News Matthew Scarlett Quits as Assistant Coach

[Mad_Hatter]

Listening to a recent Cam Mooney interview he mentioned that the leading teams feedback for Scarlett was that he was out drinking too much prior to 2007. As Cam said they all thought they were taking their football seriously and training hard, until they realised just how far off the best training standards they were as a group , and wasting the talent they had. So it’s not like Scarlo was always ultra professional.

Loved his nose beers too did Scarlo (and plenty others).

 

[iameviljez]

Loved his nose beers too did Scarlo (and plenty others).

Young men feted as heroes and paid hundreds of thousands per year in an environment that invites peer pressure, no shock there

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Young men feted as heroes and paid hundreds of thousands per year in an environment that invites peer pressure, no shock there

Yup not even slightly. It's far more common than many think.
Don't get me wrong I don't really have a problem with it in general, just pointing it out.

 

[Chinacats]

assistanats can't grow under Scott anymore. Their is no change or vision. It wouldn't be a wise choice to come as an assistant to Geelong now if you want to further your career. Scott should only be there for one more year , so the new coach would want to bring in his own assistants in 2023. **** up not too far away!

 

[thejester]

Listening to a recent Cam Mooney interview he mentioned that the leading teams feedback for Scarlett was that he was out drinking too much prior to 2007. As Cam said they all thought they were taking their football seriously and training hard, until they realised just how far off the best training standards they were as a group , and wasting the talent they had. So it’s not like Scarlo was always ultra professional.

It's funny, Leading Teams and the importance of culture has gained mystical connotations but when you drill down into it a lot of it amounted to 'don't be a dickhead and don't come to training hungover'.

 

[year of the cat]

It's funny, Leading Teams and the importance of culture has gained mystical connotations but when you drill down into it a lot of it amounted to 'don't be a dickhead and don't come to training hungover'.

The Leading Teams guy made a s**t load of money from effectively stating the bloody obvious. Was hardly revolutionary but as you allude to he was given almost god like status amongst a gullible, naive AFL community at one stage. Then he went to Adelaide and overreached beyond the limited training that he had. And that can be dangerous. Was exposed to be the charlatan that he was.

 

[Sttew]

assistanats can't grow under Scott anymore. Their is no change or vision. It wouldn't be a wise choice to come as an assistant to Geelong now if you want to further your career. Scott should only be there for one more year , so the new coach would want to bring in his own assistants in 2023. **** up not too far away!

I disagree. We still won 16 games in the H&A. Maybe an assistant can help Scott grow? I’d have thought an assistant aspiring to be a senior coach would see Geelong as appealing. Not sure same can be said for North, Fremantle, Adelaide and even Collingwood yet they are attracting good assistants.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

It's funny, Leading Teams and the importance of culture has gained mystical connotations but when you drill down into it a lot of it amounted to 'don't be a dickhead and don't come to training hungover'.

As Mooney said it’s not for everybody and wouldn’t suit every dynamic, but it was right for Geelong at that time. Players may not have felt able to voice those things in the business as usual structure. Pretty much everyone except Tom Harley needed to change something it seems

It was part of this interview which I thought was pretty good:

 

[feelinfeline]

The Leading Teams guy made a sh*t load of money from effectively stating the bloody obvious. Was hardly revolutionary but as you allude to he was given almost god like status amongst a gullible, naive AFL community at one stage. Then he went to Adelaide and overreached beyond the limited training that he had. And that can be dangerous. Was exposed to be the charlatan that he was.

Be careful. You can be sued for libel for making untrue, defamatory statements.

The organisation that worked with the Adelaide Crows was Collective Mind, not Leading Teams.

 

[00VicWard001]

It's funny, Leading Teams and the importance of culture has gained mystical connotations but when you drill down into it a lot of it amounted to 'don't be a dickhead and don't come to training hungover'.

Gawn mentioned something after the match about fully engaging in the pre-season. I reckon Gawn got a few of the young players back into that mode of hard work after their debacle where they refused to do some challenging work.

 

[year of the cat]

Be careful. You can be sued for libel for making untrue, defamatory statements.

The organisation that worked with the Adelaide Crows was Collective Mind, not Leading Teams.

Same guy wasn’t it?

 

[00VicWard001]

Be careful. You can be sued for libel for making untrue, defamatory statements.

The organisation that worked with the Adelaide Crows was Collective Mind, not Leading Teams.

Same thing overall. What works for one team doesn’t work for another. The different generations of players also have something to do with it.

I personally don’t believe that this sort of motivation is needed to get the best out of a team. The Hawks didn’t need it, Brisbane didn’t either and Richmond didn’t.

Teams always seek some sort of edge, but often it’s not that effective.

 

[feelinfeline]

Same guy wasn’t it?

No. They are completely different organisations.

Amon Woulfe from Collective Mind doesn't work for Leading Teams.

 

[feelinfeline]

Same thing overall. What works for one team doesn’t work for another. The different generations of players also have something to do with it.

I personally don’t believe that this sort of motivation is needed to get the best out of a team. The Hawks didn’t need it, Brisbane didn’t either and Richmond didn’t.

Teams always seek some sort of edge, but often it’s not that effective.

No, Leading Teams is a reputable organisation that has trained, qualified personnel.

Sports psychologist questions credentials of group that ran Crows camp

One of Australia’s leading sports psychologists has questioned the credentials of the man behind Adelaide’s controversial pre-season training camp.

www.theage.com.au

You can agree or disagree as to how effective they are as a whole, but I think you can expect them to have some qualifications at least.

And it's not true to say Richmond didn't have this kind of input. They directly employed (and still employ) Emma Murray and Ben Crowe, who are specialists in this area. Hawthorn also employed psychologists during their success who I'm sure brought similar skill sets

 

[00VicWard001]

No, Leading Teams is a reputable organisation that has trained, qualified personnel.

Sports psychologist questions credentials of group that ran Crows camp

One of Australia’s leading sports psychologists has questioned the credentials of the man behind Adelaide’s controversial pre-season training camp.

www.theage.com.au

You can agree or disagree as to how effective they are as a whole, but I think you can expect them to have some qualifications at least.

And it's not true to say Richmond didn't have this kind of input. They directly employed (and still employ) Emma Murray and Ben Crowe, who are specialists in this area. Hawthorn also employed psychologists during their success who I'm sure brought similar skill sets

I didn’t say they were unqualified.

I agree that The mental edge is equivalent to physical talent, coaching and hard work. Sometimes teams need it from external consultants. Mostly - they can get it from their own club. One advantage geelong has and sells is the ability to get away from the goldfish bowl. Players all rave about the player management and respect outside of being at the club.

 

[year of the cat]

No. They are completely different organisations.

Amon Woulfe from Collective Mind doesn't work for Leading Teams.

Ok, stand corrected. This one have any psych training?

 

[feelinfeline]

I didn’t say they were unqualified.

I agree that The mental edge is equivalent to physical talent, coaching and hard work. Sometimes teams need it from external consultants. Mostly - they can get it from their own club. One advantage geelong has and sells is the ability to get away from the goldfish bowl. Players all rave about the player management and respect outside of being at the club.

I wasn't suggesting you'd said they were unqualified. I was disagreeing with your claim that they're the 'same thing overall'. As I said, one company is reputable, the other one allegedly isn't.

Yes, Geelong has other advantages, but I wonder whether the mental frailties that seem to appear in our players in big finals could be helped by professionals in this field. And they don't have to be 'external consultants'. As I said, Richmond employs these people in-house.

 

[feelinfeline]

Ok, stand corrected. This one have any psych training?

I'm only going on what I've read, but it seems Leading Teams does employ people with training and qualifications, and the head at least of Collective Mind doesn't have them.

But Leading Teams has dozens of employees. It isn't just one 'guy'. I think Collective Mind also has a number of employees.

 

[Sticksman]

Goodwin said recently that Melbourne's training is hard and physical with near full on tackling. He admitted there was a greater risk of injury with such intensity but that's a risk that has to be taken to simulate match conditions.

I've watched enough Geelong training to know that we do not go close to simulating match conditions. Yes, Stewart got injured at training but I bet it wasn't because we overdid the physicality. Our less than 3/4 intense tackling must be a contributor to our failure under finals heat. This must change.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I wasn't suggesting you'd said they were unqualified. I was disagreeing with your claim that they're the 'same thing overall'. As I said, one company is reputable, the other one allegedly isn't.

Yes, Geelong has other advantages, but I wonder whether the mental frailties that seem to appear in our players in big finals could be helped by professionals in this field. And they don't have to be 'external consultants'. As I said, Richmond employs these people in-house.

Lloyd holds a Masters of Applied Psychology (Sport) and is a registered psychologist.
He previously worked as a psych with both Collingwood and Hawthorn.

 

[feelinfeline]

Lloyd holds a Masters of Applied Psychology (Sport) and is a registered psychologist.
He previously worked as a psych with both Collingwood and Hawthorn.

No worries. I think his role at the club is in football management, but I'm sure he uses those skills.

I'm not saying having more psychologists at the club would definitely help the team, but as I said the players' mental frailties do seem to appear in big finals.

 

[00VicWard001]

I wasn't suggesting you'd said they were unqualified. I was disagreeing with your claim that they're the 'same thing overall'. As I said, one company is reputable, the other one allegedly isn't.

Yes, Geelong has other advantages, but I wonder whether the mental frailties that seem to appear in our players in big finals could be helped by professionals in this field. And they don't have to be 'external consultants'. As I said, Richmond employs these people in-house.

Sorry, i assumed that collective mind were also qualified. Clearly not.

The relaxed attitude that Geelong, may not allow them to switch up intensity- which is something that continually happens every year.

 

[Tony Barber]

Am I right in thinking the coaches association successfully had changes made to assistant coaches contracts about 5 years back?
In that, you had to give them assurances by October 1 so they had an opportunity to pursue other options.

I'm sensing recently retired players coming in.

 

[Spearman]

Am I right in thinking the coaches association successfully had changes made to assistant coaches contracts about 5 years back?
In that, you had to give them assurances by October 1 so they had an opportunity to pursue other options.

I'm sensing recently retired players coming in.

If that eventuates, I hope they don't just pick guys who were good players. They should be smart players, good communicators and leaders. Better scout them well.
Too many times we've made our retirees development coaches, mostly I think as transition/reward for service measures. How actually good have they been?

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I hope we get nobody who had previous connections to the GFC. Fresh voices with no emotional ties please.