never taken much notice of him but he loomed to win the Lonsdale & just didnt quite finish it off, slow run race though.
clearly Mullins has been close so in light of last year when QFM got within 4 lengths, couldnt rule him out completely
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never taken much notice of him but he loomed to win the Lonsdale & just didnt quite finish it off, slow run race though.
clearly Mullins has been close so in light of last year when QFM got within 4 lengths, couldnt rule him out completely
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Think I'd want to be beating QFM 4 lengths to be a genuine winning chance. I think his half-length 2nd behind Dartmouth is superior form. That would have him right in it.
Having said that Mullins is a genius so if he gets here and lines up on the day he will be in with a shout. Won't want it rock hard.
Having said that Mullins is a genius so if he gets here and lines up on the day he will be in with a shout. Won't want it rock hard.
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Noms close 6 September.
Wicklow Brave is an intriguing one. Willie's said he's keen to up his rating to ensure he gets in. But this year looks different to me. There's a virus going around in Chantilly, and a few of the English stables are affected too. Not only that but the traditional lead-up races are being won by non-contenders (include the Kergolay in that) and it might mean that the bar's a bit lower this year.
The release of the order of entry will be very interesting. I suspect Wicklow Brave will get enough weight to get in.
Wicklow Brave is an intriguing one. Willie's said he's keen to up his rating to ensure he gets in. But this year looks different to me. There's a virus going around in Chantilly, and a few of the English stables are affected too. Not only that but the traditional lead-up races are being won by non-contenders (include the Kergolay in that) and it might mean that the bar's a bit lower this year.
The release of the order of entry will be very interesting. I suspect Wicklow Brave will get enough weight to get in.
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On UK ratings he should get around 0.5kg more than Quest For More did in 2015, and it made the field last year.
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Greg Carpenter has said noms for the MC close at noon tomorrow. I got the 6 Sept date from RV's own link quoted at the start of the thread - perhaps that's the date for late noms...
Carpenter also said that CC weights will be released (presumably by drip feed like last year) at noon this Wednesday.
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Big playa resuming in the Tramway this weekend.
In all seriousness, would love to see her show some interest in her first couple of runs. If she rattles home like last Spring, watch out for the cups.
In all seriousness, would love to see her show some interest in her first couple of runs. If she rattles home like last Spring, watch out for the cups.
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Went back and looked at just how far down the weights she was last year - no wonder she was running past tired horses late when it was all over last Spring.
She might struggle to make the field with 51kgs as a 5yo mare.
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Both for Flemington seth?
Didnt really nominate which races for each.
MC noms are out this afternoon so i guess we will soon know
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Interesting write up taken from punters.com on nominated internationals
any of you gents shed some light on Idaho?? seems like a good one to keep in thoughts
International Melbourne Cup nominations - An early look at the prospects of the 31 nominated raiders
We cast our eye over the 31 overseas gallopers (plus one recently transferred to an Australian yard) that have been nominated for the 2016 $6 million Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200m), and speculate as to how they might measure up. An early look at the race that stops a nation!
The Irish-trained challengers
Bondi Beach (IRE)
4yoc (b) Galileo x One Moment In Time
A P O'Brien
Career 9 4-3-0
Earnings $482,599
RATING 118
COMMENT: Finished 16th of 24 as a $21-chance in last year's Cup but we will be throwing that form out the window. In three starts since has won a Listed event over 2515m at Limerick, won a G3 over 2816m at Navn and finished third in the G3 Ballyroan Stakes (2414m). Lightly-raced stayer owned by Team Williams, warrants plenty of respect. BEST ODDS $34
Housesofparliament (IRE)
3yoc (ch) Galileo x Sharp Lisa
A P O'Brien
Career 8 2-2-1
Earnings $59,327
RATING 105
COMMENT: G3-winner over 2615m before running a 1.8L second to fellow Melbourne Cup aspirant Idaho in the G2 Voltigeur (2400m) at York (led and was gobbled-up in the final furlong by the 5/6F). Looks to have a preference for dry ground. BEST ODDS $34
Idaho (IRE)
3yoc (b) Galileo x Hveger
A P O'Brien
Career 7 2-2-2
Earnings $349,852
RATING 120
COMMENT: Entire who finished third behind star galloper Harzand in the G1 Epsom Derby (2414m) and runner-up to the same horse in the G1 Irish Derby (2414m) - that is very strong staying form! Scored with plenty in hand in the G2 Voltigeur at York. By Galileo out of the blueblood Australian mare Hveger which makes him a full-brother to Highland Reel. BEST ODDS $26
Order Of St George (IRE)
4yoc (b) Galileo x Another Storm
A P O'Brien
Career 12 7-3-0
Earnings $595,277
RATING 124
COMMENT: Won the G1 Irish St Leger (2816m) by an astonishing 11L and Team Williams quickly snapped up a share. Has gone undefeated in three runs since, including a powerful 3L victory in the Ascot Gold Cup (4000m). Won his maiden by 8.5L over a mile and looks versatile. The ruling Cup favourite and deservedly so. BEST ODDS $15
Sword Fighter (IRE)
3yoc (baybrown) Galileo x Tarbela
A P O'Brien
Career 7 3-1-2
Earnings $81,620
RATING 105
COMMENT: Beaten 3.5L by Big Orange and Pallasator in the G2 Goodwood Cup (3219m) as the 9/2F when copping a squeeze late. Led all the way to score over the Melbourne Cup distance in the Listed Queen's Vase (3219m) at Ascot when sent out big odds ($34) two starts prior. Potential to be deployed as a pacemaker for his stablemates? Enjoys soft ground. BEST ODDS $34
The Major General (IRE)
3yoc (b) Galileo x Scribonia
A P O'Brien
Career 9 2-1-2
Earnings $37,565
RATING 109
COMMENT: Yet another Galileo who is a Listed winner over 2400m at Leopardstown. A long last behind Idaho and Housesofparliament in the G2 Voltigeur (2400m) when sent out a $10 chance. Doesn't look to possess the same level of class as some of his stablemates. BEST ODDS $51
Unicorn (IRE)
3yoc (b) Galileo x One Moment In Time
A P O'Brien
Career 4 1-0-2
Earnings $9,971
RATING 95
COMMENT: You guessed it, another son of Galileo who has been to the races just four times and only once this year. His sole win came in a Leopardstown maiden over 1609m back in August last year. It would be a shock to see him start in the race. BEST ODDS $81
Heartbreak City (FR)
6yog (b) Lando x Moscow Nights
A J Martin
Career 21 6-0-3
Earnings $142,661
RATING 103
COMMENT: French-bred Irish-trained six-year-old who is a three-times winner over the two miles of the Melbourne Cup (including twice over the hurdles!). Will stay all day but is he brilliant enough? BEST ODDS $51
Clondaw Warrior (IRE)
9yog (br) Overbury x Thespian
W P Mullins
Career 41 10-6-9
Earnings $552,611
RATING 143
COMMENT: The first of two runners from the all-conquering Willie Mullins yard, trainer of last year's runner-up Max Dynamite. Another who has done plenty of racing over the jumps (15 of his 40 starts) but the trainer is very shrewd - if Mullins brings him over he might well measure up at big odds. Runner-up to American Melbourne Cup entrant Da Big Hoss in the G3 American St Leger Stakes (2716m) at Arlington (finished off very nicely!). BEST ODDS $67
Wicklow Brave (GB)
7yog (b) Beat Hollow x Moraine
W P Mullins
Career 28 8-3-4
Earnings $361,067
RATING 109
COMMENT: Three-time hurdles winner (from 13 jumps starts) whose last win came back in May 2015. In the mix behind Big Orange/Pallasator/Sword Fighter/Quest For More when beaten 3.25L in the G2 Goodwood Cup over two miles then a 3.8L third behind Quest For More and Pallasator in the G2 Lonsdale Cup (3319m). Another who will stick on but not sure he's brilliant enough. BEST ODDS $51
The English-trained challengers
Francis Of Assisi (IRE)
6yog (b) Danehill Dancer x Queen Cleopatra
C Appleby
Career 16 6-1-1
Earnings $5,418
RATING 103
COMMENT: Hurdler who joined the Appleby stable after finishing 42L adrift at Aintree in April. Has been even in two runs over 2816m for his new trainer, beaten 4.5L and 6.5L respectively. Would need to find a few lengths. BEST ODDS $101
Oceanographer (GB)
4yog (b) Sea The Stars x Que Puntual
C Appleby
Career 9 4-0-0
Earnings $16,043
RATING 100
COMMENT: Hit-or-miss galloper that has won four from nine starts with zero minor placings. Last start was his first try beyond 2414m and he was well-beaten, finishing 9.5L off Heartbreak City. Prior to that he won a £20,000 handicap at Doncaster over 2066m. BEST ODDS $41
Qewy (IRE)
6yog (b) Street Cry x Princess Nada
C Appleby
Career 22 3-4-5
Earnings $27,397
RATING 104
COMMENT: Former hurdler who has been with Appleby for two starts. He ran a huge race first-up for the stable, finishing second in the Ascot Stakes (4023m) at $34. He backed that up with another second in the Summer Stakes (2816m) at Goodwood dropping back in distance. James McDonald piloted him in both outings. BEST ODDS $151
Scottish (IRE)
4yog (b) Teofilo x Zeiting
C Appleby
Career 11 4-4-1
Earnings $65,132
RATING 113
COMMENT: Currently a $26 hope for both the Caulfield Cup and the Melbourne Cup. Looks the clear standout from the Appleby contingent based on his four runs this year. He was beaten as favourite in the G3 Lancaster Stakes (2098m) but atoned for that with an impressive victory in the G3 Strensall Stakes (1799m) on August 20. Whether he can two miles remains to be seen. BEST ODDS $26
Second Wave (IRE)
4yog (b) New Approach x Tessa Reef
C Appleby
Career 11 5-2-2
Earnings $20,808
RATING 106
COMMENT: Consistent middle-distance type who has never raced beyond 2011m. Resumed from a five-month spell with a second-placing in Listed grade at Ascot before finishing on the heels of the placegetters at Goodwood over 1986m. Others make more appeal from a Cup perspective. BEST ODDS $51
Trip To Paris (IRE)
5yog (b) Champs Elysees x La Grande Zoa
E A L Dunlop
Career 23 6-3-2
Earnings $1,450,548
RATING 116
COMMENT: Surprised most with a second-placing in last year's Caulfield Cup before finishing fourth in the Melbourne Cup. He then suffered a tendon injury in the Japan Cup (2400m) which saw him on the sidelines for just over seven months. The Dunlop-trained gelding was okay first-up but struggled to make any impression in the Lonsdale Cup (3299m), finishing 7L off the winner. Lack of racing this year is a legitimate concern. BEST ODDS $34
Big Orange (GB)
5yog (b) Duke Of Marmalade x Miss Brown To You
M L W Bell
Career 18 7-2-1
Earnings $858,807
RATING 117
COMMENT: The Bell-trained gelding ran a big race for fifth in last year's Melbourne Cup on the back of a poor showing in the Lonsdale Cup where he was apparently unsuited by the ground (good to soft). He has been in strong form since then, placing twice before posting back-to-back victories. His latest win came in the G2 Goodwood Cup (3218m) which is generally a sound form reference. BEST ODDS $26
Kinema (IRE)
5yog (b) Galileo x Bon Nuit
R M Beckett
Career 28 5-7-2
Earnings $42,558
RATING 107
COMMENT: Joined the Beckett stable in May this year and won his first two outings in comfortable fashion. Came up against stronger opposition in the Goodwood Cup (3218m) and finished nearly 10L back. Was tested again last start in the Ebor Handicap (2816m) and failed to measure up. It's hard to recommend him on his last couple. BEST ODDS $101
Barsanti (IRE)
4yog (b) Champs Elysees x Silver Star
R Varian
Career 10 4-2-3
Earnings $64,130
RATING 105
COMMENT: Lightly-raced stayer from the Varian stable who has won four of his last six starts. He finished 2L ahead of subsequent Lonsdale Cup winner Quest For More two runs back before winning a 2414m handicap at York on August 19. Although he's yet to be tested against really high-quality opposition, he does look to have nice upside. BEST ODDS $34
Beautiful Romance (GB)
4yof (b) New Approach x Mazuna
S bin Suroor
Career 9 3-0-2
Earnings $73,593
RATING 112
COMMENT: Honest mare who outstayed them in a G2 for fillies at York in May. Thrashed by superstar Treve in a G1 at Longchamp in September 2015 (no shame in that, nor being streeted by Minding as she was at Goodwood). Not sure she's good enough, would be good to get another look at her under race conditions prior to the Cup... BEST ODDS $101
Elite Army (GB)
5yog (b) Authorized x White Rose
S bin Suroor
Career 9 4-1-1
Earnings $20,740
RATING 109
COMMENT: Godolphin galloper who was terrible in the G3 Glorious Stakes (2414m) last start, finishing 26L off the winner. The stable claimed he was unsuited by the good to firm ground which probably doesn't bode well for an Australian assault. He's a two-time winner over 2414m, which is as far as he's raced. BEST ODDS $41
Important Message (GB)
3yoc (b) New Approach x Plaza
S bin Suroor
Career 4 1-2-1
Earnings $1,134
RATING 96
COMMENT: Has to be a doubt on this son of New Approach starting in the Cup given he hasn't raced since August last year. He broke his maiden status by 6L at Lingfield over 2414m but has had just one run since then, finishing third at Newmarket over the same trip. Has started a prohibitive favourite in all four runs but only saluted once. BEST ODDS $81
Secret Number (GB)
6yoH (b) Raven's Pass x Mysterial
Saeed Bin Suroor
Career 12 4-2-2
Earnings $565,908
RATING 105
COMMENT: Godolphin runner who came out to Australia last spring but didn't feature in any of the headline races. He instead lined up in the G3 Queen Elizabeth (2600m) at Flemington, finishing second (beaten 1.8L) to Dandino after racing up on the speed. He hasn't raced since then which means he's had just two runs since September 2014. BEST ODDS $61
Sky Hunter (GB)
6yoG (b) Motivator x Pearl Kite
Saeed Bin Suroor
Career 12 6-1-1
Earnings $585,150
RATING 108
COMMENT: Came into last year's Melbourne Cup in reasonable form but performed poorly, finishing 16.5L from the winner. He underwent a vet examination prior to the race after suffering some heel bruising but was obviously passed fit. The Godolphin gelding hasn't had a start since. $BEST ODDS $81
Exosphere (GB)
4yoc (b) Beat Hollow x Bright And Clear
Sir Michael Stoute
Career 10 4-0-2
Earnings $29,522
RATING 117
COMMENT: Not to be confused with the talented but ultimately disappointing O'Shea galloper of the same name. This Exosphere recorded a dominant victory over 2414m at Newmarket in late-April but has failed to repeat that effort in three runs since. On that occasion he finished some 9L ahead of fellow Cup contender Big Orange. BEST ODDS $34
The French-trained challengers
ERUPT (Francis Henri-Graffard)
COMMENT: The French-trained Erupt has competed in some of the biggest staying races around the world over the past 12 months. Finished fifth in the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe behind Golden Horn before a sixth-placed effort in the Japan Cup (2400m). His best result in 2016 has been a second in the Group One Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud. Yet to be tested beyond 2500m. BEST ODDS $34
GREY LION (Andre Fabre transferred to Matt Cumani)
COMMENT: OTI are still in search of a Melbourne Cup win and have recently purchased Grey Lion to contend this year’s race. Formerly trained in France by Andre Fabre, Grey Lion will be trained in Australia by Matt Cumani. His recent performances at Group Two level in France have been average, including last start in the Prix Kergorlay over 3000m where he failed to beat a runner home. He would have to make rapid improvement when arriving in Australia and a Cups start looks unlikely at this stage. BEST ODDS $201
The German-trained challengers
PROTECTIONIST (Andreas Wohler)
COMMENT: The 2014 Melbourne Cup winner returned to Germany and his original trainer Andreas Wohler this year after failing to come up in a couple of campaigns in Australia. He has recaptured his best form, with a win at Group Two level followed by Group One success in the Grosser Preis von Berlin. A trip back to Melbourne remains unlikely with the Arc the more likely option, however he has been kept safe in early markets. BEST ODDS $26
RED CARDINAL (Andreas Wohler)
COMMENT: A recent purchase for Australian Bloodstock, the lightly-raced Red Cardinal is a lightweight Cup hope who will need to secure a victory in Australia to gain a start. Trained in Germany by Andreas Wohler, Red Cardinal finished third in a recent Group Three race at Newbury over 2716m. To squeeze into the Cup field he is likely to need a win in a race like the Moonee Valley Cup or Geelong Cup. BEST ODDS $67
The Japanese-trained challenger
CURREN MIROTIC (Osamu HIrata)
COMMENT: Jockey Tommy Berry was quick to commit to Japanese entrant Curren Mirotic earlier this year before partnering the veteran stayer in a race back in June. While finishing down the track on that occasion, Berry was happy to forgive the run given the wet track. Finished second in the Group One Tenno Sho (3200m) the start prior, beating home last year’s early Cup favourite Fame Game. He also placed in the race in 2015 behind Gold Ship and Fame game. BEST ODDS $21
Curren Mirotic is the sole Japanese Melbourne Cup nomination.
The American-trained challenger
DA BIG HOSS (Michael J Maker)
COMMENT: North America is represented in the Melbourne Cup nominations this year with Da Big Hoss. Trained by Michael Maker, Da Big Hoss was an impressive winner of the Group Three American St Leger over 2716m at this most recent start. He defeated Irish runner Clondaw Warrior by 1.75 lengths, who also holds a nomination for the Cup. Da Big Hoss has won four times at Group level in the United States over the past 12 months. BEST ODDS $51
any of you gents shed some light on Idaho?? seems like a good one to keep in thoughts
International Melbourne Cup nominations - An early look at the prospects of the 31 nominated raiders
We cast our eye over the 31 overseas gallopers (plus one recently transferred to an Australian yard) that have been nominated for the 2016 $6 million Emirates Melbourne Cup (3200m), and speculate as to how they might measure up. An early look at the race that stops a nation!
The Irish-trained challengers
Bondi Beach (IRE)
4yoc (b) Galileo x One Moment In Time
A P O'Brien
Career 9 4-3-0
Earnings $482,599
RATING 118
COMMENT: Finished 16th of 24 as a $21-chance in last year's Cup but we will be throwing that form out the window. In three starts since has won a Listed event over 2515m at Limerick, won a G3 over 2816m at Navn and finished third in the G3 Ballyroan Stakes (2414m). Lightly-raced stayer owned by Team Williams, warrants plenty of respect. BEST ODDS $34
Housesofparliament (IRE)
3yoc (ch) Galileo x Sharp Lisa
A P O'Brien
Career 8 2-2-1
Earnings $59,327
RATING 105
COMMENT: G3-winner over 2615m before running a 1.8L second to fellow Melbourne Cup aspirant Idaho in the G2 Voltigeur (2400m) at York (led and was gobbled-up in the final furlong by the 5/6F). Looks to have a preference for dry ground. BEST ODDS $34
Idaho (IRE)
3yoc (b) Galileo x Hveger
A P O'Brien
Career 7 2-2-2
Earnings $349,852
RATING 120
COMMENT: Entire who finished third behind star galloper Harzand in the G1 Epsom Derby (2414m) and runner-up to the same horse in the G1 Irish Derby (2414m) - that is very strong staying form! Scored with plenty in hand in the G2 Voltigeur at York. By Galileo out of the blueblood Australian mare Hveger which makes him a full-brother to Highland Reel. BEST ODDS $26
Order Of St George (IRE)
4yoc (b) Galileo x Another Storm
A P O'Brien
Career 12 7-3-0
Earnings $595,277
RATING 124
COMMENT: Won the G1 Irish St Leger (2816m) by an astonishing 11L and Team Williams quickly snapped up a share. Has gone undefeated in three runs since, including a powerful 3L victory in the Ascot Gold Cup (4000m). Won his maiden by 8.5L over a mile and looks versatile. The ruling Cup favourite and deservedly so. BEST ODDS $15
Sword Fighter (IRE)
3yoc (baybrown) Galileo x Tarbela
A P O'Brien
Career 7 3-1-2
Earnings $81,620
RATING 105
COMMENT: Beaten 3.5L by Big Orange and Pallasator in the G2 Goodwood Cup (3219m) as the 9/2F when copping a squeeze late. Led all the way to score over the Melbourne Cup distance in the Listed Queen's Vase (3219m) at Ascot when sent out big odds ($34) two starts prior. Potential to be deployed as a pacemaker for his stablemates? Enjoys soft ground. BEST ODDS $34
The Major General (IRE)
3yoc (b) Galileo x Scribonia
A P O'Brien
Career 9 2-1-2
Earnings $37,565
RATING 109
COMMENT: Yet another Galileo who is a Listed winner over 2400m at Leopardstown. A long last behind Idaho and Housesofparliament in the G2 Voltigeur (2400m) when sent out a $10 chance. Doesn't look to possess the same level of class as some of his stablemates. BEST ODDS $51
Unicorn (IRE)
3yoc (b) Galileo x One Moment In Time
A P O'Brien
Career 4 1-0-2
Earnings $9,971
RATING 95
COMMENT: You guessed it, another son of Galileo who has been to the races just four times and only once this year. His sole win came in a Leopardstown maiden over 1609m back in August last year. It would be a shock to see him start in the race. BEST ODDS $81
Heartbreak City (FR)
6yog (b) Lando x Moscow Nights
A J Martin
Career 21 6-0-3
Earnings $142,661
RATING 103
COMMENT: French-bred Irish-trained six-year-old who is a three-times winner over the two miles of the Melbourne Cup (including twice over the hurdles!). Will stay all day but is he brilliant enough? BEST ODDS $51
Clondaw Warrior (IRE)
9yog (br) Overbury x Thespian
W P Mullins
Career 41 10-6-9
Earnings $552,611
RATING 143
COMMENT: The first of two runners from the all-conquering Willie Mullins yard, trainer of last year's runner-up Max Dynamite. Another who has done plenty of racing over the jumps (15 of his 40 starts) but the trainer is very shrewd - if Mullins brings him over he might well measure up at big odds. Runner-up to American Melbourne Cup entrant Da Big Hoss in the G3 American St Leger Stakes (2716m) at Arlington (finished off very nicely!). BEST ODDS $67
Wicklow Brave (GB)
7yog (b) Beat Hollow x Moraine
W P Mullins
Career 28 8-3-4
Earnings $361,067
RATING 109
COMMENT: Three-time hurdles winner (from 13 jumps starts) whose last win came back in May 2015. In the mix behind Big Orange/Pallasator/Sword Fighter/Quest For More when beaten 3.25L in the G2 Goodwood Cup over two miles then a 3.8L third behind Quest For More and Pallasator in the G2 Lonsdale Cup (3319m). Another who will stick on but not sure he's brilliant enough. BEST ODDS $51
The English-trained challengers
Francis Of Assisi (IRE)
6yog (b) Danehill Dancer x Queen Cleopatra
C Appleby
Career 16 6-1-1
Earnings $5,418
RATING 103
COMMENT: Hurdler who joined the Appleby stable after finishing 42L adrift at Aintree in April. Has been even in two runs over 2816m for his new trainer, beaten 4.5L and 6.5L respectively. Would need to find a few lengths. BEST ODDS $101
Oceanographer (GB)
4yog (b) Sea The Stars x Que Puntual
C Appleby
Career 9 4-0-0
Earnings $16,043
RATING 100
COMMENT: Hit-or-miss galloper that has won four from nine starts with zero minor placings. Last start was his first try beyond 2414m and he was well-beaten, finishing 9.5L off Heartbreak City. Prior to that he won a £20,000 handicap at Doncaster over 2066m. BEST ODDS $41
Qewy (IRE)
6yog (b) Street Cry x Princess Nada
C Appleby
Career 22 3-4-5
Earnings $27,397
RATING 104
COMMENT: Former hurdler who has been with Appleby for two starts. He ran a huge race first-up for the stable, finishing second in the Ascot Stakes (4023m) at $34. He backed that up with another second in the Summer Stakes (2816m) at Goodwood dropping back in distance. James McDonald piloted him in both outings. BEST ODDS $151
Scottish (IRE)
4yog (b) Teofilo x Zeiting
C Appleby
Career 11 4-4-1
Earnings $65,132
RATING 113
COMMENT: Currently a $26 hope for both the Caulfield Cup and the Melbourne Cup. Looks the clear standout from the Appleby contingent based on his four runs this year. He was beaten as favourite in the G3 Lancaster Stakes (2098m) but atoned for that with an impressive victory in the G3 Strensall Stakes (1799m) on August 20. Whether he can two miles remains to be seen. BEST ODDS $26
Second Wave (IRE)
4yog (b) New Approach x Tessa Reef
C Appleby
Career 11 5-2-2
Earnings $20,808
RATING 106
COMMENT: Consistent middle-distance type who has never raced beyond 2011m. Resumed from a five-month spell with a second-placing in Listed grade at Ascot before finishing on the heels of the placegetters at Goodwood over 1986m. Others make more appeal from a Cup perspective. BEST ODDS $51
Trip To Paris (IRE)
5yog (b) Champs Elysees x La Grande Zoa
E A L Dunlop
Career 23 6-3-2
Earnings $1,450,548
RATING 116
COMMENT: Surprised most with a second-placing in last year's Caulfield Cup before finishing fourth in the Melbourne Cup. He then suffered a tendon injury in the Japan Cup (2400m) which saw him on the sidelines for just over seven months. The Dunlop-trained gelding was okay first-up but struggled to make any impression in the Lonsdale Cup (3299m), finishing 7L off the winner. Lack of racing this year is a legitimate concern. BEST ODDS $34
Big Orange (GB)
5yog (b) Duke Of Marmalade x Miss Brown To You
M L W Bell
Career 18 7-2-1
Earnings $858,807
RATING 117
COMMENT: The Bell-trained gelding ran a big race for fifth in last year's Melbourne Cup on the back of a poor showing in the Lonsdale Cup where he was apparently unsuited by the ground (good to soft). He has been in strong form since then, placing twice before posting back-to-back victories. His latest win came in the G2 Goodwood Cup (3218m) which is generally a sound form reference. BEST ODDS $26
Kinema (IRE)
5yog (b) Galileo x Bon Nuit
R M Beckett
Career 28 5-7-2
Earnings $42,558
RATING 107
COMMENT: Joined the Beckett stable in May this year and won his first two outings in comfortable fashion. Came up against stronger opposition in the Goodwood Cup (3218m) and finished nearly 10L back. Was tested again last start in the Ebor Handicap (2816m) and failed to measure up. It's hard to recommend him on his last couple. BEST ODDS $101
Barsanti (IRE)
4yog (b) Champs Elysees x Silver Star
R Varian
Career 10 4-2-3
Earnings $64,130
RATING 105
COMMENT: Lightly-raced stayer from the Varian stable who has won four of his last six starts. He finished 2L ahead of subsequent Lonsdale Cup winner Quest For More two runs back before winning a 2414m handicap at York on August 19. Although he's yet to be tested against really high-quality opposition, he does look to have nice upside. BEST ODDS $34
Beautiful Romance (GB)
4yof (b) New Approach x Mazuna
S bin Suroor
Career 9 3-0-2
Earnings $73,593
RATING 112
COMMENT: Honest mare who outstayed them in a G2 for fillies at York in May. Thrashed by superstar Treve in a G1 at Longchamp in September 2015 (no shame in that, nor being streeted by Minding as she was at Goodwood). Not sure she's good enough, would be good to get another look at her under race conditions prior to the Cup... BEST ODDS $101
Elite Army (GB)
5yog (b) Authorized x White Rose
S bin Suroor
Career 9 4-1-1
Earnings $20,740
RATING 109
COMMENT: Godolphin galloper who was terrible in the G3 Glorious Stakes (2414m) last start, finishing 26L off the winner. The stable claimed he was unsuited by the good to firm ground which probably doesn't bode well for an Australian assault. He's a two-time winner over 2414m, which is as far as he's raced. BEST ODDS $41
Important Message (GB)
3yoc (b) New Approach x Plaza
S bin Suroor
Career 4 1-2-1
Earnings $1,134
RATING 96
COMMENT: Has to be a doubt on this son of New Approach starting in the Cup given he hasn't raced since August last year. He broke his maiden status by 6L at Lingfield over 2414m but has had just one run since then, finishing third at Newmarket over the same trip. Has started a prohibitive favourite in all four runs but only saluted once. BEST ODDS $81
Secret Number (GB)
6yoH (b) Raven's Pass x Mysterial
Saeed Bin Suroor
Career 12 4-2-2
Earnings $565,908
RATING 105
COMMENT: Godolphin runner who came out to Australia last spring but didn't feature in any of the headline races. He instead lined up in the G3 Queen Elizabeth (2600m) at Flemington, finishing second (beaten 1.8L) to Dandino after racing up on the speed. He hasn't raced since then which means he's had just two runs since September 2014. BEST ODDS $61
Sky Hunter (GB)
6yoG (b) Motivator x Pearl Kite
Saeed Bin Suroor
Career 12 6-1-1
Earnings $585,150
RATING 108
COMMENT: Came into last year's Melbourne Cup in reasonable form but performed poorly, finishing 16.5L from the winner. He underwent a vet examination prior to the race after suffering some heel bruising but was obviously passed fit. The Godolphin gelding hasn't had a start since. $BEST ODDS $81
Exosphere (GB)
4yoc (b) Beat Hollow x Bright And Clear
Sir Michael Stoute
Career 10 4-0-2
Earnings $29,522
RATING 117
COMMENT: Not to be confused with the talented but ultimately disappointing O'Shea galloper of the same name. This Exosphere recorded a dominant victory over 2414m at Newmarket in late-April but has failed to repeat that effort in three runs since. On that occasion he finished some 9L ahead of fellow Cup contender Big Orange. BEST ODDS $34
The French-trained challengers
ERUPT (Francis Henri-Graffard)
COMMENT: The French-trained Erupt has competed in some of the biggest staying races around the world over the past 12 months. Finished fifth in the Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe behind Golden Horn before a sixth-placed effort in the Japan Cup (2400m). His best result in 2016 has been a second in the Group One Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud. Yet to be tested beyond 2500m. BEST ODDS $34
GREY LION (Andre Fabre transferred to Matt Cumani)
COMMENT: OTI are still in search of a Melbourne Cup win and have recently purchased Grey Lion to contend this year’s race. Formerly trained in France by Andre Fabre, Grey Lion will be trained in Australia by Matt Cumani. His recent performances at Group Two level in France have been average, including last start in the Prix Kergorlay over 3000m where he failed to beat a runner home. He would have to make rapid improvement when arriving in Australia and a Cups start looks unlikely at this stage. BEST ODDS $201
The German-trained challengers
PROTECTIONIST (Andreas Wohler)
COMMENT: The 2014 Melbourne Cup winner returned to Germany and his original trainer Andreas Wohler this year after failing to come up in a couple of campaigns in Australia. He has recaptured his best form, with a win at Group Two level followed by Group One success in the Grosser Preis von Berlin. A trip back to Melbourne remains unlikely with the Arc the more likely option, however he has been kept safe in early markets. BEST ODDS $26
RED CARDINAL (Andreas Wohler)
COMMENT: A recent purchase for Australian Bloodstock, the lightly-raced Red Cardinal is a lightweight Cup hope who will need to secure a victory in Australia to gain a start. Trained in Germany by Andreas Wohler, Red Cardinal finished third in a recent Group Three race at Newbury over 2716m. To squeeze into the Cup field he is likely to need a win in a race like the Moonee Valley Cup or Geelong Cup. BEST ODDS $67
The Japanese-trained challenger
CURREN MIROTIC (Osamu HIrata)
COMMENT: Jockey Tommy Berry was quick to commit to Japanese entrant Curren Mirotic earlier this year before partnering the veteran stayer in a race back in June. While finishing down the track on that occasion, Berry was happy to forgive the run given the wet track. Finished second in the Group One Tenno Sho (3200m) the start prior, beating home last year’s early Cup favourite Fame Game. He also placed in the race in 2015 behind Gold Ship and Fame game. BEST ODDS $21
Curren Mirotic is the sole Japanese Melbourne Cup nomination.
The American-trained challenger
DA BIG HOSS (Michael J Maker)
COMMENT: North America is represented in the Melbourne Cup nominations this year with Da Big Hoss. Trained by Michael Maker, Da Big Hoss was an impressive winner of the Group Three American St Leger over 2716m at this most recent start. He defeated Irish runner Clondaw Warrior by 1.75 lengths, who also holds a nomination for the Cup. Da Big Hoss has won four times at Group level in the United States over the past 12 months. BEST ODDS $51
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Idaho was HUGE in both Derbies and is even money for the English St Leger.
If he came he'd be a huge shout - similar profile to Bondi Beach last year but looks a much superior horse for mine.
Obvious concern for me would be the go to the Arc but if he landed here I'd be VERY interested.
If he came he'd be a huge shout - similar profile to Bondi Beach last year but looks a much superior horse for mine.
Obvious concern for me would be the go to the Arc but if he landed here I'd be VERY interested.
Being by Galileo points to 3200 not being a concern.
How's his turn of foot? Style suited to our racing patterns?
Not sure where theyre getting their best odds from,not looking very hard.
Cant see Idaho arriving here,very unlikely.
Godolphin have serious numbers nomd,Appleby obviously wants Scottish to have a travelling companion.
no summary of Manatee,maybe as hes been nomd in OSheas name?
The one who interests me a little is Varians Barsanti,York win was strong with a decent weight.
no idea if hes likely to get here though.
seth
Cant see Idaho arriving here,very unlikely.
Godolphin have serious numbers nomd,Appleby obviously wants Scottish to have a travelling companion.
no summary of Manatee,maybe as hes been nomd in OSheas name?
The one who interests me a little is Varians Barsanti,York win was strong with a decent weight.
no idea if hes likely to get here though.
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Idaho's form's excellent, but they may have bigger plans for him. And apparently the onscreen final sectional for his Great Voltigeur win was sub 11 seconds - so if that's accurate, he's got a turn of foot...
One thing that may count in favour of a trip down here though is that he's a colt out of Hveger, who was placed in both the SA and Australasian Oaks. She's the dam of Highland Reel, and apparently one of Coolmore's reasons for bringing him down here was that they had a view to his stallion potential here. Hveger's out of Circles of Gold, the dam of Elvstroem and Haradasun.
The Cup hasn't exactly been a stallion making race although a few are trying to change that (Americain, Shocking, Fiorente) but it just might be a factor in the decision for them.
One thing that may count in favour of a trip down here though is that he's a colt out of Hveger, who was placed in both the SA and Australasian Oaks. She's the dam of Highland Reel, and apparently one of Coolmore's reasons for bringing him down here was that they had a view to his stallion potential here. Hveger's out of Circles of Gold, the dam of Elvstroem and Haradasun.
The Cup hasn't exactly been a stallion making race although a few are trying to change that (Americain, Shocking, Fiorente) but it just might be a factor in the decision for them.
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The replay of the Great Voltigeur is here:
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/3/64243/
The last sectional of 10.17 seems dubious. But he was visually impressive.
http://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/race-replays/3/64243/
The last sectional of 10.17 seems dubious. But he was visually impressive.
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I think I saw this every year but I don't remember too many internationals not winning because they didn't stay (maybe Pop Rock).
As for racing pattern - would obviously miss the kick like all Europeans but again, if they are good enough that's largely irrelevant.
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Will be renamed Our Exosphere or some such equivalent if it came.
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Rate Varian HUGELY as a trainer but I think Barsanti would be struggling to make the field based on his European rating so probably would have to win and get in somewhere.
Doesn't look classy enough to me but if he came down here and won a lead up I'd obviously be interested.
Completely agree,great trainer & has had a look with a horse who clearly didnt handle the hype after a setback
Would have learned from it & if he arrives with this,Im on board.
Has given no indication that he will travel here though.
After 2015,Im less sure of whats required class wise
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Ignore 2015 - once in a century result - jumping at shadows if you're looking at trends based on that. Class will still be telling.
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