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[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

agree with you completely.
sick to death of stanton-knockers. he's 21 for christ's sake.

By the way he is 22.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Not saying you think this Longy, but that's a load of crap! Cam Mooney is the most overrated player in the competition, with Bartel, Ablett, Corey, Ling, Sellwood in the middle Courtney Johns would be made to look good!

N. Ablett kicked a bag in the GF FFS... he was as good as Peter Berbakov!

Do you understand the concept of structure and game styles in modern AFL football?

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Houli chops the ball much more than Stants.

But he's 19, so well all excuse him.

Oh and he has a good "kicking style"

Just did a bit of research for our mate Donners. Am using Rd 2 onwards as Houli did not play rd 1

Avg disposals per game
Stanton - 21.83
Houli - 18.83

Avg effective disposals per game
Stanton - 15.02
Houli - 14.80

Avg kicks
Stanton - 13.83
Houli - 7.95

Avg handballs
Stanton - 8.00
Houli - 11.00

Avg contested posessions
Stanton - 5.33
Houli - 4.00

Note 1 : Stanton gets tagged every game
Note 2 : As Houli predominately handballs his effective possession rate does get inflated as you are less prone to error with handball.

I haven't got a statistic for effective kicking on its own but I'm sure Stants is well aheah of Houli.

Donners - will get you the stats for S and P Burgoyne later tonight. Will even throw in Kerr for you as well.

Hopefully you will shut up after that.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Might also want to compare the Burgoyne's as 21-22 y/o's to Stanton.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Might also want to compare the Burgoyne's as 21-22 y/o's to Stanton.

Haven't got that unfortunately.

This year should be sufficient anyway.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Do you understand the concept of structure and game styles in modern AFL football?

Cut the crap Longy. Stop talking the game into something it isn't, it's not complicated!

Do you know what the word overrated means?

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Do you know what the word overrated means?

Yes - your opinion on Essendon players.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

The game is complicated.

That's why football clubs spend 7 million dollars on players, 3-4 million on football staff and millions more on equipment each year.

Mooney doesn't play, they have no replacement.
Of all the players that made the AA team last year, Mooney and Egan made the most improvement.

Take Mooney out, they have no CHF.

It effects the way Chapman plays, it effects the way Stokes plays.

If you fail to recognise the importance a single player can make to a teams set up and structure, don't tell me to cut the crap, either run away or try and catch up.

 

[Kong]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

By the way he is 22.

thanks for that, 5 days before i posted that he was 21. minor details, he's in his 5th year; it's generally accepted players take 4-5 years to fully establish themselves.
look at adam cooney; number 1 pick in 2003 - the same year as stanton - for years people called him a lazy dud, now look at him in his 5th year: arguably the bulldog's most important player, taking games on, brownlow medal favourite.
stanton has pace, endurance, strong overhead, football smarts, (according to club insiders) a good head on his shoulders, a reasonable kick. he could potentially have another 10 or so years in football; give him time and he will work on his kicking efficiency (which i don't think is all that bad) and contested footy. he will be very important in our next flag tilt.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Just did a bit of research for our mate Donners. Am using Rd 2 onwards as Houli did not play rd 1

Avg disposals per game
Stanton - 21.83
Houli - 18.83

Avg effective disposals per game
Stanton - 15.02
Houli - 14.80

Avg kicks
Stanton - 13.83
Houli - 7.95

Avg handballs
Stanton - 8.00
Houli - 11.00

Avg contested posessions
Stanton - 5.33
Houli - 4.00

Note 1 : Stanton gets tagged every game
Note 2 : As Houli predominately handballs his effective possession rate does get inflated as you are less prone to error with handball.

I haven't got a statistic for effective kicking on its own but I'm sure Stants is well aheah of Houli.

Donners - will get you the stats for S and P Burgoyne later tonight. Will even throw in Kerr for you as well.

Hopefully you will shut up after that.

Well you got different stats to what I do:

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=105&pid1=2007048&tid2=105&pid2=2004033

Secondly I can't have a conversation with someone who thinks Stanton is better than the Burgoynes.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Someone mentioned Joel Corey.... hmmm, lets see.

He is averaging disposal efficiency of 69% this year. Stanton 70%.

It took Corey 6 years to average more that 20 possies per season. Stanton did it in his third year.

Lucky Donners wasn't managing the Geelong list a few years ago as he would have got rid of Corey, Bartel and a few others.

 

[BomberAce7]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

I'm sick to death of stanton-lovers. He's no good. I feel like a broken record, he's no better than ANY other midfielder of an opposition team in the competition. He's got less potential than ANY other young midfielder in the competition. He's got the poorest disposal of ANY other midfielder in the competition.

What can he do equal to or better than ANY other midfielder in the competition? "He's 21" is a cop out, he's soon to be 22 and he's been on the list for 5 years, same amount of time as Courtney Johns.

Agree Agree Agree!!!

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

The game is complicated.

That's why football clubs spend 7 million dollars on players, 3-4 million on football staff and millions more on equipment each year.

Mooney doesn't play, they have no replacement.
Of all the players that made the AA team last year, Mooney and Egan made the most improvement.

Take Mooney out, they have no CHF.

It effects the way Chapman plays, it effects the way Stokes plays.

If you fail to recognise the importance a single player can make to a teams set up and structure, don't tell me to cut the crap, either run away or try and catch up.

If they don't have Mooney they've got Hawkins.

Football clubs spend $7m each year because they HAVE to spend a minimum 95% of their salary cap... as for assistant coaches, what in God's name do they do exactly? What does Camporeale do, what does Gary O'Donnell do? Our midfield plays and our defensive assistant coaches do FA!

 

[BomberAce7]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Nathan Buckley has said multiple times that Stanton is a good penetrating kick of the football.

I guess you now know more the Bucks as well.

Who cares if he has a penetrating kick! They all go awol like every other possi!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Daniel Kerr - 66% efficiency this year.

Less efficient than Stanton..... Delist!

 

[ant555]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

It would be ok if those having a shot at Stanton mentioned his biggest problem. His kicking doesnt hurt us too badly. Yes he has the odd moment/turnover but i dont see it as part of his main problem.
The biggest problem he has is the lack of defensive aspects he has had in his game. He is one of the biggest offenders we have in not picking up a player when the oposition has the ball (note i said a player and not his opponent , im not expecting him to be tagging someone ).
Im not overly excited about his smarts when he plays in the center square either. Gets lost in the center bounce's often and fumbles a bit when he does have the chance to gain a clear possesion.
The best way for stants to have an impact is to be running up and down the wing where he doesnt have to defend too much and he can use his ability to run all day to its best advanatge. If he can work up and down one side of the ground and one half of the square without having to be in the middle for the bounce then i think he will be most effective.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Well you got different stats to what I do:

http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=105&pid1=2007048&tid2=105&pid2=2004033

They are different stats.

Daytripper used Champion Data stats, captured live at the game and provided to the AFL and all AFL clubs. They are the official stats provider to the AFL.

The stats you used are Prowess stats. Prowess provide stats to the Age and that's about it. They capture their statics off the tv.

Secondly I can't have a conversation with someone who thinks Stanton is better than the Burgoynes.

You can't have a conversation with anyone because you're reading things that aren't there.

 

[Longy413]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

If they don't have Mooney they've got Hawkins.

My god, you're serious!

Football clubs spend $7m each year because they HAVE to spend a minimum 95% of their salary cap... as for assistant coaches, what in God's name do they do exactly? What does Camporeale do, what does Gary O'Donnell do? Our midfield plays and our defensive assistant coaches do FA!

There's more to football departments than assistant coaches.

And Camporeale isn't midfield coach and O'Donnell isn't defensive/backline coach.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Secondly I can't have a conversation with someone who thinks Stanton is better than the Burgoynes.

Never said Stanton was better than the Burgoynes.

Just want to prove to you that some of the these 'glamour' players have just as, if not worse, efficiency ratios than the man you love to pot for no other reason than his kicking style looks awkward - It certainly isn't based on facts.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Adam Goodes - 68% efficiency.

DELIST!

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Adam Goodes - 68% efficiency.

DELIST!

Kelvin, can you look up a few others for me.
haven't got time at the moment.

Luke Ball
Lenny Hayes
Nick Dal Santo
Leigh Montagna
Andrew Embley
Brett Kirk
Nathan Foley
Marc Murphy
Scott Thompson
Brock Mclean
Daniel Cross

Thats it for now.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

They are different stats.

Daytripper used Champion Data stats, captured live at the game and provided to the AFL and all AFL clubs. They are the official stats provider to the AFL.

The stats you used are Prowess stats. Prowess provide stats to the Age and that's about it. They capture their statics off the tv.



You can't have a conversation with anyone because you're reading things that aren't there.

I'm reading things that aren't there??? What about the people reading that Stanton is better than the Burgoynes!!!

To steal a quote from someone else on BF, that's as dumb as a ******ed baby goat!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

Kelvin, can you look up a few others for me.
haven't got time at the moment.

Luke Ball
Lenny Hayes
Nick Dal Santo
Leigh Montagna
Andrew Embley
Brett Kirk
Nathan Foley
Marc Murphy
Scott Thompson
Brock Mclean
Daniel Cross

Thats it for now.

I think it's time I did a bit of work instead.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

I'm reading things that aren't there??? What about the people reading that Stanton is better than the Burgoynes!!!

To steal a quote from someone else on BF, that's as dumb as a ******ed baby goat!

Please show the post where anyone has stated that the Burgoynes are better than Stanton.

 

[The Donners]

Re: What players do you think we have to build our next generation of baby bombers around?

My god, you're serious!



There's more to football departments than assistant coaches.

And Camporeale isn't midfield coach and O'Donnell isn't defensive/backline coach.

Comporeale - Set plays from stoppages
O'Donnell - defense... never said backline!!!