Master class - JUDD

[geelong_boy]

What some - including Walls - have to realise is that the behaviour of the Cats and Ablett last Saturday was in response to the shocking attention Ablett received when the two teams played in Perth earlier in the year.

Now there's acceptable tagging (eg. Ling) and unacceptable tagging, the perfect example being Crowley the last time the two teams played. The Cats had obviously decided that they weren't gonna stand for it and good on 'em. So they gave a bit back.

As has been pointed out, Ablett has been outstanding at breaking tags this year, but his team mates though won't let anyone excessively niggle him.

 

[BigBadCam]

What? Robert Walls is pro Carlton? Never would have guessed. He's always struck me as such a neutral observer of the game!

 

[WeAreHatedAgain]

I found it interesting that Ablett had 66 supercoach points at half time and didn't reappear after the break

He finished with 81

See..... he can do anything

 

[Asty]

I found it interesting that Ablett had 66 supercoach points at half time and didn't reappear after the break

He finished with 81

See..... he can do anything

Sympathy points for having to sit on the bench freezing for an hour

 

[dtsheist]

Ablett was trying to get the umpire's attention on the weekend, and rightly so with crowley evidently using illegal tactics in his 'tag'. Aside from this game, as others have said, Ablett has been getting on with the job this year more than ever and has hardly said boo to the umpires from what i have seen. Now Walls trying to make it out as a regular occurence is just stupid.

I liken it to a lot of media analysts only looking at Geelong's results earlier in the year and going 'oh they are in as good a form as last year', when clearly we were not, and it took OUR OWN players and coaches to say that we weren't playing that well for columnists to start changing their tune. FFS do some research before writing something that isn't true, isn't that what they are paid to do?

 

[And_ROOS]

The only time Ablett yelled at the umpire was when he was picking himself up off the ground 50 odd metres off the ball, which i think MOST players would do.

But if it was Judd being put down off the ball and chatting to the umpires, Walls would be all over the opposition.

Class 1 jackass.

 

[Hood007]

It baffles me that many people seem to be missing Walls' point.

He hasn't questioned Ablett's output he has questioned his ability to handle tags without responding and letting a little bit of niggle get to him. He basically says that Judd is better at ignoring the attention and getting on with the job

And the point that most in here are making is that it shouldn't matter what Gaz does, because he's still producing the results regardless. As someone said, he had 13 touches and a goal halfway through the 2nd and was looking increasingly dangerous as the game went on. I'd call that getting on with the job, wouldn't you?
There's more than one way to deal with a tag and Gary isn't the first player to have his teammates protect him. God forbid someone handles it differently to Judd.
The better question is why doesn't Judd's teammates look after him like our boys do for Gaz...

 

[Fright Knight]

And the point that most in here are making is that it shouldn't matter what Gaz does, because he's still producing the results regardless. As someone said, he had 13 touches and a goal halfway through the 2nd and was looking increasingly dangerous as the game went on. I'd call that getting on with the job, wouldn't you?
There's more than one way to deal with a tag and Gary isn't the first player to have his teammates protect him. God forbid someone handles it differently to Judd.
The better question is why doesn't Judd's teammates look after him like our boys do for Gaz...

Maybe Carlton's philosophy is anything that comes from West Coast isn't worth shit

 

[winty]

I wonder if Walls saw any of the West Coast - Carlton game a few weeks ago. Didn't seem Judd took too kindly to the attention he was receiving from Adam Selwood in that particular game. But according to Walls he takes any attention the taggers give him in his stride and just gets on with it.

Shouldn't be surprised that he has taken the opportunity to have a pot shot at Geelong though, and Ablett in particular. After all, Walls was coaching Brisbane when we broke the record score, and Gaz's old man kicked 9 in that game. Not surprising the guy's still a bit bitter.

 

[iameviljez]

It baffles me that many people seem to be missing Walls' point.

He hasn't questioned Ablett's output he has questioned his ability to handle tags without responding and letting a little bit of niggle get to him. He basically says that Judd is better at ignoring the attention and getting on with the job

As I was reading the article, I was thinking that a lot of Geelong supporters are going to flame him on this site for what he wrote, but, to be honest, if you read what he actually says instead of going in just to bat for Geelong he actually makes some fairly good points.

He doesn't ever suggest that Ablett can't handle tags full stop, or that he doesn't work hard. He just makes an excellent point that Judd doesn't have the same escape clauses from a tag that Ablett does (ie dragging opponents to the square, getting Stevie J and Milburn in to help out) and that Ablett is still learning how to deal with a hard and nasty tag in that respect. He also makes the point that Ablett isn't YET the leader that Judd is (also true). I don't think he's talking either of them down or missing some of the things that Ablett does better than Judd. I know I'm Robinson Crusoe here, but I actually thought it was a fairly constructive and well-thought out article that shows where the form player in the competition can actually improve.

 

[Big Nasty]

As I was reading the article, I was thinking that a lot of Geelong supporters are going to flame him on this site for what he wrote, but, to be honest, if you read what he actually says instead of going in just to bat for Geelong he actually makes some fairly good points.

He doesn't ever suggest that Ablett can't handle tags full stop, or that he doesn't work hard. He just makes an excellent point that Judd doesn't have the same escape clauses from a tag that Ablett does (ie dragging opponents to the square, getting Stevie J and Milburn in to help out) and that Ablett is still learning how to deal with a hard and nasty tag in that respect. He also makes the point that Ablett isn't YET the leader that Judd is (also true). I don't think he's talking either of them down or missing some of the things that Ablett does better than Judd. I know I'm Robinson Crusoe here, but I actually thought it was a fairly constructive and well-thought out article that shows where the form player in the competition can actually improve.

Maybe thats cause Abletts dangerous in the forwardline & Chris Judd isn't.

 

[iameviljez]

Maybe thats cause Abletts dangerous in the forwardline & Chris Judd isn't.

Don't kid yourself, Judd could win games from half-forward as well. I won't deny that Ablett's better overhead and his goalsense is Chappyesque but the reason why Judd doesn't go forward isn't because he's useless there, but because Carlton would get monstered without him in the middle.

 

[DanA]

Don't kid yourself, Judd could win games from half-forward as well. I won't deny that Ablett's better overhead and his goalsense is Chappyesque but the reason why Judd doesn't go forward isn't because he's useless there, but because Carlton would get monstered without him in the middle.

I'm sure he could be a good player up forward but it is unproven. In fact when he has played forward he has been relatively ineffective. However there were extenuating circumstances.

Fact of the matter is that in Judd's best year he kicked 24 goals. That's very good for a midfeilder but Ablett has never seen such a measly return. Why? Because he is a proven goal kicker up forward and Judd isn't.

 

[Vegas.]

And could Ablett have done for Carlton what Judd has? No.

I found this the funniest of all. What exactly has Judd done for Carlton that Ablett couldn't have? Lead them to another bottom 8 finish, losing important games and going missing when it counts?

Hell, Ablett could do that without even turning up.

 

[burto]

I found this the funniest of all. What exactly has Judd done for Carlton that Ablett couldn't have? Lead them to another bottom 8 finish, losing important games and going missing when it counts?

Hell, Ablett could do that without even turning up.

Yep. I actually think most Carlton fans would prefer Ablett at the moment over Judd. Ablett, in my opinion, would get them more memberships and publicity than Judd has. He is the Son of God ffs.

 

[Hodgepodge]

And he says he's not biased towards Carlton. When you write article about how a player in a team you barrack for didn't get any votes in the Herald-Sun, well you're biased.

 

[Brasil2007]

A few weeks ago Walls was going on about how no WCE player came in support Staker when he got smacked... but apparently the Cats shouldn't support Ablett.

As for Ablett not handling a tag well... hmmmn, well enough people have gone over that. Utter rubbish.

Judd stiffed the Eagles to make sure he got the deal that suited him. Great role model.

 

[Azzurri Blues]

As I was reading the article, I was thinking that a lot of Geelong supporters are going to flame him on this site for what he wrote, but, to be honest, if you read what he actually says instead of going in just to bat for Geelong he actually makes some fairly good points.

He doesn't ever suggest that Ablett can't handle tags full stop, or that he doesn't work hard. He just makes an excellent point that Judd doesn't have the same escape clauses from a tag that Ablett does (ie dragging opponents to the square, getting Stevie J and Milburn in to help out) and that Ablett is still learning how to deal with a hard and nasty tag in that respect. He also makes the point that Ablett isn't YET the leader that Judd is (also true). I don't think he's talking either of them down or missing some of the things that Ablett does better than Judd. I know I'm Robinson Crusoe here, but I actually thought it was a fairly constructive and well-thought out article that shows where the form player in the competition can actually improve.

we have a winner... good post

 

[Big Nasty]

How did ya Judd go with the taggers today Wallsy.

 

[jimmy.h]

How did ya Judd go with the taggers today Wallsy.

Only 1 touch more than Gaz managed last week in less than half a game.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

As I was reading the article, I was thinking that a lot of Geelong supporters are going to flame him on this site for what he wrote, but, to be honest, if you read what he actually says instead of going in just to bat for Geelong he actually makes some fairly good points.

He doesn't ever suggest that Ablett can't handle tags full stop, or that he doesn't work hard. He just makes an excellent point that Judd doesn't have the same escape clauses from a tag that Ablett does (ie dragging opponents to the square, getting Stevie J and Milburn in to help out) and that Ablett is still learning how to deal with a hard and nasty tag in that respect. He also makes the point that Ablett isn't YET the leader that Judd is (also true). I don't think he's talking either of them down or missing some of the things that Ablett does better than Judd. I know I'm Robinson Crusoe here, but I actually thought it was a fairly constructive and well-thought out article that shows where the form player in the competition can actually improve.

That doesn't mean anything. Is he saying that because Judd can't do it, Ablett shouldn't? Just because he's able to try things like this, doesn't mean he can't handle any sort of tag.

 

[LifeSpan-Void]

How did ya Judd go with the taggers today Wallsy.

listen he only got 14 touches because he only WANTED 14 touches ok? jesus get a clue don't you know anything about football?