Greening Magic
Club Legend
Phil Carmen = Sooooooooo bittersweet.
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No disrespect to anyone here but I am only interested in remembering the bloke I saw play the most amazing football, not the times a powder keg exploded. If the fuse had not ignited who knows what could of been but it wasn't. Phil Carman still played better, more dominant footy than I have ever seen any other footballer play in my lifetime.
No disrespect to anyone here but I am only interested in remembering the bloke I saw play the most amazing football, not the times a powder keg exploded. If the fuse had not ignited who knows what could of been but it wasn't. Phil Carman still played better, more dominant footy than I have ever seen any other footballer play in my lifetime.
No disrespect to anyone here but I am only interested in remembering the bloke I saw play the most amazing football, not the times a powder keg exploded. If the fuse had not ignited who knows what could of been but it wasn't. Phil Carman still played better, more dominant footy than I have ever seen any other footballer play in my lifetime.
No I can't agree with that. Carmen on song was untouchable. He shone shortly because he came at 24 and stuffed up early but he was at another level from Daics. Daics had special talents that were unique but he couldn't dominate the competition like a Carmen or a Greening or a Buckley or even a Swan. In State of Origin or in a lot of Finals Daics struggled to be the player he was at Victoria Park. That was never a problem for Carmen. Sorry for the sacrilege.Look Phil was good, but Daics has him covered for dominance, yes he kicked 11 that day at Moorabbin but Daics kicked 13 one day at Carrara and 97 for a small forward in the 1990 premiership year. No doubt that Fabulous Phil was a phenomenon, but he wasn't even our most dominant player of the last half century, let alone a Hudson, Abblett senior or a Matthews.
No I can't agree with that. Carmen on song was untouchable. He shone shortly because he came at 24 and stuffed up early but he was at another level from Daics. Daics had special talents that were unique but he couldn't dominate the competition like a Carmen or a Greening or a Buckley or even a Swan. In State of Origin or in a lot of Finals Daics struggled to be the player he was at Victoria Park. That was never a problem for Carmen. Sorry for the sacrilege.
It's a good pont you make. I don't doubt I was seduced by Carmen in 1975. It was his only great season. It's unfair on Daics who was so good for so long and overcame injury. But Carmen was so good in 75 and I was 14 yo and already a footy addict. He has always been such a "what if" in my mind.It's not sacrilege, each to their own and all that. Just wondering which finals series Phil dominated? And Daics didn't get to play State of Origin when he was in his prime. As I said previously Carman was a unique talent (he towelled up Bruce Doull and Geoff Southby in the interstate game) but Daics won us finals ('90 Elimination against WC, GF goals against the dons that lifted us, he also won us an early final against the Cats out at Waverley when he turned one of the Nankervis brothers inside out and slotted a fabulous goal in the dying minutes).
Carman was a better mark, Daics a far better kick (on both feet), Carman was a better athlete but Daicos was a better footballer....How'd you like to have them in our side right now?
Daicos only got 3 possessions in the 1990 GF, two of which were freakish goals. He did struggle to win a lot of the football in his later years.No I can't agree with that. Carmen on song was untouchable. He shone shortly because he came at 24 and stuffed up early but he was at another level from Daics. Daics had special talents that were unique but he couldn't dominate the competition like a Carmen or a Greening or a Buckley or even a Swan. In State of Origin or in a lot of Finals Daics struggled to be the player he was at Victoria Park. That was never a problem for Carmen. Sorry for the sacrilege.
Daicos only got 3 possessions in the 1990 GF, two of which were freakish goals. He did struggle to win a lot of the football in his later years.
Daicos only got 3 possessions in the 1990 GF, two of which were freakish goals. He did struggle to win a lot of the football in his later years.
Where do you rate Moore?And yet he's only on the second rung of Pies champions in my book.
Where do you rate Moore?
Just interested.
Fair call.He's in my "if you had to pick a side to play for your life" team!!
I had him in the forward pocket alternating in the ruck with Len Thompson.
On my rungs list....Peter Moore is on level 4 along with Thommo, Gavin Brown, James Clement and Wayne Richardson.
Couldn't fit Burns in there?Since 1970
H Shaw Morwood Reid
Brown Picken Clement
Barham Price Millane
Dunne Cloke Greening
Moore McKenna Daicos
Thompson Buckley Swan
A Shaw Pendlebury Tuddenham W Richardson
Emer: Wearmouth R Shaw Daisy
Couldn't fit Burns in there?
Yep.I dunno, is he better than the 3 emergencies? McGuane and Wright aren't there either.. it's a nightmare
Wish we had it today.How about that forwardline though
Agree 100%.Phil Carman still played better, more dominant footy than I have ever seen any other footballer play in my lifetime.
Look Phil was good, but Daics has him covered for dominance, yes he kicked 11 that day at Moorabbin but Daics kicked 13 one day at Carrara and 97 for a small forward in the 1990 premiership year. No doubt that Fabulous Phil was a phenomenon, but he wasn't even our most dominant player of the last half century, let alone a Hudson, Abblett senior or a Matthews.
Yeah that's just super but we play for flags and he cost us one and didn't win us one