Merged draft threads

[Schmick]

It is a risk taking a first rounder on a forward pocket- potential midfielder. Lot of ifs and buts. Honestly this will be our last time to get a A Class midfielder which we need BADLY.

Even if Yarran didn't turn out to be a midfielder, I wouldn't be disapointed using a Top 5 pick on him as he's a very good small forward and he's exactly what we are missing in our forward line ATM.

I really don't understand what the difference is between using a high pick on a talented small forward compared to a talented key forward, is it just a stereotypical thing because of the height? If so tell that to Brad Johnson, Williams, Medhurst, N.Brown, or Motlop who have all come winnin a few goals reach of the 10 goal haul before and manage to kick around 40-50 goals a season.

Don't underestimate the value of a good small forward, they can be just as damaging, if not more damaging than a Key Forward on their day.

 

[Burzum]

Didak was drafted as a small forward and now he's moved into the midfield playing like a star.

 

[Walesy]

Didak was drafted as a small forward and now he's moved into the midfield playing like a star.

Lots of people are drafted as a small forward... what percentage really moves into the midfield to become a star? 1%?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Anyone who knows more about the upcoming draft (keeping in mind that my knowledge is limited only to BF), feel free to correct me, but here's how I see it:

Rich and Naitanui are a class above everyone else, and will become elite players. They should, and will, go picks one and two.

Next, there is a number of players like Suban, Hurley, Hartlett, Watts, Yarran etc. They are all quality players, but not as highly rated as the first two. Each is just as likely to be a gun as any of the others. In other words, whichever one we take, would be rated just as highly as the others.

That's the impression I'm getting from here.

Following on from those assumptions, Essendon's choices. Clearly Naitanui and Rich should be one and two. From there, as the rest of the players seem pretty even, we should be picking based on position. I'm a huge believer in "Best Available", but when there are a lot of good players who are even, position needs to be considered.

If you look at our planned list for the next premiership assault (2010-2013), we have:
Key Back: Pears, Ryder#, Hooker*, Daniher#, Lee*, Johns*
Key Forward: Neagle, Gumbleton, Ryder#, Hooker*, Daniher#, Johns*
Ruck: Laycock*, Ryder#, Bellchambers
Inside Midfield: Lonergan, Watson, Hocking, Hislop, Reimers
Outside Midfield: Stanton, Lovett, Jetta, Davey, Dempsey, Houli, Winderlich
Small Defenders/Flankers: Slattery, Dempsey, Winderlich, Jetta
Small Forwards/Wingers: Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Jetta, Dyson*

Players reaching the end of their careers (who can play a role, but aren't the main focus of the team): Hille, McPhee, McVeigh, Welsh

*May not be part of our plans for the future/may not be on the list
#Position unknown

Undoubtedly, the place where we are the shortest is key defence.

Therefore Hurley should be our focus among the rest of the top 5-8 picks.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Even if Yarran didn't turn out to be a midfielder, I wouldn't be disapointed using a Top 5 pick on him as he's a very good small forward and he's exactly what we are missing in our forward line ATM.

I really don't understand what the difference is between using a high pick on a talented small forward compared to a talented key forward, is it just a stereotypical thing because of the height? If so tell that to Brad Johnson, Williams, Medhurst, N.Brown, or Motlop who have all come winnin a few goals reach of the 10 goal haul before and manage to kick around 40-50 goals a season.

Don't underestimate the value of a good small forward, they can be just as damaging, if not more damaging than a Key Forward on their day.

I'd be very disappointed if we used our top 5 pick in the strongest draft since 2001 on a forward pocket. He may or may not be a midfielder. I'd much rather take Suban or Hurley than take Yarran.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Anyone who knows more about the upcoming draft (keeping in mind that my knowledge is limited only to BF), feel free to correct me, but here's how I see it:

Rich and Naitanui are a class above everyone else, and will become elite players. They should, and will, go picks one and two.

Next, there is a number of players like Suban, Hurley, Hartlett, Watts, Yarran etc. They are all quality players, but not as highly rated as the first two. Each is just as likely to be a gun as any of the others. In other words, whichever one we take, would be rated just as highly as the others.

That's the impression I'm getting from here.

Following on from those assumptions, Essendon's choices. Clearly Naitanui and Rich should be one and two. From there, as the rest of the players seem pretty even, we should be picking based on position. I'm a huge believer in "Best Available", but when there are a lot of good players who are even, position needs to be considered.

If you look at our planned list for the next premiership assault (2010-2013), we have:
Key Back: Pears, Ryder#, Hooker*, Daniher#, Lee*, Johns*
Key Forward: Neagle, Gumbleton, Ryder#, Hooker*, Daniher#, Johns*
Ruck: Laycock*, Ryder#, Bellchambers
Inside Midfield: Lonergan, Watson, Hocking, Hislop, Reimers
Outside Midfield: Stanton, Lovett, Jetta, Davey, Dempsey, Houli, Winderlich
Small Defenders/Flankers: Slattery, Dempsey, Winderlich, Jetta
Small Forwards/Wingers: Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Jetta, Dyson*

Players reaching the end of their careers (who can play a role, but aren't the main focus of the team): Hille, McPhee, McVeigh, Welsh

*May not be part of our plans for the future/may not be on the list
#Position unknown

Undoubtedly, the place where we are the shortest is key defence.

Therefore Hurley should be our focus among the rest of the top 5-8 picks.

Problem though is looking at the midfielders none are A Class. That is what we are lacking. Forget the other areas, we really need a A Class mid- Myers may or may not be a pure midfielder.

 

[Merv]

I'd be very disappointed if we used our top 5 pick in the strongest draft since 2001 on a forward pocket. He may or may not be a midfielder. I'd much rather take Suban or Hurley than take Yarran.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It looks that way, it is at least the strongest since 2006. 2008 will be a great draft with heaps of players in the 3rd/4th round that are just as likely going to be stars.

 

[Burzum]

Could you please give me a profile on Suban, bombersno1?

I don't really know much about him other than what Ant and Great_Source have posted. What makes him rated so highly?

 

[Windas_Magic]

Yep I am the same with Yarran. I think we have Jetta to play that FP position anyway. Rather get real quality midfielder like Rich, Suban or De Boer

With our first pick? No chance. I'd consider him with our second pick, he can provide good run and take them on but his kicking is poor and the last thing we need is someone with poor foot skills

 

[Schmick]

I'd be very disappointed if we used our top 5 pick in the strongest draft since 2001 on a forward pocket. He may or may not be a midfielder. I'd much rather take Suban or Hurley than take Yarran.

Some say Yarran has just as good a chance as Suban if not better at becoming a great midfielder. So why Suban in particular?

How does Hartlett go? I havn't seen him play before but apparantly he has a bit of talent but has just been getting tagged out of it in games.
Can someone tell me a bit about him?

He could also be an option along with Yarran/Hurley if Rich isn't available at our pick.

 

[Schmick]

Lots of people are drafted as a small forward... what percentage really moves into the midfield to become a star? 1%?

The ones that have talent, which is why they are taken high in the draft.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I haven't see Hartlett, would not have a clue. Have read he is ok though. Lets assume Rich is not available as if he is he'll be picked up. Suban I do feel has great dispsal, and if Rich is not available I'd take him as he has the next best disposal. A roughie would be De Boer who has a lot of X factor about him. Again like Yarran it is a risk though. Hurley is the 50/50 one. Comes down to whether Pears is a long term FB or whetehr he will be better as a 2nd or 3rd defender. I think he is a FB, some think the other way.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Could you please give me a profile on Suban, bombersno1?

I don't really know much about him other than what Ant and Great_Source have posted. What makes him rated so highly?

Inside mid, great skills, good overhead. Not terribly quick but deceptive.

 

[Burzum]

How is his accountability? I know he's played as a small defender in the past.

 

[loopy_cam]

How does Hartlett go? I havn't seen him play before but apparantly he has a bit of talent but has just been getting tagged out of it in games.
Can someone tell me a bit about him?

Saw Hartlett for the first time on Sunday an he didn't have a great game. Copped a knock in the second quarter which would have impacted on this. Didn't get alot of the ball.

What I did notice was that he had alot of time when he had the ball. Was able to find his way out of traffic and used it pretty well.

Has anyone else seen him in one of his good games?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Hurley is the 50/50 one. Comes down to whether Pears is a long term FB or whetehr he will be better as a 2nd or 3rd defender. I think he is a FB, some think the other way.

As far as our list goes, I'd say it's whether Ryder is going to stay back, or move to another part of the ground. Knighter will be planning based on Pears coming good as a key defender. Whether we want Hurley is based on his opinion on Ryder's future.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Anyone who knows more about the upcoming draft (keeping in mind that my knowledge is limited only to BF), feel free to correct me, but here's how I see it:

Rich and Naitanui are a class above everyone else, and will become elite players. They should, and will, go picks one and two.

Next, there is a number of players like Suban, Hurley, Hartlett, Watts, Yarran etc. They are all quality players, but not as highly rated as the first two. Each is just as likely to be a gun as any of the others. In other words, whichever one we take, would be rated just as highly as the others.

That's the impression I'm getting from here.

Following on from those assumptions, Essendon's choices. Clearly Naitanui and Rich should be one and two. From there, as the rest of the players seem pretty even, we should be picking based on position. I'm a huge believer in "Best Available", but when there are a lot of good players who are even, position needs to be considered.

If you look at our planned list for the next premiership assault (2010-2013), we have:
Key Back: Pears, Ryder#, Hooker*, Daniher#, Lee*, Johns*
Key Forward: Neagle, Gumbleton, Ryder#, Hooker*, Daniher#, Johns*
Ruck: Laycock*, Ryder#, Bellchambers
Inside Midfield: Lonergan, Watson, Hocking, Hislop, Reimers
Outside Midfield: Stanton, Lovett, Jetta, Davey, Dempsey, Houli, Winderlich
Small Defenders/Flankers: Slattery, Dempsey, Winderlich, Jetta
Small Forwards/Wingers: Winderlich, Davey, Lovett, Jetta, Dyson*

Players reaching the end of their careers (who can play a role, but aren't the main focus of the team): Hille, McPhee, McVeigh, Welsh

*May not be part of our plans for the future/may not be on the list
#Position unknown

Undoubtedly, the place where we are the shortest is key defence.

Therefore Hurley should be our focus among the rest of the top 5-8 picks.

Good post. I concur key back should be our focus with Fletchers imminent retirement, and Im also hopefully Ryder will be moved to another part of the ground. From my uneducated opinion (D&T board) there is quite a bit of quality midfield depth in the upcoming draft, and would likely be able to sneak one with our second pick hopefully Swift or Deboer.

 

[Thomas Hird 2020]

Most talk here revolves around the national draft and who we could take, but has anybody thought about the pre-season draft and who might be available? If reports are to be believed then Warnock is keen to leave Fremantle and come home. Therefore it seems likely that Melbourne will take him as Jeff White is coming towards the twilight years and i doubt if any of Jamar, Johnson or Meesen can make the grade. So where does that leave us? Are there any other uncontracted players that would be worth luring to the club or should we use the pre-season draft to get another passed-over talent like Bellchambers?

One player who i would like us to look at is David Mundy from freo. He is a victorian boy, so therefore if melbourne take warnock and we finish 4th last behind the WA clubs then we would be next in line if he wanted to come home. He is only 22 and is a 193cm running backman with great skills who could take the 3rd tall opposition forward and run off and create off half back. I dont think he is reaching full potential at freo and could really benefit from a move. What do others think?

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Most talk here revolves around the national draft and who we could take, but has anybody thought about the pre-season draft and who might be available? If reports are to be believed then Warnock is keen to leave Fremantle and come home. Therefore it seems likely that Melbourne will take him as Jeff White is coming towards the twilight years and i doubt if any of Jamar, Johnson or Meesen can make the grade. So where does that leave us? Are there any other uncontracted players that would be worth luring to the club or should we use the pre-season draft to get another passed-over talent like Bellchambers?

One player who i would like us to look at is David Mundy from freo. He is a victorian boy, so therefore if melbourne take warnock and we finish 4th last behind the WA clubs then we would be next in line if he wanted to come home. He is only 22 and is a 193cm running backman with great skills who could take the 3rd tall opposition forward and run off and create off half back. I dont think he is reaching full potential at freo and could really benefit from a move. What do others think?

Not to keen on Mundy to be honest, has played great the last few weeks or so but before his last couple of good games he has been playing inconsistant and not being accountable for his man at most contests...He is very much a confidence player imo, when the teams got confidence, he has got confidence...I wouldn't target him as a trade option, but if we could get him for nothing in the PSD and stamp out some of his bad habits then he certainly could be a fantastic player...

 

[Windas_Magic]

Most talk here revolves around the national draft and who we could take, but has anybody thought about the pre-season draft and who might be available? If reports are to be believed then Warnock is keen to leave Fremantle and come home. Therefore it seems likely that Melbourne will take him as Jeff White is coming towards the twilight years and i doubt if any of Jamar, Johnson or Meesen can make the grade. So where does that leave us? Are there any other uncontracted players that would be worth luring to the club or should we use the pre-season draft to get another passed-over talent like Bellchambers?

One player who i would like us to look at is David Mundy from freo. He is a victorian boy, so therefore if melbourne take warnock and we finish 4th last behind the WA clubs then we would be next in line if he wanted to come home. He is only 22 and is a 193cm running backman with great skills who could take the 3rd tall opposition forward and run off and create off half back. I dont think he is reaching full potential at freo and could really benefit from a move. What do others think?

Other than Cousins, there won't be any big names that will fall to us in the PSD because we'll probably have 3 teams finish below us.
No way to Mundy, is Fremantle's Jay Nash (only better). Likes to run loose off half back. He is very good setting up the play but he's too unaccountable

 

[S.C[BANKS]]

Could you please give me a profile on Suban, bombersno1?

I don't really know much about him other than what Ant and Great_Source have posted. What makes him rated so highly?

Here's something interesting.

According to the NAB article in the AFL website, Suban was asked to play against Yarran in the back.

Suban sounds to me can play both defense and midfield.

 

[GoldenboyHird_5]

don't you think we should employ bombersno_1 as our chief BF Essendon draft watcher???

Stuff Ant_555, this bloke has all of the draftees covered after watching hours of tape and live games.

He's even telling us that Myers is highly doubtful to play in the guts after a great game there against Carlton.

What happened last year??? I recall that he made himself known as a joke for some issue?

Trust only the blokes who have seen them play, I for one will be steering clear of this thread until July 5th when we've all seen them play at the Dome.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

How is his accountability? I know he's played as a small defender in the past.

Very good, unlike a few on our list has good defensive awareness.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Most talk here revolves around the national draft and who we could take, but has anybody thought about the pre-season draft and who might be available? If reports are to be believed then Warnock is keen to leave Fremantle and come home. Therefore it seems likely that Melbourne will take him as Jeff White is coming towards the twilight years and i doubt if any of Jamar, Johnson or Meesen can make the grade. So where does that leave us? Are there any other uncontracted players that would be worth luring to the club or should we use the pre-season draft to get another passed-over talent like Bellchambers?

One player who i would like us to look at is David Mundy from freo. He is a victorian boy, so therefore if melbourne take warnock and we finish 4th last behind the WA clubs then we would be next in line if he wanted to come home. He is only 22 and is a 193cm running backman with great skills who could take the 3rd tall opposition forward and run off and create off half back. I dont think he is reaching full potential at freo and could really benefit from a move. What do others think?

Forget Mundy, but Murphy Murphy from Freo would suit better.