Opinion Matt Priddis discussion.

[kranky al]

But no massive thread with 30+ pages this year

Priddis was hardly ineffective yesterday . him and shuey pretty much won us that game from a midfield point of view

Priddis hasn't had a game as bad as wellingham yesterday or wellingham vs Geelong .
Yeo has been terrible this year every tough game he goes missing .
Priddis may have poor disposal some times usually when under the pump but he doesn't go missing when things get tough .

Mate if yeo played 90% of his game through the guts week in week out and ****ed up as much as priddis does id be hating on him.

Priddis gets first use of the ball - cant you see the difference between last year where his disposal was good to this where hes back to hp to feet - can you not see that?

Last year the coaching staff minimised his downside defensively (nn helps that a lot too as hes a defensive beast around the contest). He in turn played the role of extractor and then absorbing one or more players as he got it out to a shuey/ yeo / whoever who can run and kick.

This year hes back to demanding handpasses of better ball users instead of using his immense strength to shepherd and block. Hes too ******* slow a) footskills wise and b) decision making wise to be doing this.

I cant remember seeing him block this year.

 

[avishka5]

I have been on the phasing priddis bandwagon but saturday just highlighted how much we would miss him without a proper replacement. Other than shuey we had no one to to dig in and win the hard ball. If the deck was dry and it didnt rain, we might have won by a bit more but saturday just highlighted our lack of quality contested ball winners and the lack of players that are willing to get down and dirty.

 

[new breed]

I have been on the phasing priddis bandwagon but saturday just highlighted how much we would miss him without a proper replacement. Other than shuey we had no one to to dig in and win the hard ball. If the deck was dry and it didnt rain, we might have won by a bit more but saturday just highlighted our lack of quality contested ball winners and the lack of players that are willing to get down and dirty.

Agree Pridda and Shuey saved our season on Saturday ( whats left of it anyway) .

Melbourne have a very classy midfield though so for us to win that game was a bonus.

 

[kranky al]

I have been on the phasing priddis bandwagon but saturday just highlighted how much we would miss him without a proper replacement. Other than shuey we had no one to to dig in and win the hard ball. If the deck was dry and it didnt rain, we might have won by a bit more but saturday just highlighted our lack of quality contested ball winners and the lack of players that are willing to get down and dirty.

Any other team : newly drafted mid plays increasing minutes in the midfield whilst older midfielder moves to a forward flank / hbf and progressively spends more time there. (See: Luke hodge and sam mitchell)

Eagles : priddis spends 100% of tog in midfield - 90% game time.


Think back to when shuey and scooter were young up and comers and they sucked and we kept playing them and they sucked and we kept playing them and then scooter won club champion and now shuey is our best mid.

Since them we have hff'ed our young mids and expected them to magically be good enough to become mids - and they dont surprise surprise - they do however, leave us and become full time mids for other teams.

Look at other teams and see what they do - then look at us. Look at geelong and jimmy bartel.

One of these things is not like the other

nows time to play our game - its time to play our game bah rup arup pah pah


We cant play priddis anywhere else.

He had a good day on the weekend - but how many times has it rained this year.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Err, Shuey never sucked. He was robbed of the rising star in his first full season.

 

[kranky al]

Err, Shuey never sucked. He was robbed of the rising star in his first full season.

Shuey was injured all the time - didnt stop us playing him AS A MID when he did play

 

[new breed]

Any other team : newly drafted mid plays increasing minutes in the midfield whilst older midfielder moves to a forward flank / hbf and progressively spends more time there. (See: Luke hodge and sam mitchell)

Eagles : priddis spends 100% of tog in midfield - 90% game time.


Think back to when shuey and scooter were young up and comers and they sucked and we kept playing them and they sucked and we kept playing them and then scooter won club champion and now shuey is our best mid.

Since them we have hff'ed our young mids and expected them to magically be good enough to become mids - and they dont surprise surprise - they do however, leave us and become full time mids for other teams.

Look at other teams and see what they do - then look at us. Look at geelong and jimmy bartel.

One of these things is not like the other

nows time to play our game - its time to play our game bah rup arup pah pah


We cant play priddis anywhere else.

He had a good day on the weekend - but how many times has it rained this year.

Nah

Saturdays game we got games experience into Nelson and Duggan in midfield roles with Nelson running with Jones at times.

All good experience for the future !

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Shuey was injured all the time - didnt stop us playing him AS A MID when he did play

When did he suck though?

 

[Eaglemaniac]

Priddis was good in the first quarter on the weekend, but dont get sucked in and believe that he's not the problem in most games. It was wet on the weekend which brings everyone else down to his level, so his get ball, bomb ball was perfect for the conditions. As soon as things cleared up he got ran past by the opposition again and we were one down in the clearances if he didnt get the ball. What was worse was when we tapped straight to him in the centre bounce and he's so slow that two Demons players just jumped on him and the ball went nowhere. We need to phase him out asap and use sheed, nelson, redden, duggan, cole, yeo, adamson etc through the middle to see what we've got to work with. Then we need to use some of our oodles of cash and lure a good youngish mid whos coming out of contract like Prestia/Sidebottom etc (whoever is the best available that will bolster our midfield) before our good forwards and backs are too old.

 

[Biggie]

When did he suck though?

Struth that's a bit personal

 

[kranky al]

When did he suck though?

When he didnt play - which was a lot of the time

We didnt hff him to death when he did play.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

"We kept playing them and they sucked and we kept playing them" but Shuey only sucked when he didn't play?

The year Shuey played 6 games around his injuries (2010) we pretty much played him off a flank in those 6 games. The following year he played every game, predominantly as a midfielder.

 

[kranky al]

"We kept playing them and they sucked and we kept playing them" but Shuey only sucked when he didn't play?

The year Shuey played 6 games around his injuries (2010) we pretty much played him off a flank in those 6 games. The following year he played every game, predominantly as a midfielder.

Ok fivey - you got me.

care to address the actual thrust of the post rather than nitpick around the edges.

Here it is for you.


The most successful teams of the last ten years actively plan successions. Their best mids are played on foward/ back flanks increasingly as their replacements play increasing minutes in the midfield.

We cannot do this - we have a player that either plays midfield or bench

This is hurting our mids development. It has been for a long time.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

His versatility (or lack thereof) is an issue, absolutely.

There's room for mids to play in the guts though. Shuey was in there from game 7 onwards. Sheed was in there full time last year. Duggan's spent a fair amount of time in there this year. Nelson is starting to, after being a defender for the first year and a half of his career.

 

[kranky al]

His versatility (or lack thereof) is an issue, absolutely.

There's room for mids to play in the guts though. Shuey was in there from game 7 onwards. Sheed was in there full time last year. Duggan's spent a fair amount of time in there this year. Nelson is starting to, after being a defender for the first year and a half of his career.

Yeos midfield minutes have gone right down. Probably due to redden being in the team.

We havnt even rested priddis when he was clearly hampered by injury and we were playing spuds at home - perfect time to get serious midfield minutes into young guys. To add insult to injury priddis was awful in those games.

Wt actual f

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Priddis' minutes have gone down as well this year. 83.4% down from 87.2% last year.

Add that to the lack of coaches votes and his decline from last year seems to be getting recognized, albeit not as quickly and dramatically as some would hope.

 

[Eagleboy68]

I have been on the phasing priddis bandwagon but saturday just highlighted how much we would miss him without a proper replacement. Other than shuey we had no one to to dig in and win the hard ball. If the deck was dry and it didnt rain, we might have won by a bit more but saturday just highlighted our lack of quality contested ball winners and the lack of players that are willing to get down and dirty.

This is an interesting thought that I see repeated in here quite a bit and probably one of the sticking points of the reason to keep him.

Let's examine this because it is a moot point.

In the past without priddis we won three premierships and played in many finals series.
Why? Because the coaching staff didn't have priddis and played to what strengths they had at the time and recruited the best mids available.
Necessity is the mother of inventions.
The coaching staff will have to play their best mids available. If priddis was injured with an lti this week we would HAVE to find a way to play to the strengths of the mids that are available.
This argument is inferring that when priddis retires we will never win another game of football and it is one in which you have to have a Chrystal ball view to make.
We play a very contested brand of football and this is due mainly because priddis' main strength is contested footy.

We have won 5 games without nic natanui with some of the rucks lycett and Giles played against being AA quality. Some of us wondered if we would win a game without him but the coaching staff came up with a game plan to work around this.

Without priddis we would have to find a way to make it work.
With priddis we have to find a way to make it work as they did last year and I don't think it's working as well.

 

[kranky al]

Are we going to win a premiership this year? Nope

Is player x going to be a part of our next premiership? Nope

Hawthorn and Geelong - move him on


Eagles - hes the only one who gets it

 

[kranky al]

This is an interesting thought that I see repeated in here quite a bit and probably one of the sticking points of the reason to keep him.

Let's examine this because it is a moot point.

In the past without priddis we won three premierships and played in many finals series.
Why? Because the coaching staff didn't have priddis and played to what strengths they had at the time and recruited the best mids available.
Necessity is the mother of inventions.
The coaching staff will have to play their best mids available. If priddis was injured with an lti this week we would HAVE to find a way to check very his strengths or play to the mids that are available.
This argument is inferring that when priddis retires we will never win another game of football and it is one in which you have to have a Chrystal ball view to make.
We play a very contested brand of football and this is due mainly because priddis' main strength is contested footy.

We have won 5 games without nic natanui with some of the rucks lycett and Giles played against being AA quality. Some of us wondered if we would win a game without him but the coaching staff came up with a game plan to work around this.

Without priddis we would have to find a way to make it work.
With priddis we have to find a way to make it work as they did last year and I don't think it's working as well.

We have won 100% of our games without priddis.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

This is an interesting thought that I see repeated in here quite a bit and probably one of the sticking points of the reason to keep him.

Let's examine this because it is a moot point.

In the past without priddis we won three premierships and played in many finals series.
Why? Because the coaching staff didn't have priddis and played to what strengths they had at the time and recruited the best mids available.

We didn't have Priddis for those premierships, we just had to make do with midfields of Matera/Kemp/Mainwaring/Pyke and Cousins/Judd/Kerr/Fletcher/Embley instead.

With or without Priddis we don't have a midfield anywhere near the calibre of those.

 

[frenchconnection]

I have been on the phasing priddis bandwagon but saturday just highlighted how much we would miss him without a proper replacement. Other than shuey we had no one to to dig in and win the hard ball. If the deck was dry and it didnt rain, we might have won by a bit more but saturday just highlighted our lack of quality contested ball winners and the lack of players that are willing to get down and dirty.

Yes due to the conditions they should have kept McGinnitty (or Hutchy) as they were the type you need in the wet. Not sure what the weather forecast was at the time of selection though. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Didn't really mind the changes at the time but when the weather came in bad thought why oh why didn't we leave one of Paddy or Hutchy in?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We have won 100% of our games without priddis.

Going back how far?

 

[Eagleboy68]

We didn't have Priddis for those premierships, we just had to make do with midfields of Matera/Kemp/Mainwaring/Pyke and Cousins/Judd/Kerr/Fletcher/Embley instead.

With or without Priddis we don't have a midfield anywhere near the calibre of those.

Well that is my point.
We don't know if we will unearth another kemp or cousins until they play in the midfield.
We know what we have though as he plays there every week.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Yes due to the conditions they should have kept McGinnitty (or Hutchy) as they were the type you need in the wet. Not sure what the weather forecast was at the time of selection though. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Didn't really mind the changes at the time but when the weather came in bad thought why oh why didn't we leave one of Paddy or Hutchy in?

I think Simmo said in the post-match they were only expecting a mm of rain and weren't expecting it to be the real wet-weather game we ended up with.

I think there might have been a few changes including Giles out for Brown.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Well that is my point.
We don't know if we will unearth another kemp or cousins until they play in the midfield.
We know what we have though as he plays there every week.

I think the match committee knew what they had with Cuz pretty early on. Yet he played predominantly forward his first couple of years as well...