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[VineyIsLORD]

I literally make a living from my knowledge of economics and have literally only studied economics and political theory.

But you are coming from a position of a demonstrated lack of knowledge on the topic, so you thinking that i am some student politician type only reinforces how bad your analysis of political and economic theory and history actually is.

You seem like a nice enough guy Mal and we agree on a lot more than we disagree. I just dont think either of us have any chance of convincing each other of anything at this point. Cheerio and enjoy your weekend.

 

[igon value]

I literally make a living from my knowledge of economics and have literally only studied economics and political theory.

But you are coming from a position of a demonstrated lack of knowledge on the topic, so you thinking that i am some student politician type only reinforces how bad your analysis of political and economic theory and history actually is.

You seem like a nice enough guy Mal and we agree on a lot more than we disagree. I just dont think either of us have any chance of convincing each other of anything at this point. Cheerio and enjoy your weekend.

Is argumentum ad wikipedia a thing? Malifice just spams people with wikipedia links to connect the dots in poorly drawn arguments until they give up.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Is argumentum ad wikipedia a thing? Malifice just spams people with wikipedia links to connect the dots in poorly drawn arguments until they give up.

He has previously wiki-claimed that the Black Panthers were a right wing group and that all socialists and communists are right wing.

I feel like he has very recently started studying a financial planning or mortgage lending TAFE course.

But overall he seems like a decent bloke on most issues and seems to be pragmatic in his analysis of any given issue. He is just very confused and clumsy on the theoretical and ideology side of things.

 

[Malifice]

I literally make a living from my knowledge of economics and have literally only studied economics and political theory.

Well, if you think [economics] is = to [politcal theory] after studying your course, you need a refund.

There is a corelation, dont get me wrong. But they are not the same thing. No amount of you claiming that to be true, makes it so.

But you are coming from a position of a demonstrated lack of knowledge on the topic, so you thinking that i am some student politician type only reinforces how bad your analysis of political and economic theory and history actually is.

In the spirit of mutual disclosure, I wrote my thesis on Liberal Legal theory, the role of the State and so forth as part of a Law (philosophy/ politics/ arts) degree. The last three changed a bit due to me flip flopping several times for my minor.

Like; your position literally translates into the position that a human rights championing, soup kitchen volunteering, charity advocate, child sponsoring liberal cant be left wing unless they are also a socialist. That a proponent or advocate of Dworkins, A Smith and JS Mill cant be politically left wing. Its a position that I obviously refute, and is self evidently not true. Plenty of people are polticially left wing, but advocate for a free market and private property ownership. OTOH, plently of right wingers (the Nazis and Fascists were a prime example) advocated for State ownership and control of the market and industry.

Ive seen you posit that White nationalist gunmen are Right wing (because they're nationalists), yet Black nationalist gunmen are Left wing (because theyre communists) for example. You're all over the shop.

I just dont think either of us have any chance of convincing each other of anything at this point.

I'm not trying to convince you. Ive seen enough of you around the traps to know that I would be wasting my breath If I tried. I do hope to maybe have you critically examine your position though. Mainly I just want to point out some of the absurdities in your argument, for the benefit of others so they arent persuaded by your (and Medusulas) purely economic interpretation of the left/ right political divide.

Again:

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality.[1][2][3][page needed][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others (prioritarianism), as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished (by advocating for social justice).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

Please note that says nothing about economics. It might infer socialism as an internally consistent economic method within the broader church of this political position to achieve 'the abolition of social hierarchy and and the creation of a society that encourages concern for the disadvantaged', but thats not a given. Personally I think capitalist economics is a better way to achive those goals within that political position. On that I side with Adam Smith and the invisible hand and all that.

We can agree to disagree on this point (which system works best) at least. Again I would argue the proof is in the pudding, but hey.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Yes Mal i remember you saying the black panthers are right wing due to their use of force. It was wrong then and its wrong now.

I wish i would put you on ignore, honestly. I can look at highly subjective wikipedia articles in my own time if I feel like it.

 

[Malifice]

Yes Mal i remember you saying the black panthers are right wing due to their use of force. It was wrong then and its wrong now.

I wish i would put you on ignore, honestly. I can look at highly subjective wikipedia articles in my own time if I feel like it.

There is a reason the leader of the US Nazi party spoke at a rally for the Nation of Islam.

I'll let you figure it out.

The answer isn't 'economics'.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

There is a reason the leader of the US Nazi party spoke at a rally for the Nation of Islam.

I'll let you figure it out.

The answer isn't 'economics'.

I explained this to you at the time but the NOI and White Nationalists have a very different type of "Nationalist" ideology to the Black Panthers, who would be more accurately termed revolutionary socialists and internationalists.

You do you remember me explaining the difference, do you not? Its a pain in my arse to have to repeat it just because you cant get over a single word and actually take a critical look at their economic and political ideology.

I respect that you are trying to punch above your weight but its just beyond you.

 

[Malifice]

I explained this to you at the time but the NOI and White Nationalists have a very different type of "Nationalist" ideology to the Black Panthers, who would be more accurately termed revolutionary socialists and internationalists.

You do you remember me explaining the difference, do you not? Its a pain in my arse to have to repeat it just because you cant get over a single word and actually take a critical look at their economic and political ideology.

I respect that you are trying to punch above your weight but its just beyond you.

Heh. You're actually making my argument for me. Political theory is the relationship of the individual and the State. It includes things like economics, nationalism, legal systems, law making authority, legitimisation and so forth.

In your world I can be a tree hugging human right activist and peace advocate; but unless I am also a socialist economically and repudiate the free market and private property ownership, I'm right wing. Conversely I can be a militant sexist warmonger and ethnic nationalist, but because I favor socialist economics and oppose private property ownership, I'm suddenly a leftist.

That the immediate disconnect and self evident untruth of that statement doesn't dawn on you instantly amuses me no end.

Like I said before; you and medusala really aren't far apart at all.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Like I said before; you and medusala really aren't far apart at all.

I'm sensing chapter & verse of Hayek & Von Mises is imminent.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Heh. You're actually making my argument for me. Political theory is the relationship of the individual and the State. It includes things like economics, nationalism, legal systems, law making authority, legitimisation and so forth.

In your world I can be a tree hugging human right activist and peace advocate; but unless I am also a socialist economically and repudiate the free market and private property ownership, I'm right wing. Conversely I can be a militant sexist warmonger and ethnic nationalist, but because I favor socialist economics and oppose private property ownership, I'm suddenly a leftist.

That the immediate disconnect and self evident untruth of that statement doesn't dawn on you instantly amuses me no end.

Like I said before; you and medusala really aren't far apart at all.

From a very simpleton point of view i can see why you think that.

Good luck wuth your conscience Mal. How one reconciles the inherent class warfare of capitalism into a left wing label for oneself based on emotive social issues is some serious mental gymnastics for an educated person. I believe you wont have any issues with it.

 

[Chief]

I literally make a living from my knowledge of economics and have literally only studied economics and political theory.

So you were lying about the law degree?


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[medusala]

Agreed. There's a toughness in Demons supporters that most will never understand.

blackcat and his muckers know only too well the pain of a polo ball hitting your shin.

#neversurrender
#merge
#pims

 

[Present Not Past]

Who else but a hooker could maintain the Donald's short attention span?

 

[TheMightyEagles]

Its just a tactic to increase the damages she may claim if it goes to court. If she was serious about the business venture, you'd expect her to have put together a much more well formed business plan than "a broad-based commercial brand in multiple product categories".

Anyway I have sympathy for her. She is a politician's wife and, clearly from her conduct, very reluctant to be involved at all in the public sphere (other than as a socialite). In fact, she cops s**t for living in New York and avoiding the standard First Lady duties. Most women would be horrified to be labelled a prostitute by a newspaper, so if she has the money to get back at them, all power to her.

 

[blackcat]

pith hats and solar topees ftw

#whisky #tango #foxtrot

blackcat and his muckers know only too well the pain of a polo ball hitting your shin.

#neversurrender
#merge
#pims

 

[blackcat]

blackcat and his muckers know only too well the pain of a polo ball hitting your shin.

srry i did not reply immediately just waiting for the chukka to finisih

 

[blackcat]

i thought this was a snopes thread on charlie sheen ex denise richards

remember her and never campbell in wild things? srry, neve campbell, the canadian actress from party of five

denise richards denied she was a hooker as you do.

 

[VineyIsLORD]

So you were lying about the law degree?


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Haha id actually forgotten about that. I literally havent stopped studying since then.#professionalstudent

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I literally make a living from my knowledge of economics and have literally only studied economics and political theory.

But you are coming from a position of a demonstrated lack of knowledge on the topic, so you thinking that i am some student politician type only reinforces how bad your analysis of political and economic theory and history actually is.

You seem like a nice enough guy Mal and we agree on a lot more than we disagree. I just dont think either of us have any chance of convincing each other of anything at this point. Cheerio and enjoy your weekend.

This is wrong

I did my major in economics, and my mba specialized in international economics. There is no way you could have graduated without prerequisites is bullshit stuff like accounting, management, and organizational behaviour (puke)

You cannot have literally only studied two streams

 

[VineyIsLORD]

This is wrong

I did my major in economics, and my mba specialized in international economics. There is no way you could have graduated without prerequisites is bullshit stuff like accounting, management, and organizational behaviour (puke)

You cannot have literally only studied two streams

I just meant broadly mate i wasnt referencing every unit. I also straight up forgot an entire degree (and an advanced diploma now that i think of it) so i was definitely off with that post.