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[Kong]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

i'd say stanton, too.
despite the plethora of knockers on big footy, i think he will be AT LEAST a solid on-baller in our next premiership.

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

2 words Ben Cousins

2 words no thanks.

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Backline: Ryder, Pears, Dempsey, Nash, Myers, Slattery

Midfield: Watson, Stanton, Houli, Hislop, Lonergan, Hocking

Forward: Gumbleton, Neagle, Daniher, Jetta, Reimers, Davey

Our premiership drought will be longer than St Kilda's if we are going to build a premiership around Slattery.

 

[The_Young_Gun]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Houli, Reimers, Hislop....

 

[thebigboy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Pears, Ryder, Myers, Gumbelton and Neagle will hopefully turn out to be the spine of our next premiership side.

Then you have to add in Houli, Riemers, Jetta, Dempsey, Hislop on to that side.

Still needs work to develop into a finals contender. If we could possibly grab another tall defender (Nathan Bock style), ruckman (Good tap ruckman), 2 top midfielders as well as a small goalkicker (Paul Chapman/Nathan Brown type) then we will be on the right track.

 

[lamaros]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Anyone not mentioning Stanton is clearly an idiot. There is a reason he gets tagged every week and people like Buckley rate him so highly in the football world.

He's not an out and out star at the moment, and he might never get to the elite level, but he will be a decent player for us for the next 10 years.

The folowing players are going to be in our team for a while:

Davey, Gumbleton, Houli, Jetta, Lonergan, Lovett, Myers, Neagle, Pears, Ryder, Stanton, Watson

Others who will probably be there:

Daniher, Dempsey, Dyson, Hille, Hislop, Laycock, Nash, Reimers, Slattery, Welsh, Winders

 

[Lynch takes a mark]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

2x A-Grade mids - Don't have them
4x B-Grade mids Waston/Myers/Houli/Hislop/Stanton level
1x A-Grade inside power forward - Gumbleton/Lucas
1x A-Grade Inside key defender - make do with Pears & Ryder

A-Grade mids and forwards are definitely the hardest to get, both are genuine top 3 draft picks/father son or Superdraft top 10. The others can be picked up later in the first round and onwards.

West Coast have the defenders (Brown/Glass/Mackenzie/Spangher) the forward (Kennedy) and about 5 genuine B-Grade mids (Butler/Ebert/Masten/Hurn/Priddis) but only the 1 definite A-Grade (Kerr) and 2 potentiality/borderline A-Grade but most likely B-grade (Hurn & Masten)

Huge amount of competition for Daniel Rich this year - the only genuine A-Grade mid IMO and west coast will take the pain this year for the long term gain that will result.

Gone are the days of getting Goodes, Mitchell and Black in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th round as talent is identified and tracked far more closely these days and draft position is likely a good indication of projected talent level - production at the highest level is different thing entirely though.

Selwood, Gibbs, Murphy, Griffen & Cooney are the ones since the 01 draft which looks like it has around 6 (Mitchell/Hodge/Ablett/Bartel/Judd) which is freakish.

You want a genuine A-Grade mid these days then you are definitely going to have to have a top 3 draft pick or a really bloody good draft - most years you will get 1-2 and then about 5 good to above average prospects.

 

[Sigmund]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Backline: Ryder, Pears, Dempsey, Nash, Myers, Slattery

Midfield: Watson, Stanton, Houli, Hislop, Lonergan, Hocking

Forward: Gumbleton, Neagle, Daniher, Jetta, Reimers, Davey

I am not sure if this is a midfield that can get us to a premiership in the next 5 years. I like back and forward, but not sold on middle.

 

[Kong]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Anyone not mentioning Stanton is clearly an idiot. There is a reason he gets tagged every week and people like Buckley rate him so highly in the football world.

He's not an out and out star at the moment, and he might never get to the elite level, but he will be a decent player for us for the next 10 years.

agree with you completely.
sick to death of stanton-knockers. he's 21 for christ's sake.

 

[Schmick]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Back: Pears
Midfield: Myers
Ruck: Ryder
Forward: Gumbleton

 

[Schmick]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Anyone not mentioning Stanton is clearly an idiot.

Can we really build our midfield around someone who's unnaccountable with average disposal?

Would be fantastic if he get's his disposal right and doesn't have the #1 tag, but definately isn't #1 midfielder material, should be 2nd/3rd string at least, see Leigh Montagna.

 

[marcuz]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

One bloke, Scott Gumbleton.

He'll win more games off his own boot than any other bomber over the next decade. Great teams usually are built around great forwards

 

[lamaros]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

One bloke, Scott Gumbleton.

He'll win more games off his own boot than any other bomber over the next decade. Great teams usually are built around great forwards

Not anymore.

Geelong: Midfield
West Coast: Midfield
Sydney: Whole Team
Port: Whole Team
Brisbane: Midfield
Essendon: Whole Team

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

2 words Ben Cousins

2 words: Not in

I think that the spine is the most vital, and that the midfielders can be replaced/improved more easily.

Key defence: Pears, Johns (if he really turns it on this year), major focus in drafting. I'd like Ryder to play further up the ground, if not in the ruck, at least in the midfield.

Key forward: Gumbleton, Neagle, Daniher. Plenty here, and can be topped up easily over the next few drafts with a few speculative picks.

Ruck: Hille, Laycock (if he gets his head into gear), Bellchambers, Ryder pinch-hitting is plenty good enough for me.

Midfield: plenty here, and they don't need naming, just being played.

There's still work to be done in the drafts, but we're well on the way.

If Houli, Reimers, Hislop, Jetta, Lonergan, Hocking, Myers et al. get 15 - 20 games this year each, and more next year, we could still scrape a genuine finals push out of Lucas, Lloyd, Fletch and possibly Michael.

 

[dougthelegend]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

The best thing we have on our list atm is good young forwards. I think Neagle will become a very good full forward, and with Gumbleton at CHF we will have a very good forward line still once Lloyd/Lucas retire. This is where we build our next side around.

Basically everything else needs work. We have a promising group of midfielders, and you'd hope that at least a couple of them will make it.
Myers is the guy we're banking on becoming an elite midfielder, I don't think we would have drafted him this high if we only saw him as a flanker long term. Pears will become a good CHB if he grows, which will allow Ryder to become a mobile ruck/utility - along with Myers is one we want to become a match winner.

So Neagle, Gumbleton, Myers and Ryder are the players we build the rest of the side around from the current group.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

agree with you completely.
sick to death of stanton-knockers. he's 21 for christ's sake.

I'm sick to death of stanton-lovers. He's no good. I feel like a broken record, he's no better than ANY other midfielder of an opposition team in the competition. He's got less potential than ANY other young midfielder in the competition. He's got the poorest disposal of ANY other midfielder in the competition.

What can he do equal to or better than ANY other midfielder in the competition? "He's 21" is a cop out, he's soon to be 22 and he's been on the list for 5 years, same amount of time as Courtney Johns.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

2 words: Not in

I think that the spine is the most vital, and that the midfielders can be replaced/improved more easily.

Key defence: Pears, Johns (if he really turns it on this year), major focus in drafting. I'd like Ryder to play further up the ground, if not in the ruck, at least in the midfield.

Key forward: Gumbleton, Neagle, Daniher. Plenty here, and can be topped up easily over the next few drafts with a few speculative picks.

Ruck: Hille, Laycock (if he gets his head into gear), Bellchambers, Ryder pinch-hitting is plenty good enough for me.

Midfield: plenty here, and they don't need naming, just being played.

There's still work to be done in the drafts, but we're well on the way.

If Houli, Reimers, Hislop, Jetta, Lonergan, Hocking, Myers et al. get 15 - 20 games this year each, and more next year, we could still scrape a genuine finals push out of Lucas, Lloyd, Fletch and possibly Michael.

I like your optimism.

Fletcher and Michael are finished in all honesty though.

 

[Ricky]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

If we are going to base our future on Gumbleton we are f_____ then
the guy is to injury prone. as much as id like to see him out on the field playing for us seeing if he is really that good, for the 5 games that he has played I haven't seen anything to be excited about....yet. I know some people will come out and say yeah big blokes need more time and everything like that but he has already wasted a year and half of that time. I hope not but, he is bound to go back to WA within the next 5 years

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

If we are going to base our future on Gumbleton we are f_____ then
the guy is to injury prone. as much as id like to see him out on the field playing for us seeing if he is really that good, for the 5 games that he has played I haven't seen anything to be excited about....yet. I know some people will come out and say yeah big blokes need more time and everything like that but he has already wasted a year and half of that time. I hope not but, he is bound to go back to WA within the next 5 years

I just dont think we should base our team around a CHF when the game has transitioned to midfield domination equaling success and the last 2 teams too win a Flag have had average CHF's.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

I'm sick to death of stanton-lovers. He's no good. I feel like a broken record, he's no better than ANY other midfielder of an opposition team in the competition. He's got less potential than ANY other young midfielder in the competition. He's got the poorest disposal of ANY other midfielder in the competition.

What can he do equal to or better than ANY other midfielder in the competition? "He's 21" is a cop out, he's soon to be 22 and he's been on the list for 5 years, same amount of time as Courtney Johns.

I'm sick to death of people like you knocking Stanton.

You just shoot off at the mouth without looking at the game in context and if he has a bad possi or game then you get stuck into him and write him off.

He has flaws like 99% of players out there.

Why don't you compare him to other good young midfielders? How's he travelling in comparison to Jed Adcock?

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

I'm sick to death of people like you knocking Stanton.

You just shoot off at the mouth without looking at the game in context and if he has a bad possi or game then you get stuck into him and write him off.

He has flaws like 99% of players out there.

Why don't you compare him to other good young midfielders? How's he travelling in comparison to Jed Adcock?

I'd take Adcock, Palmer, Rischitelli, J. Sellwood, N. Jones, Murphy, Gibbs, Foley, Pendlebury, Van Berlo etc. over Stanton any day of the week.

Shooting off at the mouth am I? When does Stanton have a good game?

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

I'd take Adcock, Palmer, Rischitelli, J. Sellwood, N. Jones, Murphy, Gibbs, Foley, Pendlebury, Van Berlo etc. over Stanton any day of the week.

Shooting off at the mouth am I? When does Stanton have a good game?

Give us a game by game breakdown of all the players mentioned above including number of disposals and number of efficient disposals.

Then compare to Stanton.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

I'd take Adcock, Palmer, Rischitelli, J. Sellwood, N. Jones, Murphy, Gibbs, Foley, Pendlebury, Van Berlo etc. over Stanton any day of the week.

Shooting off at the mouth am I? When does Stanton have a good game?

Only Selwood, Murphy and Foley would be ahead or about the same.

Stanton has done more than the others in his career.

He's had a few reasonable games this year(3 goals, 25 pos against Dogs) but has been generally below par... just like Adcock, Rishitelli and a few others.

Stanton's start to last year was great before he get injured.

Surround him with a bit more quality and watch him perform. The sooner you get into your head the he's not an inside mid and never will be a Judd or Ablett then you might begin to understand what his strengths are and how the team can use him the best.

I guess you know more than Choco seeing he decided to tag Stanton with Kane Cornes on the weekend.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Give us a game by game breakdown of all the players mentioned above including number of disposals and number of efficient disposals.

Then compare to Stanton.

Look at the breakdown yourself, I don't care about Stanton's cheap possessions. If you want to base him on what the stats say fine, I'll base him on the fact he can't kick, isn't accountable and he is a poor decision maker with no footy smarts!

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Only Selwood, Murphy and Foley would be ahead or about the same.

Stanton has done more than the others in his career.

He's had a few reasonable games this year(3 goals, 25 pos against Dogs) but has been generally below par... just like Adcock, Rishitelli and a few others.

Stanton's start to last year was great before he get injured.

Surround him with a bit more quality and watch him perform. The sooner you get into your head the he's not an inside mid and never will be a Judd or Ablett then you might begin to understand what his strengths are and how the team can use him the best.

I guess you know more than Choco seeing he decided to tag Stanton with Kane Cornes on the weekend.

Who else would he tag? Being the "best" midfielder in that Essendon side doesn't make you a good midfielder. How did Stanton go by the way? Some of his kicking wouldn't make the reserves grade of the Southern Football League.

He's got nothing but running ability. If you can name 1 other thing then go ahead. Don't give me "his kicking has improved" that's in denial that his kicking is crap!