Max King

[PJays]

King took the best 2 marks of the game tonight, and ended with 2 goals

Considering that our mids got dominated (41 clearances to 21) and our 46 forward entries were rarely quality entries, that's not horrible from King

Similar to the Carlton game in a way. He kicked 3 that night. The third was deep in time on with the result a foregone conclusion, but earlier had kicked 2 rippers- one from an epic pack mark, and another running, turning and snapping from 45. The sort of play rarely seen from a 2 metre guy. That night he had 10 or 11 touches but 5 or 6 of them were real quality touches that made you stand up and notice him

He's not impacting games like he was early in the year, but still giving epic moments regularly

 

[Meteoric Rise]

King took the best 2 marks of the game tonight, and ended with 2 goals

Considering that our mids got dominated (41 clearances to 21) and our 46 forward entries were rarely quality entries, that's not horrible from King

Similar to the Carlton game in a way. He kicked 3 that night. The third was deep in time on with the result a foregone conclusion, but earlier had kicked 2 rippers- one from an epic pack mark, and another running, turning and snapping from 45. The sort of play rarely seen from a 2 metre guy. That night he had 10 or 11 touches but 5 or 6 of them were real quality touches that made you stand up and notice him

He's not impacting games like he was early in the year, but still giving epic moments regularly

Great relief to see you retaining some semblance of hope regarding Max “Junktime” King PJays. Second best of 2 key forwards on the ground behind a 20 year old. Max “Quinella” King.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Great relief to see you retaining some semblance of hope regarding Max “Junktime” King PJays. Second best of 2 key forwards on the ground behind a 20 year old. Max “Quinella” King.

Whatever makes you feel better about your long rebuild ahead.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Much improved outing from from past and future elite key forward and current form slump victim Maxy King tonight.

Equal 4th season high 12 disposals.

Equal 8th season high 2 goals.

Equal 7th season high 1 behind.

Equal season high 2 tackles. Get the man a cigar. Boh were inside 50 which represents a season high for tackles inside 50.

Equal season high 0 hitouts.

Equal second season high 1 goal assist.

Equal 3rd season high 3 inside 50’s.

Season high 24 times AWOL when the team went inside 50.

Equal second season high 0 clearances.

Season 3rd high 3 clangers.

Equal 6th season high +1 free kick differential.

Equal 9th season high 6 contested Sherrins.

Season 4th high 9 effective disposals.

Equal season 9th high 2 contested marks.

Equal season low 0 1%ers.

Equal season 6th high 6 score involvements.

Season 5th high 277 metres gained.

Season 3rd high 5 turnovers.

Equal season high 1 intercept possession. Impressive.



Match Report

This former and future elite key forward is building into the season beautifully, recording equal season high marks in tackles(2), intercept possessions(1) and goal assists(1).

A very whelming performance. Whatever whelming is.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Whatever makes you feel better about your long rebuild ahead.

Looks like being about 21 years less than your club’s 22 year version….so far.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Rich mans Nick Larkey

20

Nick Larkey

Age

27

Ht

198cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.5

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.9

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.4

5star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

.

 

[Freomaniac]

I’m not picking a fight with you mate but versatility counts for s**t if you aren’t elite.

If someone says ‘you can have this guy who covers 3 distinct different roles at a competent but unremarkable level’ or someone else who can play just 1 role but can be top 2-3 in the league at it?

You take the second guy every time.

Cats fans will tell you all about Mark Blicavs.

I personally DO like the fact that he can play a number of roles at least at a moderate level but if we had to trade one of he or Jeremy Cameron/Tom Stewart/Tom
Hawkins it’s always going to be Blicavs that we choose.

Max King is an absolute jet and if he sorts his kicking out, which he will as he gets older, he will win the Saints half a dozen games a year off his own boot.

This is an interesting post....


But gonna go off topic.... And ask you a random question.

You get to choose one of 2 options. Pay 1 million-1.2 million dollars on an elite kpf kicking 60-66 goals a season or 3 goals a game.



Pay $5-$600,000 on 2 average but versatile forwards that can kick 30-33 goals each or 1.5 goals a game.

One of those versatile tall forwards is a 200 cm forward that can ruck.

The other tall is 195 cm who is a versatile bit can be a solid CHF and CHB?

 

[Freomaniac]

Has had more scoring shots than any other forward in the AFL, just poor conversion. Tom Lynch as had 48 Shots at goal and king 49.
Point out who at 20 years old is a better forward than him? Plugger, Ablett, Lloyd? the list isn't very long.

Max king is a good player. But no disrespect to king. He is a good young player. But stop trying to compare him to Tony Lockett or Nick Riewoldt or even Stewart Lowe.

The last thing max King needs is more unnecessary pressure.

Saying that.... Tony Lockett was a freak footballer at 16 or 17 years old.

 

[catscratchfever]

Trade King to a decent club where he might actually have a chance at success.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Looks like being about 21 years less than your club’s 22 year version….so far.

Yeah I guess if the goal is to finish just outside the 8, sure...

 

[MickG88]

Great relief to see you retaining some semblance of hope regarding Max “Junktime” King PJays. Second best of 2 key forwards on the ground behind a 20 year old. Max “Quinella” King.

You mean the kid who had 6 possessions, 1 tackle, 1 mark and only 3 minutes of impact on a game.
You're delusional if you think King had a worse game then JUH.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Jesus PJays the way you were talking was like the man Saints fans call “Max” was going to overtake all the forwards ahead of him and take the world by storm.

You didn’t tell us that younger players would start going past Max “Yesterday” King. The most targetted forward in the AFL.

Goals + Goal Assists

3.33 per game 20yo Jamarra Ugle-Hagan(v Saints, Demons, Cats in last 3 weeks since he found his feet)

3.25 per game. 21yo Noah Cumberland(career average)

3.16 22yo Aaron Naughton

33

Aaron Naughton

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

1star

G

0.5

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

2022 season

2.9 22yo Max King

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

, since he “turned the corner” in round 13, 2021.


Dear oh dear Max you are now plummeting down the 22yo and under AFL forward rankings like a stone.

 

[Dazb86]

Jesus PJays the way you were talking was like the man Saints fans call “Max” was going to overtake all the forwards ahead of him and take the world by storm.

You didn’t tell us that younger players would start going past Max “Yesterday” King. The most targetted forward in the AFL.

Goals + Goal Assists

3.33 per game 20yo Jamarra Ugle-Hagan(v Saints, Demons, Cats in last 3 weeks since he found his feet)

3.25 per game. 21yo Noah Cumberland(career average)

3.16 22yo Aaron Naughton 2022 season

2.9 22yo Max King, since he “turned the corner” in round 13, 2021.


Dear oh dear Max you are now plummeting down the 22yo and under AFL forward rankings like a stone.

Apparently Naughton should be used as a defender though

 

[MisterMarcus]

Can someone please explain the mentality of openly gloating and wishing for young players with potential to fail?

We see it for JUH, King, Rayner, I'm sure there's other threads I've missed. People so obviously happy and delighted to see a good young player have a poor game or a form slump or an injury. Every rough game, they're rushing to bump the threads, every good game they go running and hiding for the week.

I guess I must be out of step or something, but I really just don't get it.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Can someone please explain the mentality of openly gloating and wishing for young players with potential to fail?

We see it for JUH, King, Rayner, I'm sure there's other threads I've missed. People so obviously happy and delighted to see a good young player have a poor game or a form slump or an injury. Every rough game, they're rushing to bump the threads, every good game they go running and hiding for the week.

I guess I must be out of step or something, but I really just don't get it.

I'm not sure but it's probably jealousy that other sides have drafted kids with high potential so oppo supporters death ride them hoping for failure.

In this case, go back and read the opening post, it's not the kind of stupid pump up thing you want one of your own supporters posting. The OP just fires up all the oppo's death riders even more.

 

[PJays]

Goals + Goal Assists

3.33 per game 20yo Jamarra Ugle-Hagan(v Saints, Demons, Cats in last 3 weeks since he found his feet)

3 games

3.25 per game. 21yo Noah Cumberland(career average)

And how many games has Cumberland played?

If you can count them on one hand, you probably shouldn't be comparing him to Max King

3.16 22yo Aaron Naughton 2022 season

Naughton is, like King, on the cusp of being elite.

King has played 19 games this year, Naughton 18, statistically they're very similar.

Naughton should be a year or two ahead in development though, since he's played almost 100 games (96 to King's 57), given King's injuries in his rookie year and TAC cup, and he's 7 months older.

 

[Farang83150]

I'd definitely take Naughton over King, more powerful, takes lots of pack marks and his set shot kicking style looks much smoother, just my take and hope King lives up to the hype.

 

[MisterMarcus]

I think King suffers somewhat from not having a genuine second KPF to help him out and take the focus/pressure off occasionally. They have Wood and Membery, but both are more 'third tall' lead-up types. When it comes to the key target in F50, it's kind of King or nothing.

It didn't really work well against the Cats last week, but the Doggies' lineup of having three genuine talls in attack at least provides options and takes the focus off any one individual. We had to put our two best defenders on Bruce and Naughton, which let JUH off the leash early. If we'd have tried to shuffle the defence, maybe Naughton would have been the one to get free.

I don't know if there's any youngsters coming through, but Saints would be best served by getting another genuine tall in the F50 to help King out.

 

[PJays]

I think King suffers somewhat from not having a genuine second KPF to help him out and take the focus/pressure off occasionally. They have Wood and Membery, but both are more 'third tall' lead-up types. When it comes to the key target in F50, it's kind of King or nothing.

It didn't really work well against the Cats last week, but the Doggies' lineup of having three genuine talls in attack at least provides options and takes the focus off any one individual. We had to put our two best defenders on Bruce and Naughton, which let JUH off the leash early. If we'd have tried to shuffle the defence, maybe Naughton would have been the one to get free.

I don't know if there's any youngsters coming through, but Saints would be best served by getting another genuine tall in the F50 to help King out.

This is one reason why St Kilda is so much better with Ryder and Marshall both playing. There's one of them in the forward line for at least 50% of the game.

Earlier this year I calculated that Ryder and Marshall combined for 41 goals in the 24 games they'd played together. Remembering that's in about 50% of game time, that's an impressive number.

When they both play, we basically have another quality key forward to take pressure off King.

If you look through King's career, most of the games where he's kicked 3 or more have been with both rucks playing. There's 2 reasons for that. Firstly St Kilda plays better with both rucks and is more likely to post a big score, with more opportunities in the forward line. But the other reason is the opposition has to contend with another marking big, instead of just mid sized Membrey as you said, resulting in less pressure on King.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This is one reason why St Kilda is so much better with Ryder and Marshall both playing. There's one of them in the forward line for at least 50% of the game.

Earlier this year I calculated that Ryder and Marshall combined for 41 goals in the 24 games they'd played together. Remembering that's in about 50% of game time, that's an impressive number.

When they both play, we basically have another quality key forward to take pressure off King.

If you look through King's career, most of the games where he's kicked 3 or more have been with both rucks playing. There's 2 reasons for that. Firstly St Kilda plays better with both rucks and is more likely to post a big score, with more opportunities in the forward line. But the other reason is the opposition has to contend with another marking big, instead of just mid sized Membrey as you said, resulting in less pressure on King.

Now King is “conditionally” elite I see.

It is funny how you were not giving Naughton any credit for having to play one out as the only aerial threat forward for the Dogs for a much longer period up until recent weeks, but King plays a couple of games with no Hayes/Ryder to hold his hand it is headlines.

 

[ams4crows]

Trade King to a decent club where he might actually have a chance at success.

It's his own fault for choosing to stay and signing a long contract

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Can someone please explain the mentality of openly gloating and wishing for young players with potential to fail?

We see it for JUH, King, Rayner, I'm sure there's other threads I've missed. People so obviously happy and delighted to see a good young player have a poor game or a form slump or an injury. Every rough game, they're rushing to bump the threads, every good game they go running and hiding for the week.

I guess I must be out of step or something, but I really just don't get it.

Who on this thread is hoping for King to fail? Is it so painful for someone to keep the thread honest and put King’s achievements into some sort of realistic perspective after PJays wrongly declared him elite?

I don’t wish to see Max King fail any more than I wish to see his opponent’s fail. I just like to see them one and all given due credit and criticism for their performances. And I noticed PJays was giving Max King undue credit so I thought I’d keep the bastard honest.

 

[BrutThough]

I think King suffers somewhat from not having a genuine second KPF to help him out and take the focus/pressure off occasionally. They have Wood and Membery, but both are more 'third tall' lead-up types. When it comes to the key target in F50, it's kind of King or nothing.

It didn't really work well against the Cats last week, but the Doggies' lineup of having three genuine talls in attack at least provides options and takes the focus off any one individual. We had to put our two best defenders on Bruce and Naughton, which let JUH off the leash early. If we'd have tried to shuffle the defence, maybe Naughton would have been the one to get free.

I don't know if there's any youngsters coming through, but Saints would be best served by getting another genuine tall in the F50 to help King out.

You've summed it up fairly well. Wood has played majority wing for us as well. On the weekend, we had Mitch Owens as the 3rd forward target but he is an 18 year old midfielder. With Ryder injured and Marshall rucking (which he should do full time), we have no other options right now.

I think a 2nd forward/ruck is our biggest need this off season. We have Jack Hayes who looked good in the few games he played before doing his ACL, but there is also a risk he doesn't recapture his form next year. Otherwise, it is pretty bare for key forwards on the list - we drafted one in 2020 but he looks a long way off it and Sharman is now being trialed down back. Lobb would be the perfect fit for what we need but sounds like he is decided on the Dogs.

 

[PhatBoy]

Having been banned for a few weeks it was interesting just to occasionally peruse this place and see some of the criticism that certain players attract.

It seems ANYONE that has the misfortune of actually being thought of as ‘good at footy’ is basically destined to just be called crap unless they are perpetually bombing 6 goals a game/having 35 touches/keeping a gorilla forward goalless every week.

King is a jet. If I could have my pick of any under 25 forward for the next decade it would be him. The only thing stopping him from already being equal with the very best forwards of all ages is his finishing. And that can be fixed.

I’ve seen Ugle-Hagan cop an absolute gobful from a few people the other night against us. Playing against the league leaders, at a venue his team hasn’t won at since before he was born, he kicked a couple of goals and when his influence on the scoreboard started to dissipate because his side couldn’t get the ball inside 50, off his own bat he started pushing up to the wing and winning the ball there.

The desire to crush a kid because he isn’t John Coleman within the football fandom fraternity is utterly bewildering

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Needs to work on kicking through the ball no matter the distance and also kicking from far enough away from the man on the mark.

Not sure why players seem to insist on massaging the ball through when they are closer instead of just putting the ball into the back row/2nd level.

He's not the only culprit in our forwards that does this.