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Matt Renshaw

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Around the Wicket said:
But his stats are crap as a opener as well?
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Yeah they are not that great apart from his 200 this season

But the point is he is an opener and should never of gone down the order for qld ...even if he was whingeing for it and why aust played him in the middle order for the scg test and the recent indian ones...is stupid. We should of picked a middle order player who bats/performs in that role in the shield

I made this point few seasons back and I thought it was stupid at the time and still is
 
Westend said:
Yeah they are not that great apart from his 200 this season

But the point is he is an opener and should never of gone down the order for qld ...even if he was whingeing for it and why aust played him in the middle order for the scg test and the recent indian ones...is stupid. We should of picked a middle order player who bats/performs in that role in the shield

I made this point few seasons back and I thought it was stupid at the time and still is
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Harris has averaged 57 over the same time Renshaw has averaged 32.
 
I dont think we have helped him to be honest .
Got thrown in the deep end then dropped out the side initially when we should have persisted .
Then flown over on a red eye after sandpapergate , again should have persisted longer before he was dropped.

Then we roll him out middle order on the sub continent drop him after 1 test . Comes in as sub , middle order again and batted like a guy who was all at sea.
Most likely thats it and another stretch out of the side .

He may not be up to it buy we havent exactly shown patience with a guy at 20 who looked a likely long term opener.
 

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Kram said:
Not saying he's useless or anything but he's always just struck me as just an average or ordinary player, maybe that's what he just is and people have overrated him.
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I don't know what the opposite of rose-coloured glasses is but I think people are wearing them about Matt Renshaw.

He averaged 52 in the shield as a 19 year old, and absolutely deserved his initial selection. Test career started reasonably well, including being our second highest scorer in India, then dumped after a short run of low scores.

Then one test after Sandpapergate, probably still jetlagged after playing the shield final and jumping on the plane, but immediately dumped again.

All of that being said, they shouldn't have picked him in Sydney, and they shouldn't have taken him on tour.

He's looked all at sea in India, no argument there, but I think he's another one that selectors have burned over the years.

There's an alternate universe where they persist with him after Bangladesh, and/or he gets first crack post-Sandpaper, and he reaches the potential he once had.
 
big_e said:
I don't know what the opposite of rose-coloured glasses is but I think people are wearing them about Matt Renshaw.

He averaged 52 in the shield as a 19 year old, and absolutely deserved his initial selection. Test career started reasonably well, including being our second highest scorer in India, then dumped after a short run of low scores.

Then one test after Sandpapergate, probably still jetlagged after playing the shield final and jumping on the plane, but immediately dumped again.

All of that being said, they shouldn't have picked him in Sydney, and they shouldn't have taken him on tour.

He's looked all at sea in India, no argument there, but I think he's another one that selectors have burned over the years.

There's an alternate universe where they persist with him after Bangladesh, and/or he gets first crack post-Sandpaper, and he reaches the potential he once had.
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2018/19 - 394 runs @ 21.88 - 0 hundreds / 2 fifties - Top Score - 89
2019/20 - 182 runs @ 20.22 - 0 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 36
2020/21 - 500 runs @ 62.50 - 2 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 168*
2021/22 - 410 runs @ 29.28 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 120*
2022/23 - 310 runs @ 51.66 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 200*

C'mon mate.. his Shield form is ****ed. Even his good seasons on average are propped up by 1 or 2 fluked scores.

The kids a dud.
 
Around the Wicket said:
2018/19 - 394 runs @ 21.88 - 0 hundreds / 2 fifties - Top Score - 89
2019/20 - 182 runs @ 20.22 - 0 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 36
2020/21 - 500 runs @ 62.50 - 2 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 168*
2021/22 - 410 runs @ 29.28 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 120*
2022/23 - 310 runs @ 51.66 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 200*

C'mon mate.. his Shield form is ****ed. Even his good seasons on average are propped up by 1 or 2 fluked scores.

The kids a dud.
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Before that. He deserved his initial selection.
 
FRUMPY said:
another case of rushing a young kid into the test team rather than letting them develop for a few more years in first class cricket?

gets promoted to test team and eventually found out and potentially ruining him mentally....
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Most of the complaints about those damn selectors are that the team is too old and they don't give youth enough of a chance. They genuinely can not win.
 
2017/18 - 810 runs @ 44.66 - 3 hundreds / 3 fifties - Top Score 170

I class that as a good season because he had 6 scores above 50 so its not just 1 score making him look good, so I'll give him that season, but to only average 44 after 3 hundreds and 3 fifites there must have been some low scores in the mix.

Before that. He deserved his initial selection.
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Shield Seasons up to being selected in Test side.

2014/15 - 6 runs at 3.00 - 0 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 6

2015/16 - 738 runs at 43.41 - 2 hundreds / 1 fifty - Top Score 170

2016/17 - 198 runs at 49.50 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 108

Shield Career upto selection in the Test Team

942 runs at 40.95 - 3 hundreds / 2 fifties - Top Score 170

Wouldn't say he smashed the door down, seems like he was picked off the back of a decent start from a youngster.

He averaged 52 in the shield as a 19 year old, and absolutely deserved his initial selection. Test career started reasonably well, including being our second highest scorer in India, then dumped after a short run of low scores.
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Stats are showing he averaged 40.95 before selection?
 
corbies said:
Most of the complaints about those damn selectors is that the team is too old and they don't give youth enough of a chance. They genuinely can not win.
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I dont like them picking a 20 yr old for Australian Selection - give them a few more years to really develop their game, both skill wise and mentally.

Used to be easy to do because we had 3 or 4 blokes lined up ready to take someones spot who had done their 6-7 years at shield level. These days the cupboard is bare
 
FRUMPY said:
I dont like them picking a 20 yr old for Australian Selection - give them a few more years to really develop their game, both skill wise and mentally.

Used to be easy to do because we had 3 or 4 blokes lined up ready to take someones spot who had done their 6-7 years at shield level. These days the cupboard is bare
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I think its hard for young players to truly develop into a good Test / First Class player now aday with T20 in the mix as well, look out our young batsmen come through not many average above 30 atm lol.

Jason Sangha is a prime example Jason Sangha made his FC debut at 17, now 23 and the kids average sits at 28 after 32 FC games, he was getting touted as the next Ricky Ponting 5 years ago.

Ages of the Top 10 run getters in Shield this season.

Bancroft (30) - 641 runs at 53.41
Handscomb (31) - 571 runs at 81.57
Dan Hughes (34) - 514 runs at 42.83
Whiteman (31) - 477 runs at 36.69
Drew (26) - 476 runs at 43.27
Cartwright (31) - 476 runs at 43.27
Ward (25) - 454 runs at 37.83
McSweeney (23) - 445 runs at 44.50
Harris (31) - 415 runs at 37.72
Patterson (29) - 379 runs 34.45

Not much youth at all in our best performers and only 2 averaging 50+ LoL.
 
Around the Wicket said:
I think its hard for young players to truly develop into a good Test / First Class player now aday with T20 in the mix as well, look out our young batsmen come through not many average above 30 atm lol.

Jason Sangha is a prime example Jason Sangha made his FC debut at 17, now 23 and the kids average sits at 28 after 32 FC games, he was getting touted as the next Ricky Ponting 5 years ago.

Ages of the Top 10 run getters in Shield this season.

Bancroft (30) - 641 runs at 53.41
Handscomb (31) - 571 runs at 81.57
Dan Hughes (34) - 514 runs at 42.83
Whiteman (31) - 477 runs at 36.69
Drew (26) - 476 runs at 43.27
Cartwright (31) - 476 runs at 43.27
Ward (25) - 454 runs at 37.83
McSweeney (23) - 445 runs at 44.50
Harris (31) - 415 runs at 37.72
Patterson (29) - 379 runs 34.45

Not much youth at all in our best performers and only 2 averaging 50+ LoL.
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as i say the cupboard is bare - but also worth noting that ideally first class cricketers are ready to go at ages 25+ and not 20-24 where in all likelyhood they are set up to fail (on the biggest stage)

Jason Sangha is a perfect example as well - just because they look great at 18-19 doesnt mean they will be - he has been found at as not being good enough currently. This is why they need the 4+ years in first class cricket to see if they have what it takes or not. Let them fail there rather than test match spotlight and completely ruin them. He's only 23, still got time to trun it around but best to do it at the lower levels and not in the ajor spotlight of international cricket. Walk before you can run
 

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Around the Wicket said:
2018/19 - 394 runs @ 21.88 - 0 hundreds / 2 fifties - Top Score - 89
2019/20 - 182 runs @ 20.22 - 0 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 36
2020/21 - 500 runs @ 62.50 - 2 hundreds / 0 fifties - Top Score 168*
2021/22 - 410 runs @ 29.28 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 120*
2022/23 - 310 runs @ 51.66 - 1 hundred / 1 fifty - Top Score 200*

C'mon mate.. his Shield form is ****ed. Even his good seasons on average are propped up by 1 or 2 fluked scores.

The kids a dud.
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Couple good county seasons amongst those that you have left out
 
Westend said:
County runs are nice but shield runs take priority
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After seen how comfortably Marnus took to test cricket in England on the back of his Glamorgan stint in 2019, I am backing a player with county form in the lead up to an Ashes than one without when it comes to Ashes selection. Both county and shield runs matter as much as the other. It's not the late 90's/early 2000's when the difference in Shield and county quality was night and day and our domestic stalwarts would just go over there to statpad by pumping trundlers
 
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toml said:
After seen how comfortably Marnus took to test cricket in England on the back of his Glamorgan stint in 2019, I am backing a player with county form in the lead up to an Ashes than one without when it comes to Ashes selection. Both county and shield runs matter as much as the other. It's not the late 90's/early 2000's when the difference in Shield and county quality was night and day and our domestic stalwarts would just go over there to statpad by pumping trundlers
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Yeah thats nice but shield runs are the priority for selection always have been always will
 
Matt Renshaws County Stats

2018 Somerset

513 runs at 51.33 - 3 hundreds / 1 fifty

2019 Kent

118 runs at 23.6 - 0 hundreds / 0 fifties

2022 Somerset

620 runs at 47.69 - 2 hundreds / 1 fifty

Overall County First Class stats

1251 runs at 44.67 - 5 hundreds / 2 fifties
 
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Marcus Harris County Stats

2021 Leicestershire

655 runs at 54.58 - 3 hundreds / 1 fifty

2022 Gloucestershire

707 runs at 47.13 - 3 hundreds / 2 fifties

Overall County First Class stats

1362 runs at 50.44 - 6 hundreds / 3 fifties

County cricket is shit but looks like Harris out does Renshaw in it as well.
 

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