Injury Medics - Levi in for surgery

[magpies42]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-19/mid-greenwood-becomes-third-pie-to-go-under-the-knife

Our medics have had a shocking offseason, another that should have been operated on post season.

Get well Levi, an important cog...

 

[jmac70]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-19/mid-greenwood-becomes-third-pie-to-go-under-the-knife

Our medics have had a shocking offseason, another that should have been operated on post season.

Get well Levi, an important cog...

The medics in question are probably not "ours." Just experts we have sought advice from. Seems like a relatively minor injury / surgery.

 

[magpies42]

The medics in question are probably not "ours." Just experts we have sought advice from. Seems like a relatively minor injury / surgery.

You’re probably right, but still...
Any set back in preseason is not ideal. Although he is one of our more players, is a bull...good to have raring for finals

 

[left at home]

They would have consulted specialists in the field, that l doubt club doctors would overrule.

 

[Kappa]

They would have consulted specialists in the field, that l doubt club doctors would overrule.

It's a medial ligament, not brain surgery. Surely the clubs staff would have enough talent and experience to be experts with knee ligaments

 

[left at home]

It's a medial ligament, not brain surgery. Surely the clubs staff would have enough talent and experience to be experts with knee ligaments

How many doctors do you know that will go against a specialist in there field.
Another specialist in the same field yes, but not to many who are not.
Been to many.
That why they consult them, to make those decisions.

 

[Kappa]

How many doctors do you know that will go against a specialist in there field.
Another specialist in the same field yes, but not to many who are not.
Been to many.
That why they consult them, to make those decisions.

I would of thought at least 1 of the club doctors would have some form of speciality in knee injuries considering how common and important they are to the AFL industry.

Is that guy making the wrong call or is just another case of "bad luck" ?

 

[Good Degoe]

 

[THATSGOLD]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2017-12-19/mid-greenwood-becomes-third-pie-to-go-under-the-knife

Our medics have had a shocking offseason, another that should have been operated on post season.

Get well Levi, an important cog...

Wow. How’s the timing of this shit.

 

[THATSGOLD]

The medics in question are probably not "ours." Just experts we have sought advice from. Seems like a relatively minor injury / surgery.

Probably got them on the cheap. Eddie has been cutting corners for a while and posted some huge losses of late.

 

[Good Degoe]

Probably got them on the cheap. Eddie has been cutting corners for a while and posted some huge losses of late.

Liar

 

[jmac70]

Probably got them on the cheap. Eddie has been cutting corners for a while and posted some huge losses of late.

Unlikely.

 

[Vicky Park]

Probably got them on the cheap. Eddie has been cutting corners for a while and posted some huge losses of late.

Where are all these 'cheap' doctors and specialists hiding TG? Maybe we just consult medical students, as part of our outreach into the community.

 

[Finnishpie]

Hope to see Levi back, but at least it's not one of our elite players, like Elliot ... er, anyway, we can cover him while he's out and he'll be handy when back.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Wow. It's not even 2018 yet and already 3 important pre-season are being hindered by injury/surgery.

Yeesh.

 

[Scodog10]

Wow. It's not even 2018 yet and already 3 important pre-season are being hindered by injury/surgery.

Yeesh.

Greenwood important? Might as well throw in the towel for 2018 if he’s considered important! In terms of setbacks this is about a 2 on the richter scale with a depth player missing 6 weeks of training, but it’s beginning to get ugly for the medicos, IMO.

How many doctors do you know that will go against a specialist in there field.
Another specialist in the same field yes, but not to many who are not.
Been to many.
That why they consult them, to make those decisions.

I’m part way with you and can certainly understand where you’re coming from, but where’s the accountability? I mean sure the specialist can diagnose rest I have no real issue with that, but the club is within their rights to seek alternate opinions just as they did both times with Elliott when rest was initially diagnosed by one specialist only for it to fail.

I’m not going to apportion blame I just think that there’s mounting evidence against the current practices. Other clubs aren’t facing similar issues so what are we doing differently? We just conducted a massive review of the club so how is this stuff still popping up after our injury profile of the past 4-5 seasons? This and Elliott’s injuries aren’t the result of different training patterns, but lingering issues that could have been prevented with a different course of action.

If I were the club docs I wouldn’t want this coming back on me, but unfortunately that’s how elite sport works someone is made accountable. Unless you’re at Collingwood of course

 

[Toecrusher]

It's a medial ligament, not brain surgery. Surely the clubs staff would have enough talent and experience to be experts with knee ligaments

Some on these simpler surgeries should be addressed quickly at the end of the season. I understand the medical professionals like to take a conservative approach, but that can be extremely costly when it doesn't work, and in this offseason, we've clearly stuffed up.

I notice the club has made a point of saying an external specialist recommended resting. The real question is, are other clubs having these types of late surgeries? If not, then our buck-passing the blame to the specialist is just another example of us trying to cover up our incompetence.

It's hard enough to win games without injuries carried over from the previous season. Hopefully we don't have too many other pre-season issues to deal with.

 

[frizzle]

Greenwood important? Might as well throw in the towel for 2018 if he’s considered important! In terms of setbacks this is about a 2 on the richter scale with a depth player missing 6 weeks of training, but it’s beginning to get ugly for the medicos, IMO.



I’m part way with you and can certainly understand where you’re coming from, but where’s the accountability? I mean sure the specialist can diagnose rest I have no real issue with that, but the club is within their rights to seek alternate opinions just as they did both times with Elliott when rest was initially diagnosed by one specialist only for it to fail.

I’m not going to apportion blame I just think that there’s mounting evidence against the current practices. Other clubs aren’t facing similar issues so what are we doing differently? We just conducted a massive review of the club so how is this stuff still popping up after our injury profile of the past 4-5 seasons? This and Elliott’s injuries aren’t the result of different training patterns, but lingering issues that could have been prevented with a different course of action.

If I were the club docs I wouldn’t want this coming back on me, but unfortunately that’s how elite sport works someone is made accountable. Unless you’re at Collingwood of course

I'm neither here nor there with regards to Greenwood, but the rest of your post hit the nail right on the head. If your getting poor advice from external experts then it's time to replace them with better experts. The review was supposed to include everything including our injury saga. But right now it's same sh!t different day & we are actually doing it to ourselves by listening to people who are getting it wrong & costing us months for players who need a big pre season.

We need Elliott as much, if not more than any player on our forward line & through bad advice he will be playing catch up with his pre season campaign.
Greenwood is probably playing for his career & he certainly can't afford too many setbacks. Both of these players would have had surgery in September instead of December if we had gotten the correct course of action after the season was finished. Now if our medical guys didn't want to make the call & used outside sources for diagnoses & rehab advice that's fine. But as Sco says there has to be some accountability as to who decided where we sent our guys for this advice, because they cost us valuable pre season time. We must do this better in future. Anybody think of any other clubs that are sending players in for post season surgery in December?

 

[DaVe86]

It just seems like every decision our medical experts are making are missing the mark entirely. That's 4 players who have had to have relatively late surgeries after carrying injuries into pre-season.

This compounds a number of examples last year as well. I believe Goldsack and Elliott also had similar stories in last pre-season.

It would be interesting to know how many other players consulted experts and the advice was correct. We only hear about the wrong opinions.

I'm just not hearing of any other sides sending their players for surgery in December. We seem to be the only one.

I suppose you have to live and die by the decisions. From the outside looking in, we have a number of top 22 players currently on the sidelines and in doubt for round one, when they could have had the operation earlier in the off-season. Greenwood for me is still best 22 (fringe).

It also doesn't help that we don't have a doctor at the moment. Surely this has a bearing.

 

[Scodog10]

I'm neither here nor there with regards to Greenwood, but the rest of your post hit the nail right on the head. If your getting poor advice from external experts then it's time to replace them with better experts. The review was supposed to include everything including our injury saga. But right now it's same sh!t different day & we are actually doing it to ourselves by listening to people who are getting it wrong & costing us months for players who need a big pre season.

We need Elliott as much, if not more than any player on our forward line & through bad advice he will be playing catch up with his pre season campaign.
Greenwood is probably playing for his career & he certainly can't afford too many setbacks. Both of these players would have had surgery in September instead of December if we had gotten the correct course of action after the season was finished. Now if our medical guys didn't want to make the call & used outside sources for diagnoses & rehab advice that's fine. But as Sco says there has to be some accountability as to who decided where we sent our guys for this advice, because they cost us valuable pre season time. We must do this better in future. Anybody think of any other clubs that are sending players in for post season surgery in December?

I just want to add to this and my earlier post to include that I have no real issue with us continuing to use this specialist or any other for that matter. I would like to think though that as a result of the review our internal processes and how we act on advice would have improved. Sadly that doesn’t appear to be the case and there seems to be a severe lack of accountability still. I can’t comment on the advice itself though.

FWIW Heeney, Henderson and Roughead have recently had surgery so we aren’t isolated we’ve just copped more and on the back of the review it’s extremely hard to swallow.

 

[regpies]

We need to see some different doctors and specialists. This is embarrassing how often this happens

 

[BigCharlie]

FWIW Heeney, Henderson and Roughead have recently had surgery so we aren’t isolated we’ve just copped more and on the back of the review it’s extremely hard to swallow.

Quite different cases. Heeney and Roughead experienced minor discomfort since commencing pre-season, and the decision was made to operate now, not rest. Henderson had been experiencing pain and restriction since an operation in October, and had further surgery.

It appears that no one at the CFC wants to nail down a diagnosis and course of action - apart from rest, which has proven to be the wrong course.

The medics in question are probably not "ours." Just experts we have sought advice from. Seems like a relatively minor injury / surgery.

Why do you need to seek outside advice for a relatively minor (medial knee ligament) injury?

And the medics in question are indeed "ours", since the medical personnel made a decision to use them for another opinion.

 

[JB1975]

Why do you need to seek outside advice for a relatively minor (medial knee ligament) injury?

Outside expertise would ultimately have to perform the surgery, so you'd think that a surgeon might have been consulted about the efficacy of surgery at the time.

 

[left at home]

Greenwood important? Might as well throw in the towel for 2018 if he’s considered important! In terms of setbacks this is about a 2 on the richter scale with a depth player missing 6 weeks of training, but it’s beginning to get ugly for the medicos, IMO.



I’m part way with you and can certainly understand where you’re coming from, but where’s the accountability? I mean sure the specialist can diagnose rest I have no real issue with that, but the club is within their rights to seek alternate opinions just as they did both times with Elliott when rest was initially diagnosed by one specialist only for it to fail.

I’m not going to apportion blame I just think that there’s mounting evidence against the current practices. Other clubs aren’t facing similar issues so what are we doing differently? We just conducted a massive review of the club so how is this stuff still popping up after our injury profile of the past 4-5 seasons? This and Elliott’s injuries aren’t the result of different training patterns, but lingering issues that could have been prevented with a different course of action.

If I were the club docs I wouldn’t want this coming back on me, but unfortunately that’s how elite sport works someone is made accountable. Unless you’re at Collingwood of course

My only beef is we take it seems to long to get another opinion, when it is not healing. Pcl’s l know is they call rest every time, unless it’s a bad tear.
This is the one where they have had ample time to get to seek a third opinion, but have not, not sure why.

 

[Scodog10]

Quite different cases. Heeney and Roughead experienced minor discomfort since commencing pre-season, and the decision was made to operate now, not rest. Henderson had been experiencing pain and restriction since an operation in October, and had further surgery.

It appears that no one at the CFC wants to nail down a diagnosis and course of action - apart from rest, which has proven to be the wrong course.



Why do you need to seek outside advice for a relatively minor (medial knee ligament) injury?

And the medics in question are indeed "ours", since the medical personnel made a decision to use them for another opinion.

I can’t really argue the specifics of their surgeries, why they went in late and why we’re so consistently dropping the ball, but Heeney and Roughead at least fit the criteria of the question. No doubting we seem to be league worst although there are other clubs sending players in for postseason surgery late in 2017.