Maxwell

[Jelly Bean]

That chain that went Hayes-Schneider-Dunstan (3rd quarter) all I50 would not have taken place with Maxwell on the ground. There's no doubt our defence functions better with Maxwell leading it, IMO.

Well that is an issue that needs to be addressed then. We need to start grooming the next backline general now who can take us forward over the next 5 years. We are not going to contend now, we will from next year and beyond.

Someone needs to be given the shot / challenge over the next three weeks and needs to play that role. And the backline coaches need to work hard on getting the right person to play that role.

 

[Scodog10]

Well that is an issue that needs to be addressed then. We need to start grooming the next backline general now who can take us forward over the next 5 years. We are not going to contend now, we will from next year and beyond.

Someone needs to be given the shot / challenge over the next three weeks and needs to play that role. And the backline coaches need to work hard on getting the right person to play that role.

He's set to make his VFL debut in the next few weeks so we'll be right

 

[ottoman]

Well that is an issue that needs to be addressed then. We need to start grooming the next backline general now who can take us forward over the next 5 years. We are not going to contend now, we will from next year and beyond.

Someone needs to be given the shot / challenge over the next three weeks and needs to play that role. And the backline coaches need to work hard on getting the right person to play that role.

Langdon is looking more and more composed each week. Is playing like someone with years of experience. I think he could eventually take the backline leadership role.

 

[Jelly Bean]

He's set to make his VFL debut in the next few weeks so we'll be right

Langdon is looking more and more composed each week. Is playing like someone with years of experience. I think he could eventually take the backline leadership role.

Absolutely, those two look like obvious candidates over the longer term. I'm not sure if they will be ready from next year (or next week).

Thinking Keeffe needs to be asked to step up in the meantime. A transitionary general until Langdon and Scharenberg get maturity

 

[piedpiper32]

Absolutely, those two look like obvious candidates over the longer term. I'm not sure if they will be ready from next year (or next week).

Thinking Keeffe needs to be asked to step up in the meantime. A transitionary general until Langdon and Scharenberg get maturity

I agree that we need to develop a replacement leader for Maxwell in the back line, but Keefe would not be my choice. His fragile confidence is his biggest weakness. If things are not going his way he very quickly retreats into his shell and can put up an absolute stinker (see Adelaide game).

The back line general needs to be someone with a cool head on their shoulders, someone who is a natural for that role in directing others. From all accounts Scharenberg has those qualities. I'd say Mr. Iceman himself, Tom Langdon, has potential although for now he seems like the quieter type. Given he's only 19(!!!) that's something which can come with time, especially as he is meant to be future leadership material. I'd have no issues with grooming them even now if they have the right character for it.

That is why Maxwell should also be asked to play another year after this one IMO. His knowledge, leadership skills, and ability to relate to teammates is second to none and even if he wasn't getting picked in the seniors for every game next year he would still be very valuable to have around the team, playing both seniors and VFL. After that do whatever it takes to keep him on in a development/coaching role

 

[Jelly Bean]

I'd hope Maxy plays a VFL mentoring role next year, but not on the senior list anymore.

 

[mike123]

So we smashed the Saints last night without him and from memory last year when he was out we I think we played extremely well too.

So the question should be asked are we a better team, more balanced and what not without the former captain?
This isn't an attack on Maxy but a query on whether the team is a better unit without him!

Langdon plays the Maxwell role, Young and Lumumba play the Langdon role and Seedsman goes on the wing

 

[Pie eyed]

So we smashed the Saints last night without him and from memory last year when he was out we I think we played extremely well too.

So the question should be asked are we a better team, more balanced and what not without the former captain?
This isn't an attack on Maxy but a query on whether the team is a better unit without him!

Now compare the West Coast game....
Then /thread.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

I'd hope Maxy plays a VFL mentoring role next year, but not on the senior list anymore.

Maxwell is crucial to our performances in important games.
He is gonna need more rests, but I haven't seen anything this year to suggest that won't continue to play his role well if he hangs around. (In fact I think he has been much better this year than last).

 

[jackcass]

How many of the saints goals were because or back six lost their structure? Half? Two thirds?

That's why Maxwell is so important, on top of the contests he shuts downs

Exactly. Makes sure players get to where they need to be or makes sure they know it when they don't do their job to team expectation (ie: slap of Fasolo's shoulder). Just purely on exposed 2014 form, Maxy deserves his place in the team. I'm sure he'd love an Oxley or a Scharenberg to force him out of the senior team but doesn't look like it'll be this year.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

He's a liability on the field. All the positioning stuff should be coached in to the players.
Players with skill and speed, composure and good decision making are what we need.
It's no coincidence that we had our biggest win and best 4 qtr victory after he left the field on Friday night.
Seedsman was a massive upgrade on the sub.
Ball is going to have to relinquish his spot too.
It's going to be hard for the old timers here to cope with but it's time to usher in a new era.

 

[jackcass]

Well that is an issue that needs to be addressed then. We need to start grooming the next backline general now who can take us forward over the next 5 years. We are not going to contend now, we will from next year and beyond.

Someone needs to be given the shot / challenge over the next three weeks and needs to play that role. And the backline coaches need to work hard on getting the right person to play that role.

Yes it us an issue but one I'm sure they're working on. When you think back to when Maxy started to learn the caper he had a fairly experienced group to guide him. Sadly in 2014 that isn't the case now with so many inexperienced kids holding down the defensive positions. I think Keeffe will become a general given time and Scharenberg is strong in this area so there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

^ I took one look at your username. (oops - was directed at bringbackbrad)... you probably have more of an agenda than anyone else on bigfooty.

Do you really think a blowout victory against an inexperienced Saints side is representative of how we will go against top 4 teams?

 

[rand corp]

Its a big ask but I would love Maxy to captain the VFL side for a year or two once he does pull the pin.

Was sorely missed on the weekend, once he went off we had no one out there to belt Fasolo!

 

[jackcass]

^ I took one look at your username. (oops - was directed at bringbackbrad)... you probably have more of an agenda than anyone else on bigfooty.

Do you really think a blowout victory against an inexperienced Saints side is representative of how we will go against top 4 teams?

Me?

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Me?

Nah - we posted at the same time - I have edited it

 

[Pie eyed]

Maxwell is crucial to our performances in important games.
He is gonna need more rests, but I haven't seen anything this year to suggest that won't continue to play his role well if he hangs around. (In fact I think he has been much better this year than last).

I was interested to hear, from Davis(GWS), that Maxie rang him to offer support when he had his life threatening liver injury. I had forgotten Maxwell had a torn Liver in 2011.
The blokes an inspiration and required player.
It confounds me where the negativity on this board comes from outside of pure spite or pig-headedness?

 

[UpTheMags]

So we smashed the Saints last night without him and from memory last year when he was out we I think we played extremely well too.

So the question should be asked are we a better team, more balanced and what not without the former captain?
This isn't an attack on Maxy but a query on whether the team is a better unit without him!

the number of times against the saints where they took marks in the pocket and found someone unmarked inboard. and the number of times riewoldt found himself on toovey or elliott... that doesnt happen nearly as often with maxy in the side cos he marshalls everyone. and lets not forget his 4-5 intercept marks a game... hes re-established himself this year and on his current form he'll be in there next year too

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

the number of times against the saints where they took marks in the pocket and found someone unmarked inboard. and the number of times riewoldt found himself on toovey or elliott... that doesnt happen nearly as often with maxy in the side cos he marshalls everyone. and lets not forget his 4-5 intercept marks a game... hes re-established himself this year and on his current form he'll be in there next year too

You're bloody right we barely ever concede a goal when maxwell is in the team. The marshalling of the troops is real important and we never leak 8 goals in a qtr against Carlton, or get smashed by freo or anything like that cos Maxy is there marshalling the troops.

 

[Pie eyed]

And of course just outright belligerent trolls..

 

[1061]

the number of times against the saints where they took marks in the pocket and found someone unmarked inboard. and the number of times riewoldt found himself on toovey or elliott... that doesnt happen nearly as often with maxy in the side cos he marshalls everyone. and lets not forget his 4-5 intercept marks a game... hes re-established himself this year and on his current form he'll be in there next year too

Look at the result overall, our actual performance as a TEAM was better.

I was interested to hear, from Davis(GWS), that Maxie rang him to offer support when he had his life threatening liver injury. I had forgotten Maxwell had a torn Liver in 2011.
The blokes an inspiration and required player.
It confounds me where the negativity on this board comes from outside of pure spite or pig-headedness?

So the blokes an inspiration for some and so that means he can play forever and everything he does will be legendary?

Maybe we should bring back bucks as well?

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

And of course just outright belligerent trolls..

Well there's no worse troll than you here.

 

[Bring_Back_Brad]

Well that is an issue that needs to be addressed then. We need to start grooming the next backline general now who can take us forward over the next 5 years. We are not going to contend now, we will from next year and beyond.

Someone needs to be given the shot / challenge over the next three weeks and needs to play that role. And the backline coaches need to work hard on getting the right person to play that role.

I think the whole idea that we need a general in the backline is stupid.
How about we get a team of players who understand their roles and work well together, and rely on their skills and talents.
Do other functioning backlines a have a 'general'?
Do we have a general marshalling the troops in the forward line or the midfield?
Maxwell came at a time when we were short on talent and he extended his capabilities by taking a leadership role in the back line. Doesn't mean we need that forever.

 

[well left]

Same would have been said in 2010 about Brown and Reid. You may be right but I think it is too early to call. I would like, and I think they will do it, for us to try Reid forward when he returns to see how that structure works.

If it doesn't, or further injuries force it, then Reid goes back. Best case would be Keefe and Frost hold up at the back and Reid goes forward. That is the dream

There are similarities to 2010. Brown only played 13 that year as did Presti and Reid 21.

Brown only came back in late and played last 6-8 for memory.

The question this year is can Frost play the full year like Reid did and can Keeffe play the year out from here. They are both older than Reid and Brown were in 2010 but they will tire.

The benefit for us if they do is we have a AA CHB sitting in the forward 50 if we need.... and if his body holds up!

 

[ottoman]

I think the whole idea that we need a general in the background is stupid.
How about we get a team of players who understand their roles and work well together, and rely on their skills and talents.
Do other functioning backlines a have a 'general'?
Do we have a general marshalling the troops in the forward line or the midfield?
Maxwell came at a time when we were short on talent and he extended his capabilities by taking a leadership role in the back line. Doesn't need we need that forever.

You do know this is a team sport and in every team sport there are leaders. You shouldn't get too bogged down on the term 'general'. It's just being used to refer to him as a very good leader. Which he is