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He's good at the physical stuff yeah. Not damaging though as yet, which is where we know he should be.

So is Clayton Oliver who everyone is "fapping" over damaging enough??

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralph-picks-his-2017-allaustralian-side-and-looks-at-the-toughest-positions-to-predict/news-story/5329a6eaf8346476b798a5ac0469939e

Oliver’s stats are stunning — 30 touches a game (Viney 23), 16 contested possessions (Viney 12), seven clearances (Viney 6).

The problem is so much of it is in close — he averages 8 kicks and 22 handballs, only 180 metres gained and has the fourth-lowest metres gained of the top 20 mids.

So what he needs are more games like last week’s 12 inside-50, 12-clearance games to be recognised externally.

Those who have watched every Melbourne game say Oliver would be leading the Demons b-and-f from Michael Hibberd, with Viney well back.
 

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So is Clayton Oliver who everyone is "fapping" over damaging enough??

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralph-picks-his-2017-allaustralian-side-and-looks-at-the-toughest-positions-to-predict/news-story/5329a6eaf8346476b798a5ac0469939e

Oliver’s stats are stunning — 30 touches a game (Viney 23), 16 contested possessions (Viney 12), seven clearances (Viney 6).

The problem is so much of it is in close — he averages 8 kicks and 22 handballs, only 180 metres gained and has the fourth-lowest metres gained of the top 20 mids.

So what he needs are more games like last week’s 12 inside-50, 12-clearance games to be recognised externally.

Those who have watched every Melbourne game say Oliver would be leading the Demons b-and-f from Michael Hibberd, with Viney well back.
And he's still only 19 years old with a nice a bit of mongrel about him. Doubt he'd want to leave Melbourne though and doubt Melbourne would even consider him as part of a trade.
 

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So is Clayton Oliver who everyone is "fapping" over damaging enough??

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/jon-ralph/jon-ralph-picks-his-2017-allaustralian-side-and-looks-at-the-toughest-positions-to-predict/news-story/5329a6eaf8346476b798a5ac0469939e

Oliver’s stats are stunning — 30 touches a game (Viney 23), 16 contested possessions (Viney 12), seven clearances (Viney 6).

The problem is so much of it is in close — he averages 8 kicks and 22 handballs, only 180 metres gained and has the fourth-lowest metres gained of the top 20 mids.

So what he needs are more games like last week’s 12 inside-50, 12-clearance games to be recognised externally.

Those who have watched every Melbourne game say Oliver would be leading the Demons b-and-f from Michael Hibberd, with Viney well back.
I don't think I understand your point?
 

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And he's still only 19 years old with a nice a bit of mongrel about him. Doubt he'd want to leave Melbourne though and doubt Melbourne would even consider him as part of a trade.
The point I was making is re the "damage/hurt" factor for one touted so high??

Averaging 180 metres gained a match is very, very average even for a mid as is his handball to kick ratio. 20 years old as of last month.

I.e. last week 33 Disposals - 6 Kicks - 27 handballs
 

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The point I was making is re the "damage/hurt" factor for one touted so high??

Averaging 180 metres gained a match is very, very average even for a mid as is his handball to kick ratio. 20 years old as of last month.

I.e. last week 33 Disposals - 6 Kicks - 27 handballs
Clayton Oliver and Matt Crouch at stoppages would allow Sloane or B. Crouch to have a more productive outside role.

He is a gun distributor, his handball skills are elite.
 

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I don't think I understand your point?
He's good at the physical stuff yeah. Not damaging though as yet, which is where we know he should be.
Do you think the much talked up Clayton Oliver has this "damage/hurt" factor any more than Brad when he's only averaging 180 metres gained per game?
 

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Clayton Oliver and Matt Crouch at stoppages would allow Sloane or B. Crouch to have a more productive outside role.

He is a gun distributor, his handball skills are elite.
How to miss the point...

Don't know why you're bringing in Oliver to this in regards to playing in our midfield, it's all about the mystical "damage/hurt" factor.
 

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How to miss the point...

Don't know why you're bringing in Oliver to this in regards to playing in our midfield, it's all about the mystical "damage/hurt" factor.
Whoops thought this was the trade thread because he was also being discussed there.

In any case, meters gained is only one measure of how damaging a player is
 

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Do you think the much talked up Clayton Oliver has this "damage/hurt" factor any more than Brad when he's only averaging 180 metres gained per game?
From the games that I've seen, yes but only marginally.

Not sure why you're bringing him into it. He's in his second year, if course the media will fap.

I think Brad will get there. He lacks confidence imo. Puts it on the boot too quickly.
 

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The point I was making is re the "damage/hurt" factor for one touted so high??

Averaging 180 metres gained a match is very, very average even for a mid as is his handball to kick ratio. 20 years old as of last month.

I.e. last week 33 Disposals - 6 Kicks - 27 handballs
Yep
 

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From the games that I've seen, yes but only marginally.

Not sure why you're bringing him into it. He's in his second year, if course the media will fap.

I think Brad will get there. He lacks confidence imo. Puts it on the boot too quickly.
Brad is averaging 317 metres gained per game this year, Oliver 184
 

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The point I was making is re the "damage/hurt" factor for one touted so high??

Averaging 180 metres gained a match is very, very average even for a mid as is his handball to kick ratio. 20 years old as of last month.

I.e. last week 33 Disposals - 6 Kicks - 27 handballs
Would be interested to see his stats for assisted metres gained. Matt is apparently 6th in the AFL in that stat.
 

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The point I was making is re the "damage/hurt" factor for one touted so high??

Averaging 180 metres gained a match is very, very average even for a mid as is his handball to kick ratio. 20 years old as of last month.

I.e. last week 33 Disposals - 6 Kicks - 27 handballs
But he's Victorian and cute as a button with his locks. First picked in the AA squad for sure.
 

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From the games that I've seen, yes but only marginally.

Not sure why you're bringing him into it. He's in his second year, if course the media will fap.

I think Brad will get there. He lacks confidence imo. Puts it on the boot too quickly.
Yep, it's a bit like the old cliche, no falls, no balls. You don't reach your maximum unless you have a few failures by taking on a bit too much. Brad needs to do this, he needs to get caught holding the ball a couple of times per game. If he did, he'd be much more damaging the many times he thought he would get caught, but didn't.
 

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Rule out Petracca, rule out Oliver, they simply won't be traded to Adelaide
And with that attitude the Bulldogs shoudl have ruled out Boyd.

If they want Lever they have to pay the price.

They have to give fair value and we've got to stand up for ourselves on that.
 

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Brad is averaging 317 metres gained per game this year, Oliver 184
To me that's kind of like the kicking efficiency stat, which says Matt crouch has gone backwards with his kicking this year. One of those stats where if you watch the actually game and you will see it differently imo.
 

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Are we talking about getting Petracca or Oliver in a Leaver trade?

Ain't gonna happen. Melbourne wouldn't be paying the farm for Leaver only to give up a gun mid. They want to win the flag.

More likely they'll bring in a 3rd club who wants picks and has a player in their prime we can get. Probably Gibbs if we're honest.
 

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To me that's kind of like the kicking efficiency stat, which says Matt crouch has gone backwards with his kicking this year. One of those stats where if you watch the actually game and you will see it differently imo.
OK

In 22 matches last year Matt gained 5,481 metres, already this year in 18 matches he's gained 6,286 metres, perhaps that indicates he's going longer and taking more risks with his kicks?
 

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I don't think I've ever been more wrong about a player than I was about Matt Crouch immediately after he was drafted.

My initial thoughts were that'd we burnt another first round pick.

Now, I feel he's the player most responsible for our performance this year. Every week, he is so dependable at the contest and his kicking and spread just gets better and better and better.

When it rains, he, Sloane and Brad just bring their own footys; it's no wonder our two most dominant performances this year have been in torrential downpours.

Tom Mitchell gets a lot of love in AFL circles for Hawthorn's recent revival, but I have Matt as a peg above along with Zach Merrett as the best emerging inside prime movers.
 

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Just came here to post that as well

saw it this morning when getting a coffee - didn't realise he was up that high
 

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And with that attitude the Bulldogs shoudl have ruled out Boyd.

If they want Lever they have to pay the price.

They have to give fair value and we've got to stand up for ourselves on that.
Agreed. We just can't accept an unders pick with a steak knives average player that may be a list clogger. Either figure out a way to give is an early first or part with one of your gun mids.
 
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