Melbourne's ability to self destruct

[kymhodgemansmo]

I remember raising some issues earlier in the year with regard to Melbourne and its disappointment as both a football club and team.

What is that makes the club continually self destruct on an almost bi annual basis now after years in the wilderness.

With the excitement of plaing in GF last year and a list of extremely talented youngsters, why are they languishing where they are.

Some fans took me to task about my criticism of David Neitz's leadership ability, but as the year evolves more and more so called experts are questioning exactly this. Has he improved in this role, or would he be a better player without this responsibility.

And off the field, where is the balance between a successsful businessman who knows little about football but a bit about running a relatively successful mining empire.

Should he be so autonomous in what he wants to do at a football club, and just why is there so much support for him.

He may have been the saviour of the football club, but has he past his use by date.

I am amazed at the groundswell of support he seems to have from the rank and file, but I wonder how Melbourne can continue to progress under his leadership when it apears obvious those respected around the club in a football sense have little or no faith in him (read Gary Lyon, Jim Stynes and the like).

Can someone please tell me where they are at, because a club with such history should not be living on such a roller coaster.

 

[kymhodgemansmo]

Just as I suspected .... Melbourne fans were all full of chirp at the start of the year but when it comes to giving a reasoned response when things don't turn out the way they would like, they go silent.

This post is not a criticism, just merely as I am interested in the position of a fellow Melbourne club whose tradition I respect and whose performances during my lifetime I do not.

If the club's situation cannot be discussed objectively by Melbourne people on a football forum, what hope does the club have.

For all of your pre-season chat and hype, the least you could do is discuss the current problems.

But as is always the case, no one responds because the issues may be a little tough to tackle.

No wonder the club is a laughing stock with fairweather supporters like this.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

they are all out at business luncheons at the moment Kym

wait untill about 3.30 before they come back to work

cheers

 

[CJH]

Fair go Kym! It's snow season at the moment! Wait until they come in from the slopes!

 

[kymhodgemansmo]

Mamma Mia has just started as well.

Just way too much on to think about football in the middle of Winter.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by CJH
Fair go Kym! It's snow season at the moment! Wait until they come in from the slopes!

*LOL* I was about to say, it was cold this morning, probably a good dump on Hotham! I can hear the Range Rovers firing up as we speak

 

[dee_girl9]

well all i have to say is this............. whateva
i dont care what u people think say or do, and your comments about my football club have no standing with me.

 

[Dave]

So you have no interest in discussing what could be done to improve your club DG9? That's what the thread was originally about.


Looks like it's not only dons fans that have no sense of humour guys.

 

[dees01]

OK I have just returned from my business meeting in the snow to read this.
Firstly, I think we had a right to be optimistic about this season. The players have let us down.
The only excuse I will offer is that we have the 2nd youngest list so perhaps inconsistency can occur. We should still be doing better though.
I think Neitz is fine. He was the only choice. The problem is they are not playing him in his right position.
Well personally I think Joe should go but he has the support of the members so he will stay whether I like it or not. But he should not have such control but the members will allow it.
He did not save the club, Hawthorn Members saved it.
Things will stabilise only after the board mess is sorted out.
And another thing, have some patience. We are not always on our computers you know!

 

[FitzroyJamesDio]

dees9 that response is so typical of you..fat girl

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

"Things will stabilise only after the board mess is sorted out. "

said DG9

which particular one are you talking about Dees9 ?

1964 ?
1965 ?
1981 ?
1996 ?
2001 ?

I'm sorry for being harsh but with your club it seems that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

... and still a Demons flag looks as far off as its ever been.

cheers

 

[dee_girl9]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
"Things will stabilise only after the board mess is sorted out. "

said DG9

which particular one are you talking about Dees9 ?

1964 ?
1965 ?
1981 ?
1996 ?
2001 ?

I'm sorry for being harsh but with your club it seems that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

... and still a Demons flag looks as far off as its ever been.

cheers

right u point out exactly where i said that sh!t about stabilising and ill give u half decent argument.

as for your team i dont see a premiership in the horizon for a long time. like i have to justify my opnions to any of u people. i dont see how discussing this will actually help the melbourne football club, i dont see them coming on here and going " hmm i wonder what they have written about us today" "i wonder what they r saying that might make us betta"
i just dont care what u people write or say about my club, u can say what u want, they r your opnions and i respect that (except for fitzroy gump)
and as for the fitzroy gump. drop the joke u little twat, its old

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by dee_girl9
i dont see how discussing this will actually help the melbourne football club, i dont see them coming on here and going " hmm i wonder what they have written about us today" "i wonder what
they r saying that might make us betta"

What's the point of these boards if not to discuss football issues? If it's nothing more than a glorified pissing contest it seems pretty pointless.

 

[dee_girl9]

Originally posted by Dave


What's the point of these boards if not to discuss football issues? If it's nothing more than a glorified pissing contest it seems pretty pointless.

yeah i know DAHHHH but it is not as if someone is going to print it off and present it to the footy dept at melbourne and say "Neale u might wanna look at this. these so called experts have put this together cos they know what is going on" no no no no my child. that is not going to happen. im not saying that u cant discuss it, u can discuss it all u like, i just dont see how it will actually help us. you guys can say whateva u like and discuss whateva u want, i dont care.

 

[BIG POPPA PUMP]

Originally posted by kymhodgemansmo


What is that makes the club continually self destruct on an almost bi annual basis now after years in the wilderness.

With the excitement of plaing in GF last year and a list of extremely talented youngsters, why are they languishing where they are.

Some fans took me to task about my criticism of David Neitz's leadership ability, but as the year evolves more and more so called experts are questioning exactly this. Has he improved in this role, or would he be a better player without this responsibility.

And off the field, where is the balance between a successsful businessman who knows little about football but a bit about running a relatively successful mining empire.

Should he be so autonomous in what he wants to do at a football club, and just why is there so much support for him.

He may have been the saviour of the football club, but has he past his use by date.

I am amazed at the groundswell of support he seems to have from the rank and file, but I wonder how Melbourne can continue to progress under his leadership when it apears obvious those respected around the club in a football sense have little or no faith in him (read Gary Lyon, Jim Stynes and the like).



Can someone please tell me where they are at, because a club with such history should not be living on such a roller coaster.

There is no doubt we are nowhere near where we'd like to be at this stage of the season and things are not running smoothly at all. If the reasons for why were playing like **** were clear then we wouldnt be having this discussion and we would be trying to fix them, but theyre not, so it's really up for discussion and everyone has their own opinion...Some people reckon it's because of the problems at board level, others think it's the players, others think it's the attitude. I reckon it's a mix of all of them.

IMO there is a lot wrong. For starters we seem to be a mentally weak team, and viewed as one by opposition players, supporters and anyone that knows anything about AFL. We were intimidated in last years grand final and can't seem to string a couple of good years together. Many of our players seem 'soft' and we are lacking a few good, hard at it type players.
We appointed the wrong captain. David Schwarz was the right person for the job. He is one of the few with the leadership skills required to be a captain and he wouldve fitted the job perfectly. I think Nietz is struggling with the captaincy and playing some of the worst footy in his career.
I know every team can use the excuse of injuries, but I don't see it as an excuse...its more of a reason. If you're team is injury struck (and youre not called Essendon) then basically youre in for a ****house year. Our midfield was our major strength last year and we have been missing at least a couple of our top midfielders in every match we've played. Steven Powell hasnt played all year which has hurt the team more than what youd think. Jeff White's been carrying a knee injury and is struggling to jump. Farmer's only played a couple of games same with Walsh. But, on the bright side we do have a good list of young talent and many of our players are due back in the next few weeks just in time to make our finals charge

Our board has been up the **** for years now and the club can't seem to get anything right. Joseph Gutnik came in last year and things looked like they were improving, then this bull**** happens and it all comes up again. Gutnik is not at fault for the board disruptions and he is not at fault for the teams misfortunes so far in the season. He was and probably always will be unliked by a lot of people at the club and that is why were having the problems were having now. He had people running behind his back, trying to get rid of him when all he had in mind was the best for the MFC. He shouldve called the election ages ago and by this time the board wouldve been united and together as one.

I know Im being a bit critical, but you have to accept criticism and attempt to improve faults if we want even half a chance at being a consistently successful club.

Excuse the mistakes, Im rushing a bit, gotta get some sleep, im tired as hell

 

[dees01]

Originally posted by Bloodstained Angel
"Things will stabilise only after the board mess is sorted out. "

said DG9

which particular one are you talking about Dees9 ?

1964 ?
1965 ?
1981 ?
1996 ?
2001 ?

I'm sorry for being harsh but with your club it seems that the more things change, the more they stay the same.

... and still a Demons flag looks as far off as its ever been.

cheers

It was me that said that not dee girl.

What the hell are you talking about 1964-65. The only thing bad I know of that year was the Norm Smith saga. Anyway what is the point of bringing that up now.
As for 1996, that was the merger. The board was not divided.
Since then there has been trouble becuase one little man wants to run the place. So if the right result takes place in the election, yes it should settle down.

As for a flag, well it has been a while since the Swans have won one hasn't it?