Max King

[staffonly]

Isn't that the role of every defender?

Apparently May didn’t worry about King according to the Melbourne poster.

 

[staffonly]

Let me think. He blanketed him out of the game for 2 hours. It's laughable that you're even complaining about May not giving free kicks away when forwards get frees for anything these days. it's so easy being a forward these days! lol.

Yes King is 21 and May is 30. Maybe you should've acknowledged that before the game instead of carrying on disrespecting the best key defender in the game! Tell all of your stkilda mates to face the music instead of hiding behind their own forum.

Acknowledge what exactly? Never posted anything about King v May in any way before the game.

May should have had numerous frees against him today. Blatant pushes in the back times he just infringed King so Melbourne could mark.

It will turn around King will get older and he will get looked after.

 

[danster168]

Acknowledge what exactly? Never posted anything about King v May in any way before the game.

May should have had numerous frees against him today. Blatant pushes in the back times he just infringed King so Melbourne could mark.

It will turn around King will get older and he will get looked after.

Go and check out your own forum. They were out of control all week saying May won't handle King. Yeah, the AA fullback really worries about Max King? lol

 

[staffonly]

Go and check out your own forum. They were out of control all week saying May won't handle King. Yeah, the AA fullback really worries about Max King? lol

I’m sure May was worried or he’s not doing his job.

Anyway we’ve got a heap of improvement in our group not sure Melbourne has many injury concerns for two years now

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Let me think. He blanketed him out of the game for 2 hours. It's laughable that you're even complaining about May not giving free kicks away when forwards get frees for anything these days. it's so easy being a forward these days! lol.

Yes King is 21 and May is 30. Maybe you should've acknowledged that before the game instead of carrying on disrespecting the best key defender in the game! Tell all of your stkilda mates to face the music instead of hiding behind their own forum.

You better tell that to your 4 possession in his prime 4th best player from the 2017 draft Bailey Fritsch comrade Dan. Doesn’t he play "forward these days?"

 

[demondavey]

You better tell that to your 4 possession in his prime 4th best player from the 2017 draft Bailey Fritsch comrade Dan. Doesn’t he play "forward these days?"

Kicked 6 in a GF, wouldn’t worry.

 

[danster168]

You better tell that to your 4 possession in his prime 4th best player from the 2017 draft Bailey Fritsch comrade Dan. Doesn’t he play "forward these days?"

6 in a granny earns you 3 years of poor performances.

 

[Hippster]

I’m sure May was worried or he’s not doing his job.

Anyway we’ve got a heap of improvement in our group not sure Melbourne has many injury concerns for two years now

Have you seen Casey? Have you seen how Melb perform when they lose half a dozen players to CV? They have depth to burn. Their guns are around for another decade. Bad take.

 

[00Stinger]

Very quiet game today but still ended up with 2 goals

Kids on track to be a star

 

[staffonly]

6 in a granny earns you 3 years of poor performances.

Best you tell Paul Deer he got shunted.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

OK, after Max King

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being announced as “arrived” and playing his last dozen games at "elite level” by the normally hapless PJays I made a post challenging PJays to predict how King would go over his next 6 games. PJays wanted no part of it, even when I tried to tempt him with some over and under lines across a range of stats for King in those 6 games.

Now the 6 games have been played, how did little Maxy Waxy go?

These were the lines I set for Max for the 6 game block rounds 4-9 in post #121 on this thread:

1. 16.5 goals
2. 9.5 behinds
3. 4.5 goal assists
4. 0.5 games where he goes below 2 goals + goal assists
5. 3rd on the list of 10 for average goals + goal assists over the 6 rounds((King,) Larkey, Weideman, Balta(if he stays there) Naughton, Ugle-Hagan, Lewis, McKay, Curnow, T. Marshall.)

Results are in:

1. 14 goals
2. 14 behinds
3. 2 goal assists
4. 1 game below 2 goals + goal assists
5. Max averaged 2.66 goals + goal assists per game. Balta was moved to defence so forget him. The others?

Larkey averaged 2.0 goals + goal assists
Weideman 1.5
Naughton 3.66
Ugle-Hagan 0.66
Lewis 3.33
McKay 3.0
Curnow 3.5
Marshall 2.5

Max came in 5th on the list of 9 for average goals + goal assists across the 6 matches. And this was just a bit of a random list of young key forwards. Max finished ahead of Weideman, Ugle-Hagan, North spearhead Larkey, and also pipped Marshall. Well done Max.

Lucky PJays bottled it and didn’t back Max’s performance with me across the 6 matches. The only line he beat was for kicking behinds, at which he has been truly elite.

How did the actual elite key forward performers go in the same period?

Tom Lynch. 4.66 goals + goal assists
Tom Hawkins

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Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

3.83
*Matt Taberner 3.66
A Naughton 3.66
Jeremy Cameron

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Jeremy Cameron

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.4

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.6

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

7.1

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

4.6

4star

T

2.0

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.0

5star

3.5
T Walker 3.33
L Franklin 3.2
*J Danihurt 3.0
J Riewoldt 3.0
M Chol 3.0
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M King 2.66

*player's performance affected by being subbed out in a match.

You would have to say if Max King

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had arrived at elite after rd 3 he has since gone through departures and fallen back to bang in the middle of a group of young key forwards who are trying to make a name for themselves.

Sadly, it appears the over-excited PJays has gone off a little bit early on this thread. Unlucky PJays.

 

[puppy_dog7]

OK, after Max King being announced as “arrived” and playing his last dozen games at "elite level” by the normally hapless PJays I made a post challenging PJays to predict how King would go over his next 6 games. PJays wanted no part of it, even when I tried to tempt him with some over and under lines across a range of stats for King in those 6 games.

Now the 6 games have been played, how did little Maxy Waxy go?

These were the lines I set for Max for the 6 game block rounds 4-9 in post #121 on this thread:

1. 16.5 goals
2. 9.5 behinds
3. 4.5 goal assists
4. 0.5 games where he goes below 2 goals + goal assists
5. 3rd on the list of 10 for average goals + goal assists over the 6 rounds((King,) Larkey, Weideman, Balta(if he stays there) Naughton, Ugle-Hagan, Lewis, McKay, Curnow, T. Marshall.)

Results are in:

1. 14 goals
2. 14 behinds
3. 2 goal assists
4. 1 game below 2 goals + goal assists
5. Max averaged 2.66 goals + goal assists per game. Balta was moved to defence so forget him. The others?

Larkey averaged 2.0 goals + goal assists
Weideman 1.5
Naughton 3.66
Ugle-Hagan 0.66
Lewis 3.33
McKay 3.0
Curnow 3.5
Marshall 2.5

Max came in 5th on the list of 9 for average goals + goal assists across the 6 matches. And this was just a bit of a random list of young key forwards. Max finished ahead of Weideman, Ugle-Hagan, North spearhead Larkey, and also pipped Marshall. Well done Max.

Lucky PJays bottled it and didn’t back Max’s performance with me across the 6 matches. The only line he beat was for kicking behinds, at which he has been truly elite.

How did the actual elite key forward performers go in the same period?

Tom Lynch. 4.66 goals + goal assists
Tom Hawkins 3.83
*Matt Taberner 3.66
A Naughton 3.66
Jeremy Cameron 3.5
T Walker 3.33
L Franklin 3.2
*J Danihurt 3.0
J Riewoldt 3.0
M Chol 3.0
-
-
-
-
-
M King 2.66

*player's performance affected by being subbed out in a match.

You would have to say if Max King had arrived at elite after rd 3 he has since gone through departures and fallen back to bang in the middle of a group of young key forwards who are trying to make a name for themselves.

Sadly, it appears the over-excited PJays has gone off a little bit early on this thread. Unlucky PJays.

Agree Max has been down on form in recent weeks. But from a saints supporters perspective it’s great to know we don’t have to rely on him to win us matches.

Max’s last 3 weeks he’s played against

(Port in wet conditions in Cairns,
Melbourne & Geelong)

You brought up Lynch as being the real elite Key forward in the comp.
But who has he played the last 3 weeks?

(West Cost 7 goals, Collingwood 6 goals & Hawthorn 4 goals.)

How has Lynch gone against top 8 teams?

(Melbourne 2 goals from 1 mark, Carlton 2 goals from 3 marks & Saints 1 goal from 4 marks.)

That is absolutely elite!!!

So in other words Lynch loves beating up on bottom 8 teams and undersized defences?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Agree Max has been down on form in recent weeks. But from a saints supporters perspective it’s great to know we don’t have to rely on him to win us matches.

Max’s last 3 weeks he’s played against

(Port in wet conditions in Cairns,
Melbourne & Geelong)

You brought up Lynch as being the real elite Key forward in the comp.
But who has he played the last 3 weeks?

(West Cost 7 goals, Collingwood 6 goals & Hawthorn 4 goals.)

How has Lynch gone against top 8 teams?

(Melbourne 2 goals from 1 mark, Carlton 2 goals from 3 marks & Saints 1 goal from 4 marks.)

That is absolutely elite!!!

So in other words Lynch loves beating up on bottom 8 teams and undersized defences?

Nobody was starting threads about Tom Lynch, but he has nothing to prove about what he can do when it matters. That is all ahead of Max.

 

[schmuttt]

The max king

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hate is bizarre. Think there is a lot of insecurity that a traditionally small market team looks like they’ll have a potential top 3 player in the league for his entire career. His goalkicking will fix itself, my only concern is I feel he can be a bit uncompetitive sometimes.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

The max king hate is bizarre. Think there is a lot of insecurity that a traditionally small market team looks like they’ll have a potential top 3 player in the league for his entire career. His goalkicking will fix itself, my only concern is I feel he can be a bit uncompetitive sometimes.

I know, I am astounded there is so much Max King hate. He is a good young player, right?

Only thing is, I can’t seem to find any posts on this thread exemplifying “Max King hate.” . Can you take me to a place where there is Max King hate, I would love to get angry about it.

 

[puppy_dog7]

Nobody was starting threads about Tom Lynch, but he has nothing to prove about what he can do when it matters. That is all ahead of Max.

But you were comparing King to Lynch?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

But you were comparing King to Lynch?

I was comparing King to a group of key forwards averaging 3 or more goals + goal assists per game over the last 6 rounds. Lynch just happened to have the highest average so I highlighted him to show how far Max is away from the highest average over that period. I completely accept Lynch has beaten up on some weaker opposition over the last 3 matches, that is why the Tigers have targetted him in that period, because he had good matchups. Though it must be noted he had his best game going 1 on 1 v one of last year’s AA key defenders, Darcy Moore.

This is more or less why genius PJays started this thread. King got a couple of favourable matchups, was targetted, and cashed in. As we saw with King, and as we will no doubt see with Lynch, favourable matchups don’t just carry on forever.

 

[PJays]

You would have to say if Max King had arrived at elite after rd 3 he has since gone through departures and fallen back ....

Sadly, it appears the over-excited PJays has gone off a little bit early on this thread. Unlucky PJays.

King is 2nd in the comp in contested marks and 6th in goals.

The 5 goal kickers above him are all aged 25+

He just played a key role in defeating a perennial finalist, with a couple of goals and some big grabs.

For a 21 year old with <50 games he's absolutely having an elite season.

 

[PhatBoy]

OK, after Max King being announced as “arrived” and playing his last dozen games at "elite level” by the normally hapless PJays I made a post challenging PJays to predict how King would go over his next 6 games. PJays wanted no part of it, even when I tried to tempt him with some over and under lines across a range of stats for King in those 6 games.

Now the 6 games have been played, how did little Maxy Waxy go?

These were the lines I set for Max for the 6 game block rounds 4-9 in post #121 on this thread:

1. 16.5 goals
2. 9.5 behinds
3. 4.5 goal assists
4. 0.5 games where he goes below 2 goals + goal assists
5. 3rd on the list of 10 for average goals + goal assists over the 6 rounds((King,) Larkey, Weideman, Balta(if he stays there) Naughton, Ugle-Hagan, Lewis, McKay, Curnow, T. Marshall.)

Results are in:

1. 14 goals
2. 14 behinds
3. 2 goal assists
4. 1 game below 2 goals + goal assists
5. Max averaged 2.66 goals + goal assists per game. Balta was moved to defence so forget him. The others?

Larkey averaged 2.0 goals + goal assists
Weideman 1.5
Naughton 3.66
Ugle-Hagan 0.66
Lewis 3.33
McKay 3.0
Curnow 3.5
Marshall 2.5

Max came in 5th on the list of 9 for average goals + goal assists across the 6 matches. And this was just a bit of a random list of young key forwards. Max finished ahead of Weideman, Ugle-Hagan, North spearhead Larkey, and also pipped Marshall. Well done Max.

Lucky PJays bottled it and didn’t back Max’s performance with me across the 6 matches. The only line he beat was for kicking behinds, at which he has been truly elite.

How did the actual elite key forward performers go in the same period?

Tom Lynch. 4.66 goals + goal assists
Tom Hawkins 3.83
*Matt Taberner 3.66
A Naughton 3.66
Jeremy Cameron 3.5
T Walker 3.33
L Franklin 3.2
*J Danihurt 3.0
J Riewoldt 3.0
M Chol 3.0
-
-
-
-
-
M King 2.66

*player's performance affected by being subbed out in a match.

You would have to say if Max King had arrived at elite after rd 3 he has since gone through departures and fallen back to bang in the middle of a group of young key forwards who are trying to make a name for themselves.

Sadly, it appears the over-excited PJays has gone off a little bit early on this thread. Unlucky PJays.

Congratulations on guessing that a 20 year old forward wouldn’t match:

• a 33 year old forward
• a 34 year old forward
• a forward who turns 30 in a month
• a 32 year old forward
• a 33 year old forward
• two 28 year old forwards

Even Chol has been in the AFL system since King was in year 8 at school.

Wow what an amazing predictor of things you are.

‘I will make huge predictions about what this kid who’s just left his teens WONT do, and if you are really brave you’ll make an internet prediction with someone you’ve never met to show you have a big **** about what he WILL do. Because that’s what determines **** size.’



I genuinely thought you were better than this.

 

[PhatBoy]

AFL fan culture is utterly f***ed

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Congratulations on guessing that a 20 year old forward wouldn’t match:

• a 33 year old forward
• a 34 year old forward
• a forward who turns 30 in a month
• a 32 year old forward
• a 33 year old forward
• two 28 year old forwards

Even Chol has been in the AFL system since King was in year 8 at school.

Wow what an amazing predictor of things you are.

‘I will make huge predictions about what this kid who’s just left his teens WONT do, and if you are really brave you’ll make an internet prediction with someone you’ve never met to show you have a big **** about what he WILL do. Because that’s what determines **** size.’



I genuinely thought you were better than this.

That is the weirdest post of yours I have read.

I actually over-predicted King’s performance in the last 6 games, though most of my predictions were not too far off the mark, so it wasn’t a bad effort.

I did not predict he wouldn’t match any of the 28+yo’s you listed. I predicted he would have a par expectation of 3rd of 10 key forwards in the 19-25yo age group in terms of goals plus goal assists. King under-performed my expectation against that group, finishing 5th of the group.

And what has **** size got to do with any of that? Very very odd reference.

Take a chill pill PB, go back and read what I actually wrote and see if you can get some perspective on the whole thing.

I like Max King as a player. He is a good young player, a likely future star. I was merely trying to get things back in order after PJays had gone off quarter cocked declaring King has arrived at elite level, as a 21yo. Something you and I both know is pretty unlikely for a key forward.

My reward for being the voice of reason and introducing a bit of balance to the thread…..something about **** size.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

King is 2nd in the comp in contested marks and 6th in goals.

The 5 goal kickers above him are all aged 25+

He just played a key role in defeating a perennial finalist, with a couple of goals and some big grabs.

For a 21 year old with <50 games he's absolutely having an elite season.

Ah, I must apologise PJays. When I read what you wrote about Max King arriving at elite level, I did not understand what you meant was elite level “for a 21yo with <50 games on the board.”

You might want to mention that next time so others don’t make the schoolboy error I made of thinking elite level means actual elite level.

 

[PhatBoy]

That is the weirdest post of yours I have read.

I actually over-predicted King’s performance in the last 6 games, though most of my predictions were not too far off the mark, so it wasn’t a bad effort.

I did not predict he wouldn’t match any of the 28+yo’s you listed. I predicted he would have a par expectation of 3rd of 10 key forwards in the 19-25yo age group in terms of goals plus goal assists. King under-performed my expectation against that group, finishing 5th of the group.

And what has **** size got to do with any of that? Very very odd reference.

Take a chill pill PB, go back and read what I actually wrote and see if you can get some perspective on the whole thing.

I like Max King as a player. He is a good young player, a likely future star. I was merely trying to get things back in order after PJays had gone off quarter cocked declaring King has arrived at elite level, as a 21yo. Something you and I both know is pretty unlikely for a key forward.

My reward for being the voice of reason and introducing a bit of balance to the thread…..something about **** size.

He has arrived at the elite level. Not being consistently as good as a sequence of the most elite forwards the game has seen over a decade doesn’t mean he hasn’t arrived.

He is playing a determining hand in a lot of his team’s matches. He is dominating direct opponents and providing a target St Kilda haven’t had since Nick Riewoldt.

There’s nothing wrong with saying ‘hang on he’s not THAT good yet’ because hey - he’s not.

But making out like you’ve won some bragging rights because of something a player HASNT done in a field where he’s being compared to players with 10+ seasons under their belt is what makes it look like a **** measuring competition.

Moreover it promotes the ever growing idea that fandom in this sport exists almost exclusively for rubbishing players

 

[Meteoric Rise]

He has arrived at the elite level. Not being consistently as good as a sequence of the most elite forwards the game has seen over a decade doesn’t mean he hasn’t arrived.

He is playing a determining hand in a lot of his team’s matches. He is dominating direct opponents and providing a target St Kilda haven’t had since Nick Riewoldt.

There’s nothing wrong with saying ‘hang on he’s not THAT good yet’ because hey - he’s not.

But making out like you’ve won some bragging rights because of something a player HASNT done in a field where he’s being compared to players with 10+ seasons under their belt is what makes it look like a **** measuring competition.

Moreover it promotes the ever growing idea that fandom in this sport exists almost exclusively for rubbishing players

Making out I have won some bragging rights because he didn’t measure up to other players? That is a seriously weird take on my post. King UNDER-performed my predictions. So I OVER-rated his likely expected performance.

So what you are arguing is that I have made a post to say look at this, look how right I was to wrongly over-predict Max King’s performance ove the last 6 rounds.

I hope that makes sense in your world PB, it doesn’t make any sense to me. I made some predictions. I came back faithfully to check how they had done. I would have done this regardless of any outcome. I compared his results v the players I said I would compare him to, ie other young key forwards. And then I showed what the players achieving elite key forward goals+goal assist numbers had done so we could compare Max’s performance.

You say Max King has arrived at elite key forward level. Allowing 40 odd key forwards in the game at any one time that would put him in the top half dozen or so wouldn’t it? How many AFL key forwards would you select before Max King in a game to be played this week? What definition do you have of elite for a key forward?

King is 10th of the key forwards for goals per match this year. He is no higher than 25th for average goal assists of the key forwards, but that is not including over a dozen rucks/second rucks. He is 8th amongst key forwards for score involvements.

These are all perfectly respectable numbers for a key forward, let alone a 21yo, but elite?

Come on PB, you seem to be having a bad day mate. Still I guess that is an upgrade on PJays, who is having a shocking decade.

 

[Falcon3518]

He has arrived at the elite level. Not being consistently as good as a sequence of the most elite forwards the game has seen over a decade doesn’t mean he hasn’t arrived.

He is playing a determining hand in a lot of his team’s matches. He is dominating direct opponents and providing a target St Kilda haven’t had since Nick Riewoldt.

There’s nothing wrong with saying ‘hang on he’s not THAT good yet’ because hey - he’s not.

But making out like you’ve won some bragging rights because of something a player HASNT done in a field where he’s being compared to players with 10+ seasons under their belt is what makes it look like a **** measuring competition.

Moreover it promotes the ever growing idea that fandom in this sport exists almost exclusively for rubbishing players

Don’t you have to be consistent though to be elite? I mean you’d have to agree or do you think 2 Meter Peter is now elite for the rest of the year cause he kicked a bag of 6 the other week? I don’t think King is near consistent enough tbh, his goal kicking accuracy is about 53% last time I checked which is pretty ordinary. I think he’s biggest bag for the year is only 4 goals which he’s only done a couple of times.