Melb Cup trivia

[PerthBoy87]

Same with the horse he nearly beat at MV last year? If we had WFA 2 mile races the history books would be re-written with regards to horses perceived ability. Because it's BMW or bust for most of these horses we never actually know what they can do except for 1 race a year.

The problem with Australian races is that most of the races at 2400m and beyond are handicaps, there is only two WFA races at 2400m - the G1 BWM and G2 Sandown Classic. Most WFA races are run at sprinting distances, at a mile and at 2000m.

Basically once a horse wins the Melbourne Cup, they need to be good enough / versatile enough to win at WFA cos most of those races are at shorter distances. Ive always said there should be more 2400m races at WFA, this would then cater for Cup winners who are weighted out of the Melbourne Cup but they can still run well at WFA at 2400m which I guess is the starting point for staying races.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Errr yes it is. Check Timeform.

So our best WFA horse bar Winx only beats a horse that's "non-competitive" at WFA by just 2 lengths.

Not sold.

 

[iluvparis]

So our best WFA horse bar Winx only beats a horse that's "non-competitive" at WFA by just 2 lengths.

Not sold.

Feel free to load up on POP then [emoji1303]

 

[PerthBoy87]

in this country the term "WFA" is a bit loose. Cos most WFA races are run at sprints and and a mile and 2000m, its hard for a stayer to do well at those distances.

 

[FallingLiefs]

Feel free to load up on POP then [emoji1303]

Just give me a call when we get a WFA race over 2400m.

 

[iluvparis]

Just give me a call when we get a WFA race over 2400m.

Solid cop out.

 

[FallingLiefs]

in this country the term "WFA" is a bit loose. Cos most WFA races are run at sprints and and a mile and 2000m, its hard for a stayer to do well at those distances.

Protectionist our best cup winner for a long time couldn't even perform over 2400m. Huge difference between 24 and 32. Like saying Winx isn't a WFA horse because it doesn't stack up over 1000m

 

[PerthBoy87]

Protectionist our best cup winner for a long time couldn't even perform over 2400m. Huge difference between 24 and 32. Like saying Winx isn't a WFA horse because it doesn't stack up over 1000m

3200m is Protectionist's best distance.

 

[PerthBoy87]

Melbourne Cup Winners Since 1990: Career Record in Weight-For-Age Races


1990 Cup Winner: Kingston Rule (Secriteriat - Rose of Kingston)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 6 Starts: 0-0-2

• 3rd - 1991 Group 2 St George (Peter Young Stakes) (1800m) - Jim Cassidy

• 3rd - 1991 Group 2 Blamey Stakes (1400m) - Jim Cassidy

• 7th - 1991 Group 1 William Reid Stakes (1200m) - Jim Cassidy

• 4th - 1990 Group 2 Craiglee (Makybe Diva Stakes) Stakes (1600m) - Jim Cassidy

• 5th - 1990 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Jim Cassidy

• 7th - 1990 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Jim Cassidy

1991 Cup Winner: Let's Elope (Nassipour - Sharon Jane)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 10 Starts: 5-0-2

• 3rd - 1993 Group 1 Oak Tree Stakes (2400m) - Paul Valanzuela

• 3rd - 1993 Group 1 Beverley D Stakes (1900m) - Paul Valanzula

• 7th - 1992 Group 1 Japan Cup (2400m) - Darren Beadman

• 5th - 1992 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Greg Childs

• 1st - 1992 Super Challenge (2 horse race between Better Loosen Up) (2000m) - Mick Dittman

• 11th - Group 2 Rupert Steel (Gilgai) Stakes (1200m) - Steven King

• 1st - 1992 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Darren Beadman

• 1st - 1992 Group 2 St George Stakes (1800m) - Steven King

• 1st - 1992 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Steven King

• 1st - 1991 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Steven King

1992 Cup Winner: Subzero (Kala Dancer - Wiley Trade)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 16 Starts: 0-2-1

• 4th - 1994 Group 2 P.J O'Shea Stakes (2400m) - Greg Hall

• 9th - 1994 Group 1 Doomben Cup (2020m) - Greg Hall

• 5th - 1993 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Greg Hall

• 9th - 1993 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Greg Hall

• 8th - 1993 Group 2 Makybe Diva (Craiglee) Stakes (1600m) - Greg Hall

• 9th - 1993 Group 2 J.J Liston Stakes (1400m) - Greg Hall

• 5th - 1993 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Greg Hall

• 5th - 1993 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Greg Hall

• 7th - 1993 Group 1 Chipping Norton Stakes (1600m) - Larry Cassidy

• 3rd - 1993 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Greg Hall

• 9th - 1993 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Greg Hall

• 5th - 1992 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Greg Hall

• 6th - 1992 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Greg Hall

• 2nd - 1992 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Simon Marshall

• 2nd - 1992 Group 2 Makybe Diva (Craiglee) Stakes (1600m) - Simon Marshall

• 6th - 1992 Group 2 J.J Liston Stakes (1400m) - Simon Marshall

1993 Cup Winner: Vintage Crop (Rousillon - Overplay)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 3 Starts: 0-1-0

• 6th - 1993 Group 1 Ascot Gold Cup (4000m) - Micheal Kinane

• 2nd - 1994 Group 1 Ascot Gold Cup (4000m) - Micheal Kinane

• 4th - 1995 Group 1 Ascot Gold Cup (4000m) - Micheal Kinane

1994 Cup Winner: Jeune (Kalaglow - Youthful)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 23 Starts: 5-7-2

• 16th - 1996 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 6th - 1996 Group 2 Peter Young (St George Stakes) - Danny Brereton

• 7th - 1996 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Danny Brereton

• 4th - 1995 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 4th - 1995 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Wayne Harris

• 5th - 1995 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 6th - 1995 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Wayne Harris

• 1st - 1995 Group 2 Makybe Diva (Craiglee) Stakes (1600m) - Wayne Harris

• 3rd - 1995 Group 2 J.J Liston Stakes (1400m) - Wayne Harris

• 1st - 1995 Group 1 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 2nd - 1995 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Wayne Harris

• 2nd - 1995 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 2nd - 1995 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 2nd - 1995 Group 1 Futurity Stakes (1400m) - Wayne Harris

• 1st - 1995 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Wayne Harris

• 6th - 1994 Group 1 Japan Cup (2400m) - Wayne Harris

• 2nd - 1994 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 13th - 1994 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Wayne Harris

• 2nd - 1994 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Wayne Harris

• 1st - 1994 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Wayne Harris

• 3rd - 1994 Group 2 Makybe Diva (Craiglee) Stakes (1600m) - Wayne Harris

• 4th - 1993 Group 1 Prince of Wales Stakes (2400m) - Ray Cochrane

• 1st - 1993 Group 2 Hardwicke Stakes (2400m) - Ray Cochrane

1995 Cup Winner: Doreimus (Norman Pentequad - Golden Woods)

Record in Weight-For-Age races: 19 Starts: 1-1-3

• 6th - 1998 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Greg Hall

• 7th - 1998 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Greg Hall

• 3rd - 1998 Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Greg Hall

• 7th - 1998 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Greg Hall

• 3rd - 1998 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Greg Hall

• 10th - 1998 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Greg Hall

• 6th - 1998 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Greg Hall

• 8th - 1998 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Rod Griffiths

• 7th - 1997 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Greg Hall

• 3rd - 1997 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Greg Hall

• 10th - 1997 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Greg Hall

• 8th - 1997 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Greg Hall

• 6th - 1996 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Greg Hall

• 7th - 1997 Group 1 Makybe Diva (Craiglee) Stakes (1600m) - Damien Oliver

• 2nd - 1996 Group 1 Doomben Cup (2020m) - Shane Dye

• 1st - 1996 Group 1 AJC Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) - Shane Dye

• 12th - 1996 Group 1 Futurity Stakes (1400m) - Steven King

• 8th - 1995 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Greg Hall

• 9th - 1995 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Greg Hall

1996 Cup Winner: Saintly (Sky Chase - All Grace)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 9 Starts: 5-3-1

• 1st - 1997 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Darren Beadman

• 1st - 1996 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Darren Beadman

• 1st - 1996 Group 2 Hill Stakes (1900m) - Darren Beadman

• 2nd - 1996 Group 2 Warwick Stakes (1600m) - Darren Beadman

• 2nd - 1996 Group 2 Warwick Stakes (1400) - Darren Beadman

• 3rd - 1996 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Patrick Payne

• 1st - 1996 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000) - Darren Beadman

• 2nd - 1996 Group 2 Apollo Stakes (1400m) - Darren Beadman

• 1st - 1996 Expressway Stakes (1200m) - John Powell

1997 Cup Winner: Might And Power (Zabeel - Benediction)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 12 Starts: 7-2-1

• 1st - 1998 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Jim Cassidy

• 1st - 1998 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Jim Cassidy

• 7th - 1998 Group 1 George Main Stakes (1600m) - Brian York

• 1st - 1998 Group 2 Chelmsford Stakes (1600) - Brian York

• 4th - 1998 Group 2 Warwick Stakes (1400m) - Brian York

• 1st - 1998 Group 1 Doomben Cup (2020m) - Brian York

• 1st - 1998 Group 2 Hollindale Cup (1800m) - Brian York

• 1st - 1998 Group 1 Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) - Brian York

• 1st - 1998 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Brian York

• 2nd - 1998 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Jim Cassidy

• 2nd - 1998 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Jim Cassidy

• 3rd - 1998 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) Jim Cassidy

1998 Cup Winner: Jezabeel (Zabeel - Passefleur)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 2 Starts: 0-1-0

• 2nd - 1998 Group 1 Underwood Staks (1800m) - Luke Dowson

• 6th - 1998 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Chris Munce

1999 Cup Winner: Rogan Josh (Old Spice - Eastern Mystique)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 6 Starts: 1-1-0

• 4th - 1999 Group 1 Hong Kong Vase (2400m) - John Marshall

• 5th - 1999 Group 2 Sandown Classic (2400m) - John Marshall

• 1st - 1999 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - John Marshall

• 10th - 1999 Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Patrick Payne

• 2nd - 1998 Group 2 C.B Cox Stakes (2400m) - Troy Turner

• 4th - 1998 Group 3 Strickland Stakes (1800m) - Troy Turner

2000 Cup Winner: Brew (Sir Tristram - Horlicks)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 4 Starts: 0-0-0

• 11th - 2002 Group 2 Craiglee (Makybe Diva Stakes) (1600m) - Brett Prebble

• 16th - 2002 Group 2 J.J Liston Stakes (1400m) - Brett Prebble

• 9th - 2001 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Kerryn McEvoy

• 9th - 1999 Group 2 P.J O'Shea Stakes (2400m) - Brett Prebble

2001 Cup Winner: Ethereal (Rhythm - Romance)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 4 Starts: 1-0-1

• 1st - 2002 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Scott Seamer

• 5th - 2002 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Scott Seamer

• 5th - 2002 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Scott Seamer

• 3rd - 2001 Group 1 Caulfield Stakes (2000m) - Scott Seamer

2002 Cup Winner: Media Puzzle (Theatrical - Market Slide)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 1 Start: 0-0-0

• PU - 2006 Group 1 Ascot Gold Cup (4000m) - Pat Smullen

2003, 2004 and 2005 Cup Winner: Makybe Diva (Desert King - Tugela)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 13 Starts: 4-3-2

• 1st - 2005 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Glen Boss

• 2nd - 2005 Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Glen Boss

• 1st - 2005 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Glen Boss

• 6th - 2005 Group 1 Autumn Tenno Sho (3200m) - Glen Boss

• 1st - 2005 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Glen Boss

• 1st - 2005 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Glen Boss

• 2nd - 2005 Group 1 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Glen Boss

• 7th - 2005 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Glen Boss

• 2nd - 2004 Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Luke Currie

• 4th - 2004 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Luke Currie

• 3rd - 2004 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Glen Boss

• 3rd - 2004 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Glen Boss

• 6th - 2004 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Glen Boss

2006 Cup Winner: Delta Blues (Dance In The Dark - Dixie Splash)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 15 Starts: 0-0-2

• 10th - 2009 Group 1 Autumn Tenno Sho (3200m) - Yasunari Iwata

• 6th - 2009 Group 2 Daishoten Stakes (3000m) - Yasunari Iwata

• 12th - 2009 Group 1 Tokyo Daishoten (2000m) - Yasunari Iwata

• 12th - 2007 Group 1 Arima Kinem (2500m) - Yasunari Iwata

• 5th - 2007 Group 1 Japan Cup (2400m) - Yasanuri Iwata

• 12th - 2007 Group 1 Spring Tenno Sho (2000m) - Yasanuri Iwata

• 5th - 2007 Group 2 Kyoto Daishoten (2400m) - Yasanuri Iwata

• 12th - 2007 Group 1 Autumn Tenno Sho (3200m) - Yasanuri Iwata

• 4th - 2007 Group 2 Daishoten Stakes (3000m) - Yasunari Iwata

• 6th - 2007 Group 1 Arima Kinem (2500m) - Yasunari Iwata

• 10th - 2006 Group 1 Autumn Tenno Shot (3200m) - Yasanuri Iwata

• 3rd - 2006 Group 2 Daishoten Stakes (3000m) - Yasanuri Iwaya

• 11th - 2005 Group 1 Kyoto Kinen (2500m) - Olivier Peslier

• 5th - 2005 Group 1 Grand Prix (2500m) - Olivier Peslier

• 3rd - 2004 Group 1 Japan Cup (2400m) - Katsumi Ando

2007 Cup Winner: Efficient (Zabeel - Refused The Dance)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 13 Starts: 0-0-0

• 10th - 2012 Group 2 Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m) - Nick Hall

• 5th - 2012 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Craig Newitt

• 10th - 2012 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Steven King

• 9th - 2012 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Eddie Cassar

• 10th - 2011 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Steven King

• 6th - 2011 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Steven King

• 10th - 2011 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Steven King

• 9th - 2009 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Nick Hall

• 5th - 2009 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Steven Arnold

• 5th - 2008 - Group 2 Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m) - Steven Arnold

• 9th - 2007 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Steven Arnold

• 4th - 2007 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Steven Arnold

• 10th - 2007 Memsie stakes (1400m) - Steven Arnold

2008 Cup Winner: Viewed (Scenic - Lovers Knot)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 12 Starts: 0-1-2

• 9th - 1010 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Steven Arnold

• 6th - 2010 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Steven Arnold

• 3rd - 2009 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Brad Rawiller

• 10th - 2009 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Brad Rawiller

• 4th - 2009 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Noel Callow

• 3rd - 2009 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Blake Shinn

• 2nd - 2009 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Blake Shinn

• 4th - 2009 Group 1 Chipping Norton Stakes (1600m) - Blake Shinn

• 4th - 2009 Group 2 Apollo Stakes (1500m) - Blake Shinn

• 11th - 2008 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Steven Arnold

• 7th - 2008 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Damien Oliver

• 6th - 2008 Group 1 Doomben Cup (2020m) - Steven Arnold

2009 Cup Winner: Shocking (Street Cry - Maria Di Castiglia)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 9 Starts: 2-0-0

• 1st - 2011 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Corey Brown

• 7th - 2011 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Corey Brown

• 11th - 2011 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Corey Brown

• 6th - 2010 Group 1 Mackinnon Stakes (2000m) - Michael Rodd

• 5th - 2010 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Michael Rodd

• 1st - 2010 Group 2 Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m) - Michael Rodd

• 7th - 2010 Group 2 J.J Liston Stakes (1400m) - Stephen Baster

• 6th - 2010 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Michael Rodd

• 8th - 2010 Group 1 C.F Orr Stakes (1400m) - Michael Rodd

2010 Cup Winner: Americain (Dynaformer - America)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 5 Starts: 1-1-2

• 6th - 2012 Group 1 Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) - Craig Williams

• 2nd - 2012 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Gerald Mosse

• 3rd - 2012 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Steve Arnold

• 1st - 2011 Zipping (Sandown) Classic (2400m) - Gerald Mosse

• 3rd - 2010 Group 1 Hong Kong Vase (2400m) - Gerald Mosse

2011 Cup Winner: Dunaden (Nicobar - La Marlia)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 12 Starts: 1-3-3

• 9th - 2014 Group 1 Dubai Sheema Classic (2410m) - Jamie Spencer

• 3rd - 2014 Group 1 Hong Kong Vase (2400m) - Jamie Spencer

• 5th - 2014 Group 1 Japan Cup (2400m) - Jamie Spencer

• 2nd - 2013 Group 1 Coronation Cup (2424m) - Jamie Spencer

• 4th - 2013 Group 1 Dubai Sheema Classic (2410m) - Jamie Spencer

• 5th - 2012 Group 1 Hong Kong Vase (2400m) - Jamie Spencer

• 6th - 2012 Group 1 King George Stakes (2414m) - Jamie Spencer

• 2nd - 2012 Group 1 Hardwicke Stakes (2414m) - Jamie Spencer

• 1st - 2011 Group 1 Hong Kong Vase (2400m) - Craig Williams

2012 Cup Winner: Green Moon (Montjeu - Green Noon)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 15 Starts: 0-2-0

• 15th - 2015 Group 1 Doomben Cup (2000m) - Chad Schofield

• 6th - 2015 Group 2 Hollindale Stakes (1800m) - Chad Schofield

• 5th - 2014 Group 2 Zipping (Sandown) Classic (2400m) - Steven Arnold

• 6th - 2014 Group 1 Makybe Diva Stakes (1600m) - Chad Schofield

• 7th - 2014 Group 1 Queen Elizabeth Stakes (2000m) - Hugh Bowman

• 2nd - 2014 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Chad Schofield

• 4th - 2014 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Chad Schofield

• 9th - 2013 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Brett Prebble

• 9th - 2013 Group 1 Underwood Stakes (1800m) - Brett Prebble

• 5th - 2013 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Brett Prebble

• 4th - 2013 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Brett Prebble

• 4th - 2013 Group 1 Futurity Stakes (1400m) - Brett Prebble

• 7th - 2012 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Craig Williams

• 2nd - 2012 Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) Craig Williams

• 5th - 2012 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) Craig Williams

2013 Cup Winner: Fiorente (Monsun - Desert Bloom)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 9 Starts: 3-0-3

• 3rd - 2014 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Damien Oliver

• 7th - 2014 Group 1 Ranvet Stakes (2000m) - Damien Oliver

• 1st - 2014 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Damien Oliver

• 1st - 2014 Group 1 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Damien Oliver

• 3rd - 2013 Group 1 Cox Plate (2040m) - Blake Shinn

• 1st - 2014 Group 2 Dato Tan Chin Nam Stakes (1600m) - Nash Rawiller

• 6th - 2014 Group 2 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Nash Rawiller

• 3rd - 2014 Group 1 All Aged Stakes (1400m) - Nash Rawiller

• 6th - 2012 Group 2 Hardwicke Stakes (2414m) - James Doyle

2014 Cup Winner: Protectionist (Monsun - Patineuse)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 4 Starts: 0-0-0

• 8th - 2015 Group 1 George Main Stakes (1600m) - Christian Reith

• 5th - 2015 Group 1 The BMW (2400m) - Craig Williams

• 8th - 2015 Group 1 Australian Cup (2000m) - Craig Williams

• 6th - 2015 Group 2 Peter Young (St George) Stakes (1800m) - Craig Williams

2015 Cup Winner: Prince Of Penzance (Pentire - Royal Successor)

Record in Weight-For-Age Races: 2 Starts: 0-0-1

• 8th - 2015 Group 1 Memsie Stakes (1400m) - Michelle Payne

• 3rd - 2014 Group 2 Sandown Classic (2400m) - Michelle Payne

 

[iluvparis]

Protectionist our best cup winner for a long time couldn't even perform over 2400m. Huge difference between 24 and 32. Like saying Winx isn't a WFA horse because it doesn't stack up over 1000m

lel - worst call of the year

He couldn't perform at 2400m because he wasn't good enough. The only thing he was best at was most overhyped cup winner of all time. Had no trouble winning over that distance in Germany

 

[iluvparis]

Americain and Dunaden where both easily superior horses.

My god that is a disgusting call

 

[PerthBoy87]

Id have Dunaden and Americain ahead of Protectionist, I just think they are better stayers.

 

[iluvparis]

Id have Dunaden and Americain ahead of Protectionist, I just think they are better stayers.

As does Timeform.

Given their body of work it would be almost impossible to argue otherwise.

 

[PerthBoy87]

As does Timeform.

Given their body of work it would be almost impossible to argue otherwise.

Do you have or know any websites for Timeform ratings for Cup winners since 1990? Ive been trying to find something but no luck at all.

 

[iluvparis]

Do you have or know any websites for Timeform ratings for Cup winners since 1990? Ive been trying to find something but no luck at all.

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/tf-rating-summary.asp?tfe=tfsummary1415

This should take you back to at least the 2000/01 season

 

[PerthBoy87]

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/tf-rating-summary.asp?tfe=tfsummary1415

This should take you back to at least the 2000/01 season

Thanks for that, cos I'm trying to find what Rogan Josh's timeform rating was as well as the other Cup winners of the 1990s, but that link for a start will help in terms of 2001 onwards.

 

[iluvparis]

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/timeform/timeform-recap-2015-melbourne-cup-story-348871

 

[PerthBoy87]

http://www.racingandsports.com.au/en/timeform/timeform-recap-2015-melbourne-cup-story-348871

Interesting read. thanks.