. How about you take the time to research all of the first round picks from the 07 draft and maybe you might have more respect for a young and impressive footballer.
Now for your comment on how clever or not Masten is..................GFY you nasty boofhead.
My turn to compare......... you to Gordon Ramsay..........big mouth, foul language and think your gods gift to mankind........hows that........summed you up about right or should I take the time to read more of your posts before I insult you on a public forum.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Chops, you are probably the first Freo fan I have seen that admits Schammer is an okay mid, according to some, he can be elite.
Chops, you are probably the first Freo fan I have seen that admits Schammer is an okay mid, according to some, he can be elite.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Masten is shit. His skills are no better than Palmer's and he's less prolific. Bad mistake woodhouse, the godson should be a docker. Would have been nice if Rich was available in the 07 draft...
Masten is shit. His skills are no better than Palmer's and he's less prolific. Bad mistake woodhouse, the godson should be a docker. Would have been nice if Rich was available in the 07 draft...
Snooperclyde
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
...or we had the first 10 picks in the draft or Johnathan Brown and Buddy Franklin walked into the club asking for a game on reduced salaries...this is the talk of shit is it not.
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Anyone actually want to pull your fingers out of your bumhole and someone actually prove there point with stats and facts. Disposal efficiency for the year would be a good start guys
Anyone actually want to pull your fingers out of your bumhole and someone actually prove there point with stats and facts. Disposal efficiency for the year would be a good start guys
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
And both thick as shit. It's true. Both are cretins off the field, and panic on it. Only one turns violent off the field, however.
As opposed to the other comparison we are always reminded of.
And both thick as shit. It's true. Both are cretins off the field, and panic on it. Only one turns violent off the field, however.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
You can't get to that higher level without good skills and or decisions.
It's 50/50 whether Masten can overcome that.
Moo is of the same mind as well.Chops, you are probably the first Freo fan I have seen that admits Schammer is an okay mid, according to some, he can be elite.
You can't get to that higher level without good skills and or decisions.
It's 50/50 whether Masten can overcome that.
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Personally I think Palmer is pretty much Chad Fletcher.
Can run all day, kicks are shithouse and he has a bad haircut.
Masten can spot a target up by foot, just needs to work on his finishing skills in front of goal.
As usual, we have recruited far, far better than Freo.
Personally I think Palmer is pretty much Chad Fletcher.
Can run all day, kicks are shithouse and he has a bad haircut.
Masten can spot a target up by foot, just needs to work on his finishing skills in front of goal.
As usual, we have recruited far, far better than Freo.
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Masten disposal efficiency is the same as Palmers over his career. And i mean EXACTLY the same. HOWEVER Mastens handballing efficiency when compared to his kicking is shocking. Averages a little over 50% for handball efficiency which is deplorable but his kicking is about 75% effectiveness. Overall disposal efficiency of 68% and 65 for the season. However when you take out the hospital handballs he and his teammates are experts at its 75%.
Nick Suban who is seen as dead eye dick by Freo fans kicking efficiency is under 60% however his handballs are okay and that puts him on 65% overall disposal efficiency, the same as Masten
Masten disposal efficiency is the same as Palmers over his career. And i mean EXACTLY the same. HOWEVER Mastens handballing efficiency when compared to his kicking is shocking. Averages a little over 50% for handball efficiency which is deplorable but his kicking is about 75% effectiveness. Overall disposal efficiency of 68% and 65 for the season. However when you take out the hospital handballs he and his teammates are experts at its 75%.
Nick Suban who is seen as dead eye dick by Freo fans kicking efficiency is under 60% however his handballs are okay and that puts him on 65% overall disposal efficiency, the same as Masten
Snooperclyde
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Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
Of the other young on-ballers
Butler 15.33D, 3.3T, 2.5M, Ebert 14D, 3.4T, 4.1M, Cockie 12D, 3.7T, 2M, JMac 14D, 3.6T, 2.4M, Swift 12D, 1T, 2.7M, Scooter 14D, 1.8T, 2.8M.
Masten measures up OK
Stenglein 15.1D, 4.1T, 3.5, Kerr 20.2D, 2.7T, 0.6M
Masten looks even better.
Masten has 3 goals and 8 points so would and should be a lot better, also on three goals are Rosa, Wirra, Priddis, Hurn and Brown. Non of them have had as many shots on goal.
Non of the other young on-ballers mentioned above have kicked more than 2 goals.
Summary = Masten has been playing very well and when he gets his shit together with a little bit of confidence he will be much better.
Masten average 17.8 disposals, 2.5 tackles and 2.4 marks per game.
Of the other young on-ballers
Butler 15.33D, 3.3T, 2.5M, Ebert 14D, 3.4T, 4.1M, Cockie 12D, 3.7T, 2M, JMac 14D, 3.6T, 2.4M, Swift 12D, 1T, 2.7M, Scooter 14D, 1.8T, 2.8M.
Masten measures up OK
Stenglein 15.1D, 4.1T, 3.5, Kerr 20.2D, 2.7T, 0.6M
Masten looks even better.
Masten has 3 goals and 8 points so would and should be a lot better, also on three goals are Rosa, Wirra, Priddis, Hurn and Brown. Non of them have had as many shots on goal.
Non of the other young on-ballers mentioned above have kicked more than 2 goals.
Summary = Masten has been playing very well and when he gets his shit together with a little bit of confidence he will be much better.
Re: Masten = The New Chad Fletcher?
And on cue. The floginess is refuted again.
Not by me. Horrifically over rated. So where does that leave Masten?
As opposed to the other comparison we are always reminded of.
And on cue. The floginess is refuted again.
Not by me. Horrifically over rated. So where does that leave Masten?
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You must be the only one. Ive heard commentators too like Walls creaming over his raking left foot.
Either way it leaves Masten ahead of Suban and Palmer still in kicking efficiency. Once you take handballs out of Mastens general disposal efficiency hes 10% ahead of both Suban and Palmer.
You must be the only one. Ive heard commentators too like Walls creaming over his raking left foot.
Either way it leaves Masten ahead of Suban and Palmer still in kicking efficiency. Once you take handballs out of Mastens general disposal efficiency hes 10% ahead of both Suban and Palmer.