Max King

[g_TRAIN]

Will be interesting to see how he goes on May this week and vice versa.

May would be giving away 9cm

I suspect, they might be involved in a few contests but won't go head to head directly for this reason.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Ben King is better.

No, he isn't, not at this stage of their careers. Who knows who ends up the better player but if you are being objective then career to date no he's not better.

Max averages more goals per game, more marks, more contested marks, more marks inside 50, more possessions, and more score involvements. The list goes on and on, Max is leading in more or less every catagory.

And he's played less games.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

No, he isn't, not at this stage of their careers. Who knows who ends up the better player but if you are being objective then career to date no he's not better.

Max averages more goals per game, more marks, more contested marks, more marks inside 50, more possessions, and more score involvements. The list goes on and on, Max is leading in more or less every catagory.

And he's played less games.

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Max has been older on average in the games he has played. And has played in a better team.

So Ben is better.

 

[danster168]

No, he isn't, not at this stage of their careers. Who knows who ends up the better player but if you are being objective then career to date no he's not better.

Max averages more goals per game, more marks, more contested marks, more marks inside 50, more possessions, and more score involvements. The list goes on and on, Max is leading in more or less every catagory.

And he's played less games.

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yeah Ben been on a terrible terrible team. Plus he is a better kick for goal. i think its clear that Ben is better.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

he's played a single game this year against the eagles.

So there you go. Max has had 7 chances to get ahead on average goals and has not been able to do so. Maurice Jnr seized his single chance to get ahead of Max for average goals with both hands. And now Saints fans try to minimise a guy who averages more goals per game than their so called elite full forward. And their much celebrated cast off small forwards…..

Average goals per game 2022, rounded down because everybody knows you cannot score 0.8 of a goal:

3.0 19yo 3 game veteran Maurice Rioli Jnr, with no main board threads started about him.

2.0 21yo “has arrived” Max King with a highly embarrassing, nauseating main board thread about him.

2.0 23yo “the one that got away ii” Jack Higgins with a ludicrous main board thread about him.

0.0 25 yo “one that got away, the prequel” Dan Butler with a preposterous main board thread about him.


If young Maurice was a Saint it would be frightening the amount of main board threads about him. But because he is an unassuming player from a quiet humble club in Richmond, not a single thread, no matter how justified.

 

[Taylor]

Their family must be so proud to have the boys drafted so early and performing so well, and essentially the same too.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Max has been older on average in the games he has played. And has played in a better team.

So Ben is better.

That's fine and it's possibly valid but it's pretty hard to actually measure the impact that would have.

All we can go on that's certain is output

Max is a fair way ahead statistically and was ahead before the start of the season all be it by a smaller margin.

All you have is hypotheticals - i.e. clutching at straws

 

[g_TRAIN]

yeah Ben been on a terrible terrible team. Plus he is a better kick for goal. i think its clear that Ben is better.

Max still kicks more goals than Ben so I don't know how much it matters.

You're telling me you would prefer someone who kicks fewer goals?

 

[Taylor]

It's 0.1 more goals. One extra goal every ten games. It's not a significant figure.

 

[g_TRAIN]

It's 0.1 more goals. One extra goal every ten games. It's not a significant figure.

Yes but it still doesn't make Ben better does it.

And while kicking goals is the most important aspect for a key forward it's not the only one so the other stats must also factor into the conversation.

 

[MickG88]

So there you go. Max has had 7 chances to get ahead on average goals and has not been able to do so. Maurice Jnr seized his single chance to get ahead of Max for average goals with both hands. And now Saints fans try to minimise a guy who averages more goals per game than their so called elite full forward. And their much celebrated cast off small forwards…..

Average goals per game 2022, rounded down because everybody knows you cannot score 0.8 of a goal:

3.0 19yo 3 game veteran Maurice Rioli Jnr, with no main board threads started about him.

2.0 21yo “has arrived” Max King with a highly embarrassing, nauseating main board thread about him.

2.0 23yo “the one that got away ii” Jack Higgins with a ludicrous main board thread about him.

0.0 25 yo “one that got away, the prequel” Dan Butler with a preposterous main board thread about him.


If young Maurice was a Saint it would be frightening the amount of main board threads about him. But because he is an unassuming player from a quiet humble club in Richmond, not a single thread, no matter how justified.

Maybe look at the average goals over career instead of cherry picking a stat that is over inflated by playing a team that are missing at least 10 of their starting 22.

If you are so steamed that Maurice Rioli doesn't have a thread then why don't you create one? plus "the one that got away" your joking right? Richmond stuck with Jason Castagna and Dan Rioli over both Butler and Higgins so they didn't get away. Richmond threw them away in lieu for other players.

If Maurice Rioli was at Saints he probably wouldn't get a game because before last round he had only kicked 2 goals for 2 games and doesn't bring the pressure that is needed (8 tackles in his career).

 

[danster168]

Max still kicks more goals than Ben so I don't know how much it matters.

You're telling me you would prefer someone who kicks fewer goals?

wow. 0.1 goals. i think ben probably kicks more goals as a % of his teams goals and inside 50's.

also missing goals is a massive momentum killer and can change the whole course of a game.

 

[jwikked]

wow. 0.1 goals. i think ben probably kicks more goals as a % of his teams goals and inside 50's.

also missing goals is a massive momentum killer and can change the whole course of a game.

It's very telling that you have more comments than likes.

 

[g_TRAIN]

wow. 0.1 goals. i think ben probably kicks more goals as a % of his teams goals and inside 50's.

also missing goals is a massive momentum killer and can change the whole course of a game.

Why don't you pull that data up for their respective careers and then you can actually use that in your debate?

But you also have to consider who else Ben King has in the team that might compete with him etc. It ends up getting pretty messy and hard to prove anything

 

[danster168]

Why don't you pull that data up for their respective careers and then you can actually use that in your debate?

But you also have to consider who else Ben King has in the team that might compete with him etc. It ends up getting pretty messy and hard to prove anything

i think both are great players but Bem producing in a horrible bottom 4 team is something that Max hasn't had to deal with. Also the goal kicking accuracy is important to me. because missing easy shots are turnovers/clangers

 

[g_TRAIN]

i think both are great players but Bem producing in a horrible bottom 4 team is something that Max hasn't had to deal with. Also the goal kicking accuracy is important to me. because missing easy shots are turnovers/clangers

Fair enough. I don't agree with your opinion but I understand your point of view.

Ben has been a more reliable shot for goal. Max has been hot and cold, when he's hot he looks like a very nice kick for goal so hopefully, it's something he can sort out and build greater consistency.

 

[MickG88]

i think both are great players but Bem producing in a horrible bottom 4 team is something that Max hasn't had to deal with. Also the goal kicking accuracy is important to me. because missing easy shots are turnovers/clangers

Wasn't Max drafted at 4 and Ben at 6. Wait I see why you think Ben is better than Max because if you didn't swap pick 6 for May then you would of had Ben King. Logic checks out now.

 

[theyellowsash]

lol at saints fans

Neutral: "i think this player is better than yours
Saints fan:

 

[danster168]

Wasn't Max drafted at 4 and Ben at 6. Wait I see why you think Ben is better than Max because if you didn't swap pick 6 for May then you would of had Ben King. Logic checks out now.

lol what are you talking about? It was a flag winning move to pick up May. I'm a little perplexed by your post. May has proven to be the best full back and he helped deliver us a flag. Do you really think any dees fan cares about whichever pick we gave up to get him? lol.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

Isn't the type of player I would want kicking at goal during a big close final

Wouldn't mind him having a shot from 45m out on a sharp angle. 30m out directly in front though....

He has the skill. I think maturity and experience will help him to deliver more consistently. Right now he's the type who will miss all day if he has a shocker early in the game but when he gets some confidence he'll slot them from anywhere.

 

[WillHayward]

The Ben v Max argument has to be one of the dumbest of all big footy arguments.

Both very good. Both extremely similar.

Both also different with different teams and different injury profiles that makes it impossible to compare.

Such a dumb argument.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

May would be giving away 9cm

I suspect, they might be involved in a few contests but won't go head to head directly for this reason.

May will pull his dacks down.

The only way King will even get near it, is if St Kilda's midfield somehow magically dominate and provide him with silver service on the lead - or if May gets shot by a sniper in the first quarter.


May is a nightmare matchup for King.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The Ben v Max argument has to be one of the dumbest of all big footy arguments.

Both very good. Both extremely similar.

Both also different with different teams and different injury profiles that makes it impossible to compare.

Such a dumb argument.

Max's ability, with Ben's mentality would be a superhuman.

 

[Dazb86]

Max is the best player to ever play the game. After retirement the code will be renamed to MaxFL

 

[staffonly]

i think both are great players but Bem producing in a horrible bottom 4 team is something that Max hasn't had to deal with. Also the goal kicking accuracy is important to me. because missing easy shots are turnovers/clangers

So by your theory Touk Miller is far better than Pettracca.