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[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Look at the breakdown yourself, I don't care about Stanton's cheap possessions. If you want to base him on what the stats say fine, I'll base him on the fact he can't kick, isn't accountable and he is a poor decision maker with no footy smarts!

You want to make comparisons - then back them up.

You are so far gone with your prejudice/hate/stupidity that if Stanton had 40 possessions at 80% efficiency with 8 tackles and 4 goals that you'd still find something to complain about.

YOU HAVE GOT NO IDEA.

 

[RangaInTeal]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Ryder, Neagle, Gumby, Houli, Jetta, Pears, Myers, Belchambers

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

You want to make comparisons - then back them up.

You are so far gone with your prejudice/hate/stupidity that if Stanton had 40 possessions at 80% efficiency with 8 tackles and 4 goals that you'd still find something to complain about.

YOU HAVE GOT NO IDEA.

Please don't use capital letters, it really hurts my feelings!

You have no argument do you? I think your example of him getting 40 touches at 80% efficiency etc. is one of the more rediculous things I've read.

Why would I hate Stanton, just because I think he's crap doesn't mean I hate him, what are you 12???

Sorry but a fundamental of the game is the ability to kick. If you are an outside midfielder and you can't kick, you are crap! I can't put it in more simple English.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Who else would he tag? Being the "best" midfielder in that Essendon side doesn't make you a good midfielder. How did Stanton go by the way? Some of his kicking wouldn't make the reserves grade of the Southern Football League.

He's got nothing but running ability. If you can name 1 other thing then go ahead. Don't give me "his kicking has improved" that's in denial that his kicking is crap!

Nathan Buckley has said multiple times that Stanton is a good penetrating kick of the football.

I guess you now know more the Bucks as well.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Not anymore.

Geelong: Midfield
West Coast: Midfield
Sydney: Whole Team
Port: Whole Team
Brisbane: Midfield
Essendon: Whole Team

Geelong supporters say that Cam Mooney is their most important player.
The Cats also went aggressively after Ottens and got him, to play forward/ruck.

The Swans has O'Louglin and went out and got Barry Hall. They built a team around Hall.

Port built a team around Tredrea.

Brisbane, Lynch, Bradshaw, Brown.

Essendon, Lloyd, Lucas, Hird. We didn't have a great midfield (hard working) but an awesome forward line and a very strong backline.

West Coast are the only exception.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Nathan Buckley has said multiple times that Stanton is a good penetrating kick of the football.

I guess you now know more the Bucks as well.

Oh my lord. Just forget it. Can't be bothered arguing, I think he's crap, you don't. I don't think he'll play a part in an Essendon premiership, you do!

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Please don't use capital letters, it really hurts my feelings!

You have no argument do you? I think your example of him getting 40 touches at 80% efficiency etc. is one of the more rediculous things I've read.

Why would I hate Stanton, just because I think he's crap doesn't mean I hate him, what are you 12???

Sorry but a fundamental of the game is the ability to kick. If you are an outside midfielder and you can't kick, you are crap! I can't put it in more simple English.

Who is a good outside midfielder that you want Stanton to be like ?
Name six.

Who has a better efficiency rating this season ?
Nash or Stanton.

Unfortunately you look at Stantons kicking style and assume he can't kick without looking at the actual result. I'd imagine you think that Nash is a marvellous distributor of the ball.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Oh my lord. Just forget it. Can't be bothered arguing, I think he's crap, you don't. I don't think he'll play a part in an Essendon premiership, you do!

You'd hope so - he's only 21-22.
Personally I don't want to wait another 10 years for a flag.

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Nathan Buckley has said multiple times that Stanton is a good penetrating kick of the football.

I guess you now know more the Bucks as well.

Stanton is an ordinary kick of the football.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Stanton is an ordinary kick of the football.

So he gets tagged every week, is lauded as a penetrating kick by one of the greats who only retired just last season, yet according to some here, he can't kick.

Poor Stants,
Why can't he be 19 again and get 10 possessions a game at 50% efficiency ? Seems thats the only way you can get respect off some of the posters on this Board.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Who is a good outside midfielder that you want Stanton to be like ?
Name six.

Who has a better efficiency rating this season ?
Nash or Stanton.

Unfortunately you look at Stantons kicking style and assume he can't kick without looking at the actual result. I'd imagine you think that Nash is a marvellous distributor of the ball.

Why would you say that? I've never said anything of the like, in fact I reckon I have posted something a long the lines of "please, don't let Nash kick out".

I don't care what Stanton's kicking style looks like, in fact, I posted that exact question a couple of weeks ago... Stanton's kicking is terrible and he can't hit a target, it's undeniable therefore that argument will cease now.

 

[d-mac3276]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

2 words: Too old!

Your kidding too old Cousins could play til his 35 the way he goes about it.
I agree with us going for him as our midfield could learn alot from him and even if he lasted only a coupla years at least these kids would get a 2/3 year learning curve out of it. We need a quality midfielder in our side whether it b a coupla years.
Its not like we'd have to give up anything for him.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Why would you say that? I've never said anything of the like, in fact I reckon I have posted something a long the lines of "please, don't let Nash kick out".

I don't care what Stanton's kicking style looks like, in fact, I posted that exact question a couple of weeks ago... Stanton's kicking is terrible and he can't hit a target, it's undeniable therefore that argument will cease now.

Name six good outside midfielders who Stanton should be compared to please ?

I think you've already been destroyed with your Nick Stevens argument so try and think of some other players.

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

If we are going to base our future on Gumbleton we are f_____ then
the guy is to injury prone. as much as id like to see him out on the field playing for us seeing if he is really that good, for the 5 games that he has played I haven't seen anything to be excited about....yet. I know some people will come out and say yeah big blokes need more time and everything like that but he has already wasted a year and half of that time. I hope not but, he is bound to go back to WA within the next 5 years

Essendons 2000 premiership was built around a guy named James Hird.

How many games did he play in his first two years?

 

[SirJimi05]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

So he gets tagged every week, is lauded as a penetrating kick by one of the greats who only retired just last season, yet according to some here, he can't kick.

Poor Stants,
Why can't he be 19 again and get 10 possessions a game at 50% efficiency ? Seems thats the only way you can get respect off some of the posters on this Board.

He is a penetrating kick.

He is also an ordinary kick.

It has nothing to do with respect. He is just not a very good kick of the football.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Name six good outside midfielders who Stanton should be compared to please ?

I think you've already been destroyed with your Nick Stevens argument so try and think of some other players.

What Nick Stevens argument? Even so, I'd have Stevens over Stanton any day of the week, his delivery the leading forwards is only 1000x better than Stanton's!

6 players: Nigel Lappin, Shaun Burgoyne, Peter Burgoyne, Bachar Houli, Daniel Kerr and Jimmy Bartel.

Then the other midfielders I'd take over Stanton: S. Black, Jones, Ablett, Hodge, Mitchell, J. Carr, McLeod, Judd, Bolton, L. Power, Corey, Haselby, J. Sellwood, Adcock, can't be bothered anymore... you get the jist!

If you mention that Stanton is better than Jones, I'll mention that Jones is the same as Stanton only add a set of balls!

 

[Johnnyprinias]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Your kidding too old Cousins could play til his 35 the way he goes about it.
I agree with us going for him as our midfield could learn alot from him and even if he lasted only a coupla years at least these kids would get a 2/3 year learning curve out of it. We need a quality midfielder in our side whether it b a coupla years.
Its not like we'd have to give up anything for him.

Fair enough your opinion. I just think his not the best role model to have around the club. What will he be teaching our youngsters? Lets have a snort before the game? Dont want him at my club. If he comes im jumping off.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

What Nick Stevens argument? Even so, I'd have Stevens over Stanton any day of the week, his delivery the leading forwards is only 1000x better than Stanton's!

Unfortunately statistics do not bear that comment out.

6 players: Nigel Lappin, Shaun Burgoyne, Peter Burgoyne, Bachar Houli, Daniel Kerr and Jimmy Bartel.

Lappin is a HBF, Kerr and Bartel are inside midfielders. Happy to get the figures on the Burgoynes for you. Houli never has an opponent.

Then the other midfielders I'd take over Stanton: S. Black, Jones, Ablett, Hodge, Mitchell, J. Carr, McLeod, Judd, Bolton, L. Power, Corey, Haselby, J. Sellwood, Adcock, can't be bothered anymore... you get the jist!

If you mention that Stanton is better than Jones, I'll mention that Jones is the same as Stanton only add a set of balls!

In other words, he is not as good as some of the best midfielders in the competition according to you. I wish we had someone like Black, Ablett, Hodge, Mitchell, McLeod, Power or Corey

N Jones had been having a fairly ordinary year up until the last couple of games. I suppose you saw him on the Footy Show and assumed otherwise.

As for the other players J Carr has been terrible for Freo, Bolton barely okay whilst Haselby is out with a knee injury for the season and hasn't played.

Again you are still confusing inside and outside players. The only players that you mention that could be compared to Stanton on a positional basis would be McLeod and maybe Power.

Stop expecting Stants to be Chris Judd and maybe you won't get so down on him.

FFS - he is the best we've got at the moment with Spike out and by a long, long, long way.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Houli chops the ball much more than Stants.

But he's 19, so well all excuse him.

Oh and he has a good "kicking style"

 

[lamaros]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Geelong supporters say that Cam Mooney is their most important player.

They're wrong. Bartell, Ablett and Scarlett are. Mooney had a good year and helped, but isn't anywhere near as important.

The Swans has O'Louglin and went out and got Barry Hall. They built a team around Hall.

Who won the brownlow in 2006? Who is playing in the Hall of Fame game from Sydney this weeked? Hall was important, but the midfield was just as important.

Port built a team around Tredrea.

I'll grant you Port. Though when they finally won it they weren't as dependant on his as they used to be. It didn't work.

Brisbane, Lynch, Bradshaw, Brown.

Voss, Black, Lappin, Acker. You cannot argue that Brisbanes most important players were midfielders. Don't even try.

Essendon, Lloyd, Lucas, Hird. We didn't have a great midfield (hard working) but an awesome forward line and a very strong backline.

Exactly, not built around a single key forward, it was a whole team.

Not since Carey has there been a successful premiership team built around one key forward.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Houli chops the ball much more than Stants.

But he's 19, so well all excuse him.

Oh and he has a good "kicking style"

Give it two years Longy.

Donners will be down on him by then I'd imagine.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

They're wrong. Bartell, Ablett and Scarlett are. Mooney had a good year and helped, but isn't anywhere near as important.

I hope you watch every Geelong game then.

Geelong's success isn't built around individuals, it's built around game styles and structure. It's Mooney's influence that holds that structure together.

Who won the brownlow in 2006? Who is playing in the Hall of Fame game from Sydney this weeked? Hall was important, but the midfield was just as important.

Didn't the Swans win the flag in 2005?
Barry Hall was AA FF, Goodes wasn't in the team.

In 06 Hall was CHF in the AA team, Goodes on the wing.

Difference between best player and most important player is huge. Fletcher v Hird.

Regardless, the point was building a team around a player. That means putting a player in a position and then building the rest of the team around that player. This is exactly what Sydney did with Hall. They got Hall first, adjusted the rest of their list (IE Barry to FB) and recruited to fill the gaps.

I'll grant you Port. Though when they finally won it they weren't as dependant on his as they used to be. It didn't work.

Again, we're talking about building a team and structure. Not a day or season in isolation.

Voss, Black, Lappin, Acker. You cannot argue that Brisbanes most important players were midfielders. Don't even try.

I can argue it, but Brisbane were a powerful unit across the board. You can argue their backline was the cornerstone of their flags as well.

Exactly, not built around a single key forward, it was a whole team.

Our game plan had a very big Lloyd focus.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Unfortunately statistics do not bear that comment out.

Lappin is a HBF, Kerr and Bartel are inside midfielders. Happy to get the figures on the Burgoynes for you. Houli never has an opponent.


In other words, he is not as good as some of the best midfielders in the competition according to you. I wish we had someone like Black, Ablett, Hodge, Mitchell, McLeod, Power or Corey

N Jones had been having a fairly ordinary year up until the last couple of games. I suppose you saw him on the Footy Show and assumed otherwise.

As for the other players J Carr has been terrible for Freo, Bolton barely okay whilst Haselby is out with a knee injury for the season and hasn't played.

Again you are still confusing inside and outside players. The only players that you mention that could be compared to Stanton on a positional basis would be McLeod and maybe Power.

Stop expecting Stants to be Chris Judd and maybe you won't get so down on him.

FFS - he is the best we've got at the moment with Spike out and by a long, long, long way.

What is your argument Daytripper? Are you agreeing with me that he's crap or are you not? By stating he's the best we've got does not equate to him being a good player.

As for stats, if statistics suggest Stanton is better than all those players I mentioned then it says a lot about statistics! Does anyone in this world think that Stanton is better than the Burgoynes? Get the stats, it'll just point out how, ahem, pointless the stats are!

Also if you're calling Lappin a HB flanker well then so is Stanton... cos Stanton gets all his cheap possessions across the half-bank line... then Stanton gets it to half forward line and its rebounded quicker than you can say "oh my lord who the hell taught Stanton to kick?!?!"!

Bartel an inside midfielder??? Then what is Corey, Ling and Ablett??????? 13% of Bartel's disposals are contested, 3.7 contested disposals a game out of 27 disposals... how's that for a stat!!!!!!!!! Does this mean Bartel gets cheap possessions?

How many times does Stanton run behind an Essendon player to take the cheap disposal... got a stat for that??? I bet you don't... but I bet it's included in his effective disposal %!!!

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Geelong supporters say that Cam Mooney is their most important player.

Not saying you think this Longy, but that's a load of crap! Cam Mooney is the most overrated player in the competition, with Bartel, Ablett, Corey, Ling, Sellwood in the middle Courtney Johns would be made to look good!

N. Ablett kicked a bag in the GF FFS... he was as good as Peter Berbakov!

 

[Johnnyprinias]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Not saying you think this Longy, but that's a load of crap! Cam Mooney is the most overrated player in the competition, with Bartel, Ablett, Corey, Ling, Sellwood in the middle Courtney Johns would be made to look good!

N. Ablett kicked a bag in the GF FFS..he was as good as Peter Berbakov!

Ahhh, Peter Berbakov what a player!