Matt Rendell situation thread # 4

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The problem I have with your theory Carl, is that he didn't just shop the story to one journalist (his 'mate' Thomas), he also went to Caro and one other (can't recall now). They both called Neeld or Davey to verify the story and couldn't, so they didn't run with it. Thommo clearly didn't do verification. Davey apparently went to Mifsud after Thomas ran his story and said "Do we need to call him and set him straight?" - if that is the case, Mifsud definitely misrepresented what Davey told him.

Is that right?

I thought the other journos got the lead from Thommo's article. I didn't think they got it straight from Misfud?

Checked it out, decided not to run with it... or so they say. As a journo the only thing you can do when you are second to a story is to discredit it.

 

[Paladin]

Is that right?

I thought the other journos got the lead from Thommo's article. I didn't think they got it straight from Misfud?

Checked it out, decided not to run with it... or so they say. As a journo the only thing you can do when you are second to a story is to discredit it.

Caro and a few others had it 3 weeks before Grants article.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Caro and a few others had it 3 weeks before Grants article.

Oh, ok.

 

[Mattrox]

Haven't checked in for a few days. But....

The more I think about it, the more the official explanation of Mifsud v Davey stinks. If indeed there was a misunderstanding by Mifsud re Davey, do you think there is a remote possibility that he may infact have misunderstood Rendell, or Ali Fahour misunderstood.....??

 

[jenny61_99]

Haven't checked in for a few days. But....

The more I think about it, the more the official explanation of Mifsud v Davey stinks. If indeed there was a misunderstanding by Mifsud re Davey, do you think there is a remote possibility that he may infact have misunderstood Rendell, or Ali Fahour misunderstood.....??

I don't think there's any doubt on what Matt said was there?

 

[Wood_Duck]

I don't think there's any doubt on what Matt said was there?

Massive doubt over the context in which it was reported though.

 

[Jars458]

I couldn't agree more. The problem is that none of his questions will be acknowledged let alone answered.

To those that are still surprised this is still going - if you were shafted and lost your job wouldn't you appreciate someone sticking up for you. This is a dirty stain on our club and it's decision makers. We failed to support a guy that has given his all to football for over 30 years.

To those that say the AFC had no choice after Demetriou set the wheels in motion - I completely disagree. There is always a choice, and we took the soft option in this case. I am yet to hear a single person actually say that Rendell is a racist yet we chose to execute him immediately. I wouldn't want the decision makers to have my back in a fight - I reckon I'd be in strife!!

I understand your point of view but the alternative view IMO is this. When it broke and Trigg was told that Rendell made a comment about only one white parent (even when taken in its best context) he knew there would be a shit storm and that the club would potentially be tarred with the "racism" brush. In addition to this Trigg no doubt got heavied by Demetriou. Anyone doubting the lenghts AD will go to to protect his vested interests just needs to look at the Misfud mark 2 situation.

Faced with this pressure and these circumstnaces, Trigg decided to ask Rendell to resign which has had the result IMO that the club has escaped having any question of it being complicit or being approving of racially based statements. This was potentially a huge problem for the club and is one which has been avoided by the Club's swift action.

The obvious downside is that we have lost a damn good employee and a fine man judging by what many who know him have said.

This issue was never clear cut for Trigg and he had to make his best decision under significant pressure. I know I am reasonably alone here, but I think he made the right choice.

Whilst Rendell's motives were positive, the fact that he suggested that in the future a player may need to have one white parent to get draftred, implies that having one white parent is somehow better. This has serious implications in todays world.

Having said that, I see the view that Matt deserved a second chance and counselling. I would have had no problem with that approach, but I think Trigg judged that in the best interests of the club Matt would have to be sacrificed to prevent a far longer and damaging saga emerging. It was a tought choice and he made it in what he thought were the best interests of the club.

All of this has the caveat that none of us know exactly what was said by Matt in the meeting and in the past and by AD on the phone.

 

[SydCrow]

I understand your point of view but the alternative view IMO is this. When it broke and Trigg was told that Rendell made a comment about only one white parent (even when taken in its best context) he knew there would be a shit storm and that the club would potentially be tarred with the "racism" brush. In addition to this Trigg no doubt got heavied by Demetriou. Anyone doubting the lenghts AD will go to to protect his vested interests just needs to look at the Misfud mark 2 situation.

Faced with this pressure and these circumstnaces, Trigg decided to ask Rendell to resign which has had the result IMO that the club has escaped having any question of it being complicit or being approving of racially based statements. This was potentially a huge problem for the club and is one which has been avoided by the Club's swift action.

The obvious downside is that we have lost a damn good employee and a fine man judging by what many who know him have said.

This issue was never clear cut for Trigg and he had to make his best decision under significant pressure. I know I am reasonably alone here, but I think he made the right choice.

Whilst Rendell's motives were positive, the fact that he suggested that in the future a player may need to have one white parent to get draftred, implies that having one white parent is somehow better. This has serious implications in todays world.

Having said that, I see the view that Matt deserved a second chance and counselling. I would have had no problem with that approach, but I think Trigg judged that in the best interests of the club Matt would have to be sacrificed to prevent a far longer and damaging saga emerging. It was a tought choice and he made it in what he thought were the best interests of the club.

All of this has the caveat that none of us know exactly what was said by Matt in the meeting and in the past and by AD on the phone.

Jars, well put and I agree with all of that.

I guess what gets me is:

(a) Vlad's typically heavy handed action in forcing Trigg's hand - can you imagine him saying that any coach who treats his indigenous players differently should look for a new job? Vlad would claim that he needed to make a strong statement once the accusation was in the press. But how did it get into the press, hmm?

(b) We have lost Rendell, when, on any reasonable analysis (albeit with hindsight) he should have been counselled and kept in the job. Second chances my ****.

 

[johnnypanther]

The AFL, in particular Vlad, has done a complete snow job on Rendell.

Vlad is fortunate that Rendell is such a magnanimous man.

 

[Huntercrow]

In hindsight If Trigg had stuck by Matt instead of bowing to pressure from AFL house, he would have been vindicated by the Davey/ Mifsud saga 2 weeks later. But instead he chose not to do so and missed a golden opportunity to show that integrity still exists within the AFC.
But don't feel too sorry for Steven, every person involved since that meeting in January has come out of this poorly. There were no winners and I doubt that anybody actually learned anything from it. except maybe to be wary of so called friends asking your opinion on matters indigenous.

"Indigenous Matters" are still a complete mystery to me and I think to most people and I have an analogy to explain my thoughts....

You are driving down a country road when you are pulled over for speeding!!

But officer there are no speed signs on this road.

We cannot tell you the sacred speed limit only that you have broken the law!!

but the only reason I was speeding was to take your pregnant wife to hospital like you asked me!

Never the less you are a speeder and will always be thought of as such. You will now lose your licence and never drive again.

OK then but next time your wife can bloodywell walk!!

Everyone's a loser!

 

[SydCrow]

Bumped ahead of ANZAC Day lest we forget

Jase tweets that the AFL has opened prayer rooms at AFL venues. I wonder if each one has a portrait of Vlad in it?

 

[jenny61_99]

good grief!

 

[DJ75]

After 3 rounds last year, there was talk of an AFL investigation in to Richmond's recruiting (you know to stop them being shit at it). How much do you want to bet that Rendell ends up at Richmond?

 

[western royboy]

After 3 rounds last year, there was talk of an AFL investigation in to Richmond's recruiting (you know to stop them being shit at it). How much do you want to bet that Rendell ends up at Richmond?

Sadly I think Bundy is finished in "Clubland" as he put it. He's been in the system a long time - 30+ Years and been thoroughly hung out. I would not begrudge him calling the Roberto Duran "No Mas".

 

[Bicks]

Bumped ahead of ANZAC Day lest we forget

Jase tweets that the AFL has opened prayer rooms at AFL venues. I wonder if each one has a portrait of Vlad in it?

Apparently it is a DIRECTIVE from the AFL (Vlad) that all AFL venues MUST have a prayer room for those of the Muslim Faith...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...must-be-provided/story-e6frf3e3-1226332833993

Houli, a devout Muslim who works for the AFL one day a week as a multicultural ambassador, asked league chief Andrew Demetriou to provide prayer rooms at all grounds.
Prayer rooms, for all denominations, have been recently introduced at Etihad Stadium, the MCG and Sydney's ANZ Stadium.
But the AFL is now insisting on prayer rooms at the SCG and all other interstate venues.

I don't often agree with Jeff Kennett but IMO he's spot on...What's next??
Equality for all religions at AFL venues??? Prayer rooms for all Religions and denominations????

http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-breakfast-blog/prayer-rooms-for-afl-grounds/20120419-1x8lf.html

Ex-Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett has labelled the introduction of prayer rooms at AFL grounds as “ridiculous”.
Kennett says the move by the AFL is part of the “new political correct world in which we live in.”
“To put prayer rooms into sporting venues is not part of the Australian lexicon. It is not the way in which we have behaved. I think it is a overreaction (by the AFL), I think it is political correctness, I think it is absolute rubbish and go hawks” Kennett told Neil Mitchell.
“In the old days when you went to a Football ground there were very few stands, there was mud on the ground that was real football”.

Thought one of the comments in the feedback section was a beauty!!!

I am hinayana buddhist can the AFL build a small temple for me also, I only need a few candles, some water, incents, some fresh jasmine budds and a statue of the lord Buddha to prey. A monk stationed within would enable me to wash his feet after receiving alms thus filling my prayers.


Ramin Thursday 19 April, 2012 - 2:40 PM

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I am a devout follower of a very obscure religion, the Hari Spacklers.

Not too many demands - all I require to worship during matches is a glass-fronted room with a view of the ground, a well-stocked mini bar, some snacks and a few comfy chairs for me and my brethren. The worshipping ceremony takes approximately 4 x 20 minutes plus time on.

Hopefully AD can come up with the goods.

 

[chigwidden]

Apparently it is a DIRECTIVE from the AFL (Vlad) that all AFL venues MUST have a prayer room for those of the Muslim Faith...

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...must-be-provided/story-e6frf3e3-1226332833993

Um actually, it seems the directive is to have a prayer room. Not 'a prayer room for those of the Muslim faith'.

I don't often agree with Jeff Kennett but IMO he's spot on...What's next??
Equality for all religions at AFL venues??? Prayer rooms for all Religions and denominations????

The existing prayer rooms are for all religions, so I presume the new ones will be too. I'm not sure why is is a big deal, honestly. The Muslim footy followers will use it more by virtue of the requirement to pray five times a day, but it's open to those of any faith.

I'm as atheist as they come, but I think this is a really good idea and very simple to implement.

 

[jenny61_99]

Um actually, it seems the directive is to have a prayer room. Not 'a prayer room for those of the Muslim faith'.



The existing prayer rooms are for all religions, so I presume the new ones will be too. I'm not sure why is is a big deal, honestly. The Muslim footy followers will use it more by virtue of the requirement to pray five times a day, but it's open to those of any faith.

I'm as atheist as they come, but I think this is a really good idea and very simple to implement.

A good idea? They've ALWAYS had prayer rooms at the grounds - since the very beginning, before there was any buildings. It's called the G, or footy park, or the gabba. An enormous number of devout followers attend each week. And it doesn't matter what god they follow, they are all united together for one purpose only - footy!

Prayer rooms could be divisive IMO, and are absolutely unneccessary. If someone finds that there is a need to pray during a game - other than the obvious 'please let my team win', either do it where you are ( ie. adapt if you have to) or pick the games you can attend where you aren't required to pray!

 

[Huntercrow]

Do these prayer rooms cater for the public or only for the players?

If 1% of a Grand Final crowd is Religious then this room would need to cater for 1000 people.

If for the players only wouldn't this be discriminatory?

 

[Godallblighty]

If grounds can provide hundreds of rooms for corporates to get pissed in, one windowless box for god botherers of whatever denomination hardly seems like the-end-of-football-as-we-know-it.

 

[Wood_Duck]

If grounds can provide hundreds of rooms for corporates to get pissed in, one windowless box for god botherers of whatever denomination hardly seems like the-end-of-football-as-we-know-it.

Corporates pay for that privilege. Who funds the prayer room?

 

[ftmch]

I am a devout follower of a very obscure religion, the Hari Spacklers.

Not too many demands - all I require to worship during matches is a glass-fronted room with a view of the ground, a well-stocked mini bar, some snacks and a few comfy chairs for me and my brethren. The worshipping ceremony takes approximately 4 x 20 minutes plus time on.

Hopefully AD can come up with the goods.

What do you do for communion? Eitherway , I'm in (your holiness)

 

[jenny61_99]

It's not the end of footy as we know it, but it is the continuation down the track of pandering to minorities for fear of being accused of racism, or exclusion, or whatever bloody excuse they come up with because "their" cause isn't being acknowledged by every man, woman and dog.

Don't get me wrong, I completely respect everybody's beliefs and right to believe in whatever they do. However, there has to be a point where we say - this is a sporting ground. You are here to watch sport. Enough is e-bloody-nough!

 

[JP Sauce]

I am a devout follower of a very obscure religion, the Hari Spacklers.

Not too many demands - all I require to worship during matches is a glass-fronted room with a view of the ground, a well-stocked mini bar, some snacks and a few comfy chairs for me and my brethren. The worshipping ceremony takes approximately 4 x 20 minutes plus time on.

Hopefully AD can come up with the goods.

Finally! A religion that speaks to me!

 

[ftmch]

Corporates pay for that privilege. Who funds the prayer room?

Not sure what the big deal is - this would first and foremost be a marketing decision by the AFL to increase the patronage by a whole new potential market.

It's probably as much a gesture of inclusiveness than anything else .One of the smarter things the AFL have done recently.