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they didn't pick hartley 2-3 months after he hit 800 runs in a season and was named player of the season, he isn't gonna be picked 2 years later. particularly given Wade and Nevill (who is pretty much Hartley anyway) are now on the scene. (well they were playing back then, but you know)
 
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they didn't pick hartley 2-3 months after he hit 800 runs in a season and was named player of the season, he isn't gonna be picked 2 years later. particularly given Wade and Nevill (who is pretty much Hartley anyway) are now on the scene. (well they were playing back then, but you know)
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"They" aren't the current selectors.
 
I think it will also help him to settle into test cricket now that Narine won't be playing, as he's really struggled against him in this series, especially in the first three matches, when the ball was spinning a mile on a dusty surface.
I think he's really been wasted batting at 7, too, as most of his best innings in one day cricket have come opening the batting, as far as I'm aware.
 

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I bet the next time Brademaen checks bigfooty and sees this thread his (or her) eyes will light up with delight.

I'm content to let Wade have first crack at being our test wicket keeper since Hartley isn't in the mix. Poor form should see Neville given a chance though.
 
Bucking Beads said:
Is this a joke?? Wade has been moved around the order almost every match and really has struggled because of it. Give him a chance.
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finally someone making sense, wade has been shuffled up and down the order and hasn't had a chance to settle in a spot & his keeping hasn't been that bad as a whole.

didn't hartley get dropped for the ryobi cup for qld as there prefered keeper was ben dunk
 
There has always been a preference to have the same keeper for both Test & ODI (T20 they aren't as concerned about as the keeper isn't as important). As Wade is now the incumbent in the ODI team he was always going to get first shot at the Test spot and abring any injury will play all 3 tests.
 
I've been pushing for Hartley for 12 months, he should have been the backup in the 09 Ashes too.

With Paine out, it is blindingly obvious Hartley should be the test keeper.

Wade should keep in all limited overs, and when his keeping has improved (hopefully it does) he can then step up and take the test spot.

Hartley is everything we want in a keeper. Absolute gun with the gloves and always scores runs when it matters most. He is your typical old school #7 who will come in and play a rearguard when under pressure, and chase quick runs to the detriment of his average when the job has already been done.
 
Thommo 42 said:
I've been pushing for Hartley for 12 months, he should have been the backup in the 09 Ashes too.

With Paine out, it is blindingly obvious Hartley should be the test keeper.

Wade should keep in all limited overs, and when his keeping has improved (hopefully it does) he can then step up and take the test spot.

Hartley is everything we want in a keeper. Absolute gun with the gloves and always scores runs when it matters most. He is your typical old school #7 who will come in and play a rearguard when under pressure, and chase quick runs to the detriment of his average when the job has already been done.
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Hartley is a gun with the gloves but not what you call an explosive batsman with big hitting ability's . he reminds me of the old Victorian keeper Darren berry. brilliant keeper dependable with the bat but sadly never got a real go.


with pain out injuries why doesn't he move to Tasmania they seem to be the next time behind new to get players picked:rolleyes:
 
Hartley is a far better batsman than Berry ever was, and Berry had much better players between him and test selection.

Hartley has played 10 years at the Gabba where conditions are often difficult. He averages over 30 with half a dozen first class hundreds and almost always scores his runs when the pressure is on. He is also only the 2nd player in first class history (after Berry) where he has played an entire season without conceding a bye or missing a chance.

He is also only the 2nd Australian WK (after Haddin) to score over 800 runs in a shield season.

He is just coming off a shield final where he could not have possibly been more polished with his glovework and played 2 match winning innings in difficult conditions.

Everything he does says 'pick me'.
 
Thommo 42 said:
Hartley is a far better batsman than Berry ever was, and Berry had much better players between him and test selection, like who shane warne ranked him as the best keeper in the country at the time and best keeper he has played with. and Steve Waugh has commented in his autobiography that Darren Berry is the best player in Australia to not wear the baggy green hat in a test match.


id call the gabba difficult conditions. specialty where comparing it to the scg or mcg or Hobart where the weather conditions vary so much more. and besides hartley has got dropped for the ryobi cup game in favour of dunk.

hartley scored the 800 runs plus in the season several years ago and hasnt done much since. apart from the shield final he hasn't done much all season as well as the last few.






























if you look at the statistics
wade
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/230193.html

hartley
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/5742.html

wades is far Superior in all forms of the game.
he is younger and can play in all 3 forms of the game unlike hartley and the selectors are wanting that:rolleyes:
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When I say 'had far better players in front of him' - I mean Berry was stuck behind Healy and then Gilchrist. It's not like Hartley is stuck behind that quality, he is behind Wade and Haddin ffs, who are both very average keepers.

Why would you want the same keeper in all 3 forms of the game?

Hartley is prime as the test candidate due to his excellent glovework and gritty batting. Wade is good for limited overs, as he is an explosive batsman and his substandard keeping is more acceptable in limited overs cricket. Which is precisely why many other countries play different keepers in different forms of the game, missed opportunities behind the stumps are often far more crucial than in limited overs - so teams are prepared to play a lesser keeper in that form.
 
Thommo 42 said:
When I say 'had far better players in front of him' - I mean Berry was stuck behind Healy and then Gilchrist. It's not like Hartley is stuck behind that quality, he is behind Wade and Haddin ffs, who are both very average keepers.

Why would you want the same keeper in all 3 forms of the game?

Hartley is prime as the test candidate due to his excellent glovework and gritty batting. Wade is good for limited overs, as he is an explosive batsman and his substandard keeping is more acceptable in limited overs cricket. Which is precisely why many other countries play different keepers in different forms of the game, missed opportunities behind the stumps are often far more crucial than in limited overs - so teams are prepared to play a lesser keeper in that form.
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Wade's keeping is not sub standard and the majority of people agree with that, there is a few on this board that keep pedalling this "issue" making him out to be worse than Geriant Jones. Wade's keeping is at international standard, i agree he is no Healy. Hartley's batting is not up to standard, IMO his restrcitions with the bat will be more found out at test level than Wades keeping.
 
People don't pedal it for any other reason than they have watched him play and don't get caught in the hype. He has kept wicket for approx 700 overs at international level and has already grassed a complete dolly, been sloppy when gathering attempted runouts, missed stumpings and watched the ball sail between himself and 1st slip twice.

Good wicket keepers simply don't grass chances like he has done at both international and domestic level rather frequently. His keeping maybe an upgrade on Haddin's given recent form, but its still not of a high standard.
 
Thommo logic: drop 1 catch= not international standard
 

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Luckily enough it doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks of Wade's keeping ability, as we have Rod Marsh on the selection panel. I dare say he knows eons more about keeping and who is good enough at it than anyone on here, so as long as he and the others on the panel (who will also have a fair idea if someone's up to it) keep selecting him, that's good enough with me. If he's not up to it, I'm sure they'll stop picking him, so it's not worth losing any sleep over.

I'm no expert at wicketkeeping and I usually only notice how they're going if they're doing something extremely well, or extremely poorly and in basically all of the innings I've seen Wade keep for Victoria I've barely noticed him and I also think he's done acceptably well for Australia, especially for someone who is brand new to international cricket. No-one is saying he's great, but Thommo42 and Bradesmeade tried to have us believe that if Wade played for Australia he would be dropping three catches and letting through 25 byes an innings and that hasn't been remotely close to being true. He has made some mistakes, but he hasn't been anywhere near as bad as they were making out and he's been keeping in very testing conditions, in this series, especially.
 
International level keepers shouldnt be making the mistakes at the frequency Wade has been making them. Period.

It seems a global trend that the standard of keeping has fallen. The likes of expert gloveman like Healy and Boucher are dying.

MS Dhoni is a f***ing woeful keeper. I wouldnt have him at fine leg. Sangakarra's standards have dropped, but he is close to the best batsman in the world.

The Akmals for Pakistan....oh jesus.

Unless Wade was a gun bat, then the only reason I can see him keeping his spot is the fact there is no one below him convincingly pushing him out.

AB De Villiers keeps wicket for SA in the one dayers. And captains too. Surely Hussey can do likewise for Australia? Ive seen him keep for WA - he's capable!
 
aussierulesrules said:
Luckily enough it doesn't matter what anyone on here thinks of Wade's keeping ability, as we have Rod Marsh on the selection panel. I dare say he knows eons more about keeping and who is good enough at it than anyone on here, so as long as he and the others on the panel (who will also have a fair idea if someone's up to it) keep selecting him, that's good enough with me. If he's not up to it, I'm sure they'll stop picking him, so it's not worth losing any sleep over.
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People trot this out all the time, but Marsh has also endorsed Brad Haddin as a quality keeper - how does this impact your view on his opinion?

You're also making out like its just me and one other guy who think Wade isn't a great keeper, yet there are other posters in this thread saying the same thing in addition to the likes of Allan Border, Dean Jones, Ian Healy, Kerry O'Keefe, Jim Maxwell etc who have all said the same thing as well.
 
I'm inclined to agree with Thommo here. If Wade doesn't demonstrate a suitable aptitude in the upcoming series, I believe the selectors need to start looking for a keeper batsman rather than a batsman keeper. I want to see how Nevill will go personally.
 

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