McCarthy goes home

[free at last]

Only my friends call me Tubby.

Ohh you said Gubby. My bad. No I'm not.

Are you the fan that coward punched the poor lady at the match?

Yep...I'm telepathically telling the WA minister for corrective services what to write on BF as I'm not allowed access to public forums from being behind bars.

 

[grouse mate]

So many badasses calling Cam soft behind their key boards when they havnt got a clue what's going on, the dregs of society have gravitated to this thread.

GWS have a duty of care to sort this problem out they have handled it poorly, it's about the person now not about making a stand on not trading him.

So tell us what it is then?

 

[peasantbruh69]

He shouldn't have signed a contract extension if he didn't like GWS

 

[The 747]

So many badasses calling Cam soft behind their key boards when they havnt got a clue what's going on, the dregs of society have gravitated to this thread.

GWS have a duty of care to sort this problem out they have handled it poorly, it's about the person now not about making a stand on not trading him.

Let me guess they should sort the problem by trading him to Freo for unders

 

[LittleG]

Missed the part where he is contracted for a further 2 years and freo desperately need a forward

No one else wanted him, you need multiple buyers to drive up the price.
And IF you choose to keep unhappy players, in would hate to play in that team.

 

[Blackas87]

I hope he plays WAFL in 2016

He can't as he's contracted to GWS, can't play anywhere but GWS unless they release him.

 

[leeloo]

Gee this thread is awful. Hard to believe that they have a mod notice pinned up on the top of that board regarding getting help for depression and anxiety and still the comments come. Shows that we are a long way from understanding this issue.

I mean, his future is about getting himself better, not if he should have been traded and who he will play for next year.

 

[Demons09]

So tell us what it is then?

I don't know what it is but an AFL club sending a player hone would have to be in the serious bracket but I don't hide behind a keyboard and call someone soft based on assumptions.

 

[Colonial]

So many badasses calling Cam soft behind their key boards when they havnt got a clue what's going on, the dregs of society have gravitated to this thread.

GWS have a duty of care to sort this problem out they have handled it poorly, it's about the person now not about making a stand on not trading him.

Hense we have given him indefinite leave back home. Fail to see how we havent looked after him.

 

[Hawkers]

GWS have done nothing wrong.

 

[Armchair Critic]

because if you back out of a contract you can start work somewhere else the next day

McCarthy can start work the next day. Just not in the AFL

 

[Demons09]

Let me guess they should sort the problem by trading him to Freo for unders

They have granted him leave so there is a problem no?

Hense we have given him indefinite leave back home. Fail to see how we havent looked after him.

Well if its got to this stage it's pretty serious, no you havn't looked after him.

 

[Sultan]

So many badasses calling Cam soft behind their key boards when they havnt got a clue what's going on, the dregs of society have gravitated to this thread.

GWS have a duty of care to sort this problem out they have handled it poorly, it's about the person now not about making a stand on not trading him.

There have been so many Freo supporters droning on about GWS breaching their duty of care. I think allowing Cam to have indefinite leave from the club is showing that they do respect their duty of care.

 

[Colonial]

They have granted him leave so there is a problem no? Up to GE


Well if its got to this stage it's pretty serious, no you havn't looked after him.

Yeah we have. Just because we didnt bend ourselves over for freo doesnt mean we havent.
Yes it seems to have gotten worse but the club has done nothing wrong and is trying to help the lad

 

[Blackas87]

They have granted him leave so there is a problem no?


Well if its got to this stage it's pretty serious, no you havn't looked after him.

Cam hasn't looked after himself, he shouldn't be playing AFL if its come to this.

 

[imperial_oz]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-09/dockers-to-offer-two-firstround-picks-for-giant-mccarthy

says the Dockers were offering 1st round for two years. Was his manager dreaming or was that the real offer? Probably BS. If it was the real offer then it is worth 1,067 points times two equals 2,134 points over two years which is between picks 3 and 4 in any one year. That's what I thought was a fair offer. When GWS have Cameron and Patton I don't get their obsession with keeping McCathy. With GWS having multiple high quality kids in their Academy over the next few years they need the points so trading was sensible to me.

You are entirely correct. First round draft picks were offered, one in consecutive years.

You also need to factor that McCarthy has spent more time playing NEAFL than AFL plus when GWS have a fit list, he's back to NEAFL. Still, its their choice but running assets into the ground is bad business.

It matters not anymore. McCarthy's focus should be on his health and not football regardless of where he would otherwise be playing. GWS focus should be on McCarthy's health as well but I wonder if it will work out that way of they will just continue the spin. It might also be worth thinking about getting out of football completely until his health is restored

 

[Suma Magic]

So what do the two arguments boil down to?

1. GWS should have traded him for unders because he was homesick.
2. GWS shouldn't be obligated to trade him for unders because he was homesick.

 

[Testekill]

He shouldn't have signed a contract extension if he didn't like GWS

He signed it in April of 2014, less than six months after being signed to the club and about four or five months before he even debuted.

 

[Forward Press]

Not sure how this is GWS or Fremantles fault. seems like GWS didn't want to trade him and the Fremantle would only trade for him on their terms.

GWS appear to not want to trade him as he is a required player (best 22 or close to) and backed their culture in to change his mind.

Fremantle clearly wanted him but not at the expense of their current list management strategy so we're only interested in using draft picks to secure him. Bennell was the clear priority.

I am probably a little different than most because I believe Fremantle have already drafted their Pav replacement (Apeness), he has just been hit by injuries. Maybe that was Fremantles point of view too.

I think that it was McCarthy and his management who approached Fremantle to get a trade done, not Fremantle who approached McCarthy. Of course their response would be something along the lines of "would love to have you..... If we can facilitate a trade. Before we start, we are thinking you are worth around $X. Is that suitable? Ok, we'll contact GWS".

GWS say no, not interested. Fremantle have no where to move due to their lack of trade currency (no top 10 picks, Bennell coming in, no players wanting to leave).

The people that have acted poorly in this are not GWS or Fremantle but Cam McCarthy and Colin Young.

Colin Young seems to have this attitude of "Whatever it takes" for his clients. This may seem like a good idea for them, but he has no problem burning bridges to get them and him his paycheck.

He has made it very difficult for a young guy to return to his workplace where he has a contract. His all or nothing approach has done so much harm I question his ability to actually do right by his young clients.

And Cam should have accepted the GWS decision months ago, apologised, put his head down and torn up the track.

Unfortunately it is now just a mess and Colin Young won't be the knee to suffer but Cam McCarthy and GWS.

Possibly the most sensible post in this thread, although I am of the view that Colin Young pushed the move more than Cam McCarthy. I don't think either GWS or Freo are at fault here, or that GWS mismanaged McCarthy. They backed themselves to change his mind, and they failed (apparently, so far). So what? Not the first club to make a list management error, and certainly not the last.

 

[BF Tiger]

So what do the two arguments boil down to?

1. GWS should have traded him for unders because he was homesick.
2. GWS shouldn't be obligated to trade him for unders because he was homesick.

And no-one has done anything wrong really.

McCarthy presumably signed a contract in good faith. He has also kept GWS informed of his difficulties.

GWS have asked for a contract to be honoured. They have offered support to McCarthy by allowing him more time in the west over the off-season and now indefinite leave. They didn't accept a trade offer, which was their right.

Fremantle offered a trade that was rejected by GWS, and chose not to increase their offer.

 

[imperial_oz]

So what do the two arguments boil down to?

1. GWS should have traded him for unders because he was homesick.
2. GWS shouldn't be obligated to trade him for unders because he was homesick.

No, thats ignoring most of what happened and trivialising everything, which would I guess par for the course for some posters.

GWS should be taking steps to manage their list for the long term benefit of the club. List management also includes man management and providing a safe workplace for all employees. Without knowing the details of McCarthy's problems its impossible to say whether or not GWS should have traded him.

There remains the possibility that GWS have mismanaged this situation into a serious health issue when it could have been avoided, as other clubs have done it the past, including mine but all this talk of settling for unders is pretty trivial when dealing with a player's health issues, don't you think?

 

[Blackas87]

He signed it in April of 2014, less than six months after being signed to the club and about four or five months before he even debuted.

So he shouldn't of signed it then.

 

[Suma Magic]

No, thats ignoring most of what happened and trivialising everything, which would I guess par for the course for some posters.

GWS should be taking steps to manage their list for the long term benefit of the club. List management also includes man management and providing a safe workplace for all employees. Without knowing the details of McCarthy's problems its impossible to say whether or not GWS should have traded him.

There remains the possibility that GWS have mismanaged this situation into a serious health issue when it could have been avoided, as other clubs have done it the past, including mine but all this talk of settling for unders is pretty trivial when dealing with a player's health issues, don't you think?

Agreed that wanting a player for unders is trivial compared to the issues he is facing.

But that suggestion keeps getting raised. I just think it's in poor taste somewhat.

 

[Apex36]

Western Sydney and Sydney are 2 different places. Are you that stupid?

This is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far. And there's been a lot of dumb things to read...

 

[javaguice]

Dockers fans are so lol.... U guys wouldn't give a rat's sack of his issues if he nominated eagles. Now u all act like organisational therapists ... Think of the children for God sake!!!11!!