Is that you Scotty?
MCG tenants on Grand Final day
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Is that you Scotty?
We ALL agree ...... there’s no empirical evidence to support an advantage AT ALL relating to the thread ....... tenants on GF day.
FINALLY ....... thanks!!
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The Arc@TheArcFooty
· May 20, 2018
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I’ll buy that the home ground/state advantage is attenuated in GFs because the crowd is more mixed/neutral than usual. But I think it’s silly to pretend there’s no advantage.
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“It’s always been like that”
“The G’s the only ground big enough”
“The interstate teams knew what they were getting into”
“Other leagues have a fixed final ground too”
All of these things are true and none of them in any way disprove the idea that HGA exists in GFs
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Tourism WA Perth couldn’t buy the NRL GF, even when the NRL unhappy with Stadium Arrangement in NSW...and you somehow equate that to the NRL looking after the league as a whole!?
And the NRL GF is also locked in in Sydney for another generation.
Why do you keep quoting references that actually disagree with the point?
The arc doesn’t think it is an MCG tenancy issue, just a Vic issue!
Your ABC article that you keep quoting also flags that they think a third of any regular advantage is lost due to neutral crowd.
So yes, all the experts agree that regular home advantage doesn’t hold...and the arc Bloke actually thinks being a MCG tenant doesn’t even matter...so he clearly doesn’t rate ground familiarity!
The arc doesn’t think it is an MCG tenancy issue, just a Vic issue!
Your ABC article that you keep quoting also flags that they think a third of any regular advantage is lost due to neutral crowd.
So yes, all the experts agree that regular home advantage doesn’t hold...and the arc Bloke actually thinks being a MCG tenant doesn’t even matter...so he clearly doesn’t rate ground familiarity!
The money went to the nrl - not just nsw
The granny got signed to vic for 30 years for a bunch of stuff for victorians only.
NRL grand final set to stay in Sydney until 2042 after stadium deal
The NRL grand final is set to remain in Sydney until 2042 after the NSW Government committed to redeveloping ANZ Stadium into a rectangular configuration.
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NRL agreed to keep GF in NSW because the NSW govt going to invest in new stadiums in NSW that will benefit ALL NRL fans?? How do WA or QLD NRL fans benefit??
how is that any different from the AFL agreeing to keep GF in Vic because the VIc govt agreed to invest in new stadiums in VIC?
You arent quoting the article i was referencingNRL grand final set to stay in Sydney until 2042 after stadium deal
The NRL grand final is set to remain in Sydney until 2042 after the NSW Government committed to redeveloping ANZ Stadium into a rectangular configuration.www.nrl.com
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NRL agreed to keep GF in NSW because the NSW govt going to invest in new stadiums in NSW that will benefit ALL NRL fans?? How do WA or QLD NRL fans benefit??
how is that any different from the AFL agreeing to keep GF in Vic because the VIc govt agreed to invest in new stadiums in VIC?
The NRL money was only $10M, it was really just compensation for them losing their 80k stadium for 2 years and having to play the GF at the shitty SCG in front of 45k. They got their GF signed for 30 years for a bunch of stuff for nswelshman only.
Your article is at best a red herring, at worst more examples of you highlighting you don’t get what you are arguing.
NRL signed an extension to keep NRL GF in Sydney for another 25 years in 2018, on the proviso that NSW Govt invested in NSW stadium upgrades. No different to AFL and Vic Govt.
The NRL now shitty that part of stadium redevelopment will see them without preferential large stadium for a couple of years...and instead be forced to host GF at SCG if staying in NSW.
So to keep them happy the NSW chipped in another $10m.
So yeah, if in 2030 it is known that GSS at the G will be out of action for reconstruction...AFL might go we ain’t happy with hosting a GF there in that condition. And if the Vic Govt chips in an extra $20m to ensure they play it in Melbourne at Etihad you will be happy, as the $20mil benefits the AFL!!
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I'm not against shifting the grand final from the MCG, although I think the game would be poorer for it.
But I do think that home ground advantage is lower in finals than the home and away. In the home and away teams know that when it gets tough on the road they can cop a loss and there will be next week. It's why so many teams fail down in Geelong, just too hard. In finals everything is left out on the field.
The evidence for this is the fact that interstate teams have had no issues winning flags.
But I do think that home ground advantage is lower in finals than the home and away. In the home and away teams know that when it gets tough on the road they can cop a loss and there will be next week. It's why so many teams fail down in Geelong, just too hard. In finals everything is left out on the field.
The evidence for this is the fact that interstate teams have had no issues winning flags.
Yes and it was agreed in a very underhanded way between the Victorian Government and the AFL hierarchy. From what has been reported that no consultation about this agreement extension was made from the AFL hierarchy to the Clubs who form part of the AFL. Very sneaky to say the least and very unethical and lacking professionalism. Which is why so many think the AFL is corrupt - but of course the tenants of the MCG will always be looked after!The stats say what they say now but otherwise we have to wait? why are you being a little girl and sooking it up in this thread over something that needs more time to come to the fore. God damn. You egirls are dumb as s**t. This is you btw >
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Is that grab from the arc commenting on hga in grand finals, or something else altogether? They could be talking about any number of things with that one sentence. Can you post the whole topic for some context?
they also state in the article the crowd being more mixed than a regular season game, but still remains an overwhelming majority of support for the local Victorian side. Hardly nuetral
The problem with always hosting the AFL grand final at the MCG
West Coast finished higher on the AFL ladder than Collingwood but will cede home field advantage in the biggest game of the season. Is that fair, and what, if anything, is the alternative?
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Just think of the Pakistani cricket team. They haven't had a home game for a decade. Don't see many of their supporters in here whinging about it. And I can only imagine the melts if Chris Scott was their national coach.
Not sure you could fit every vic team playing non vic teams home and away in the same season - you'd have to increase the fixture.
Unless you have vic teams away from vic more often which wouldn't work because the fans would have less access to their teams games, HQ and the clubs won't go for it.
Your idea is a "see how you like it" post. Nothing of any real solution.
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Yeah, thought Pakistani cricket followers would be all over this thread too
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and yet, in the AFL, over the past 20 years, non Vic teams win more H&A games than they lose....
That must be some 'disadvantage'...
and of course, that ADVANTAGE in H&A, means you get more home finals in the first 3 weeks, and thus are more likely to make the GF...even if you're not quite as good....which would explain non Vic teams losing GFs to Vic teams more often...the better team (ie, the Vic team, which had the harder journey to get there) demonstrated it on the day.
But yeah, whatever...
Which of these other pro sports have half of their fanbase in one city? Or are you just comparing apples and oranges?
Yes, but of course, that applies to you, doesn't it? You're just "a dude from Australia" whose team clearly benefits, but you still sook and claim to be right.
But yeah whatever.
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If only the Eagles players had showed this much fight in that last home game against Hawthorn...
MCG should have no tennants.
Collingwood - Vic Park
Essendon - Windy Hill
Melbourne - Ethihd
Hawthorn - Waverley
Geelong - Simmonds
Bulldogs - Whitten Oval
Carlton - Princess Park
Then MCG is used for big games and rotated each week so all clubs get equal games there over the year.
Collingwood - Vic Park
Essendon - Windy Hill
Melbourne - Ethihd
Hawthorn - Waverley
Geelong - Simmonds
Bulldogs - Whitten Oval
Carlton - Princess Park
Then MCG is used for big games and rotated each week so all clubs get equal games there over the year.
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Check out the last 10 years. Even discount the first few years of GC and GWS. Looks like Victorian clubs have the better winning %
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Yep!
And the AFL owned Marvel Stadium just get 4000 to watch Melb?
Tigers kicked out?
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When I provided the results since 2000, I was told it wasn't a big enough sample size to mean anything.
Nice little dig at Carlton there.
