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TheBrownDog
Minson and Maric will be available, both better than Lobbe.
Have you seen Maric play this year? He can barely break into a jog, let alone play AFL football.
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Minson and Maric will be available, both better than Lobbe.
Isn't his contract pretty hefty and runs out in 2019? Surely That is a noose around ports neck if they want to trade him. Lobbe would be a handy stopgap for teams with injured rucks but no one would be willing to absorb the other three seasons.
Bad start to year. Pcl. Hampered coming back from Pcl. Played one good game. Crap year but worse than he is. Long contract but no indication it is crazy expensive for a ruck. Needs to be a number 1 ruck as his marking is 'average'. He can run, compete, tackle link up. That's what he is.
Minson and Maric will be available, both better than Lobbe.
He might Lobbe thereCould West Coast be a destination for Lobbe?
Lobbe played 8 games last year and being 28 next year and with Ryder coming back. Their is no way in hell that Lobbe will get a second pick unless it is an upgrade.
Look at the trading history of rucks. Getting a pick under 40 shouldn't be hard.
Going to be 28 next year and out of form big time.
Giles level of value when he left Essendon which was a third round upgrade. Giles was the same age but is a better player.
Lobbe was worth 20% of nothing. He is worthless. He is contracted, on good coin, out of form and getting older.
I can't see anyone even giving up a 6th rounder for him. I think Port are stuck with him unless they pay his contract or a reasonable portion of it. Even then, he is a reserves player who is 28 next year. Not sure any team would be keen.
There is unlikely anyway out of this for Port.
Says a Power fan. The rest of the league disagree.On what logic are you basing your call that Giles was a better player? How many seasons has he lead a ruck unit? What was his season like at essendon before his move to west coast? Stupid call based on emotion rather than logic
I'm going to address everything you have wrong here
A) yes he is contracted. Why would that be a negative ? The years left is the perfect amount for any team trading him in. Anyone trading a ruck in is going to be offering them 3-4 years anyway.
B) good coin? On 400k. At the time we didn't like the length of the contract , the coin wasn't bad , but now 400 k wouldn't be s**t all for a ruckman. Starting listing rucks on less than 400k who have and can lead a teams ruck unit? Teams trading in witts this off season will likely be offering him 400-450k over 4 years.
Lobbes contract is a positive to any team trading him in, not a negative.
C) out of form he still averaged close to 30 HO a game in a season interrupted by injury. Rucks prime years are usually the years from 27-29 maybe 30 then you go downhill from there. He is just about the start of when most rucks prime years are. His contract runs out at the perfect time too just before he turns 31.
Says a Power fan. The rest of the league disagree.
Bullshit mate.
Giles played 3 games for 1.7 marks and 22 hitouts for the dons before he was traded to west coast
This was pretty much his standard that he had shown across his career!
Lobbe played 8 games this season for 1.6 marks 29 hit outs
This was in a down year for lobbe
Tell me again how Giles was worth more than lobbe when he was traded for a 3rd round upgrade.
Revisionism at its finest.
Trying to speak reason with people here is like banging my head against a brick wall.
Oh please.On what logic are you basing your call that Giles was a better player? How many seasons has he lead a ruck unit? What was his season like at essendon before his move to west coast? Stupid call based on emotion rather than logic
I'm going to address everything you have wrong here
A) yes he is contracted. Why would that be a negative ? The years left is the perfect amount for any team trading him in. Anyone trading a ruck in is going to be offering them 3-4 years anyway.
B) good coin? On 400k. At the time we didn't like the length of the contract , the coin wasn't bad , but now 400 k wouldn't be s**t all for a ruckman. Starting listing rucks on less than 400k who have and can lead a teams ruck unit? Teams trading in witts this off season will likely be offering him 400-450k over 4 years.
Lobbes contract is a positive to any team trading him in, not a negative.
C) out of form he still averaged close to 30 HO a game in a season interrupted by injury. Rucks prime years are usually the years from 27-29 maybe 30 then you go downhill from there. He is just about the start of when most rucks prime years are. His contract runs out at the perfect time too just before he turns 31.
Oh please.
Go have a look at Giles form for GWS in the first couple of years. Better than anything Lobbe has done.
Secondly look at his game against Adelaide in a final, again, better than Lobbe has played this year.
The only difference between the two is that Lobbe is contracted on way bigger money that some team is going to have to carry for a reserves ruckman.
And your talking about his form this year is laughable. He couldnt get a run in a side that didnt have a ruckman. You prefered to use an undersized backman than play him. And you think someone is going to give you anything of value for him?
There is a reason your club doesnt want him.
Oh please.
Go have a look at Giles form for GWS in the first couple of years. Better than anything Lobbe has done.
Correction, pure tap ruckman's value has decreased. Those who can play as a midfielder or forward have remained constant to say the very least. Objectively speaking, players like Grundy are the future model of rucks. Not only can he handle ruck contests, he can also link up through the middle, spreads to the wing for a mark, and even crumb a goal from the forward pocket. There's another reason that Witts was clearly kept out of the side this year apart from being very, very mediocre.The game has changed with less boundary line throw lines and teams holding onto the pill more. Ruckmen value has decreased. Lobb is 28 with injuries and doesn't do anything around the ground and can't play forward for his life.
Third round pick would be about right.
Ruckman who can play another position are gold, totally agree i.e. Lobb. But Lobbe can't play forward.Correction, pure tap ruckman's value has decreased. Those who can play as a midfielder or forward have remained constant to say the very least. Objectively speaking, players like Grundy are the future model of rucks. Not only can he handle ruck contests, he can also link up through the middle, spreads to the wing for a mark, and even crumb a goal from the forward pocket. There's another reason that Witts was clearly kept out of the side this year apart from being very, very mediocre.
Spoken like a true CrowOh please.
Go have a look at Giles form for GWS in the first couple of years. Better than anything Lobbe has done.
Secondly look at his game against Adelaide in a final, again, better than Lobbe has played this year.
The only difference between the two is that Lobbe is contracted on way bigger money that some team is going to have to carry for a reserves ruckman.
And your talking about his form this year is laughable. He couldnt get a run in a side that didnt have a ruckman. You prefered to use an undersized backman than play him. And you think someone is going to give you anything of value for him?
There is a reason your club doesnt want him.
Agree. Port could package him with their third for a late second and early fourth.Lobbe played 8 games last year and being 28 next year and with Ryder coming back. Their is no way in hell that Lobbe will get a second pick unless it is an upgrade.