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it's self serving as it's clearly an album they wanted to create, not an album the record label wanted them to create.
it's incredibly different to what KOL did. KOL changed their style an alienated their fans for money. MGMT have not done this. sure they have changed their style, and this may alienate their fans, but the motives behind this are clearly not ones of financial gain.
but I must say your post gave me some massive lols.
Perhaps not, but a lot of bands have changed their style somewhat along the way, in fact I'd be surprised if any band hasn't, without doing it in such a way.
MGMT have openly said they resent the success they had with Oracular Spectacular, and in a bid to be less commercially popular and more exclusively 'cool' they've changed their ways so they are almost indistinguishable from their former selves.
I'm probably explaining it wrong, but I'd see this type of anti-selling out for public image, or lack thereof, is just as bad as doing it for money. Which they clearly don't need anymore.
MGMT have openly said they resent the success they had with Oracular Spectacular, and in a bid to be less commercially popular and more exclusively 'cool' they've changed their ways so they are almost indistinguishable from their former selves.
I'm probably explaining it wrong, but I'd see this type of anti-selling out for public image, or lack thereof, is just as bad as doing it for money. Which they clearly don't need anymore.
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They have shot themselves in the foot by trying to be so anti commercial, never bite the hand that feeds you.
My isssue is they say they never wanted to make OS they way it is yet they are more than happy to take the money. I think it is highly unlikely they actually didn't like OS but they were trying to be the typical cool triple j artists and tow the anti maintsream line. Congratulations is an up yours to the people that made them, which is a disgrace.
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That's what I was trying to say! Very well put.
these people that just listen to the radio and jump on and off bands after every 2-3 years?
im sure the band are going to appreciate the fans that give this album a few listens to let it grow and not the people that will download it once and then delete it straight away cause theres not a song that sounds like 'kids'.
best you leave this thread and stick to your Lady Gaga type of artists who will give you the same sounding song everytime.
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- #108
Hold on a second, if she made different music wouldn't she have sold out
On mgmt:
Are you referring to the people that have made them succsessful? The ones that ensured they even had a chance to put out a second album?
You can't have it both ways, you either accept the money fame and fans or you stay indie.
It's funny you know, when bands become popular they are suddenly commercial and have "sold out". WTF do you want the bands to do? stick to making music for a select group of fans that will earn them little money and accolades or expand their audience and have a much more succsessful career. People are such hypocrites, if you had the chance to make much more money and be more recognised you would take it, yet if an artist does it they have sold out.
Oh and apparently your not allowed to like a band's music unless you have followed them from the start.
I think we should leave bigfooty it's too mainstream, its changed man it used to be a small forum now there is heaps of members, bigfooty has totally sold out.
because they're artists - If you change what you do artistically purely for money, then you have sold out. if you change what you do artistically for experimentation and expression, and an unforeseen by product of that is greater recognition and money. that's not selling out. it's usually luck.Hold on a second, if she made different music wouldn't she have sold out
On mgmt:
Are you referring to the people that have made them succsessful? The ones that ensured they even had a chance to put out a second album?
You can't have it both ways, you either accept the money fame and fans or you stay indie.
It's funny you know, when bands become popular they are suddenly commercial and have "sold out". WTF do you want the bands to do? stick to making music for a select group of fans that will earn them little money and accolades or expand their audience and have a much more succsessful career. People are such hypocrites, if you had the chance to make much more money and be more recognised you would take it, yet if an artist does it they have sold out.
Oh and apparently your not allowed to like a band's music unless you have followed them from the start.
I think we should leave bigfooty it's too mainstream, its changed man it used to be a small forum now there is heaps of members, bigfooty has totally sold out.
no one has said MGMT have sold out. they did their thing and it got them some recognition and made them money. now they're changing their thing, some say it's because they don't like the recognition or money, others say it's just what they want to do. either way... that's not selling out. they've gone from a very pop hook based electro pop sound to a more experimental de structured style of song writing. generally to sell out, you do things the other way around
of course you don't have to follow a band from the very beginning to be a fan. But going through a back catalogue and learning a bands stylistic roots can lead to a greater understanding and appreciation of their current roots.
bigfooty is a bad example. bigfooty was started with the intention of making money, by reaching a greater audience it further succeeds in its original intention. music is a form of artistic expression, if you start making music with the sole intention of making money then you're doing it wrong
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- #110
Reverse sell out?
How can you gauge whether someone has sold out for money or have simply changed the direction of their music?
Do you think artists set out to make music with no intention of making money or gaining fame?
Everything can be an artform so your whole argument that changing what you do artistically for money doesn't sit with me.
I will say I dislike nearly all modern day mainstream music and that I do listen to mostly alternative stuff, however, I would be dissapointed if they purposely changed their style just to be "indie" again, the same way I was disappointed that KOL changed their style to be mainstream.
A lot of good points have been made on both sides of the argument, but I'll reserve judgement til I listen to the thing (I've only heard one song).
A lot of good points have been made on both sides of the argument, but I'll reserve judgement til I listen to the thing (I've only heard one song).
Omit is right. What we can't forget with MGMT is they have been around alot longer than Oracular Spectacular. They plodded along with nobody listening for years before hitting the big time with a few quality songs on an ultimately faily bland album. These songs were not overly mainstream in my opinion but contained enough catchy hooks and that radio friendly sound which eventually led to them being massive hits. They got repititive and very, very boring.
They made their money and resented the fact they had become a group very different to what they wanted.
So they changed their style back to something that suited them much more. They haven't made an album to alienate the fans which enjoyed their last album. They have made an album which they themselves enjoy and clearly this has frightened off the 'OMG MGMT ARE LIKE THE BEST BAND EVER' music listeners.
This direction change (unlike KOL) should be applauded. If they had continued down the catchy but little substance route. I would have paid no attention either. Just like you are with their new style.
really doubt they care what r dub 19 thinks tbh
where is this rule? or are you just talking shit?
You can't and claims either way are simply pointless distinctions made by music critics/commentators (who somehow think they have a better idea of what the album should have been like) to give the impression that they are actually saying something meaningful, when they are not.
Do you think that all artists are the same? Please tell me where Jandek fits into your "theory".
I don't even know why mgmt bothered to write the album themselves. r dub 19 and Toshowyouwhy obviously have a better idea of what the album should have sounded like, in accordance with the apparent "rules" of the music industry...
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- #114
really doubt they care what r dub 19 thinks tbh
makin' records, flippin' the bird
where is this rule? or are you just talking shit?
You can't and claims either way are simply pointless distinctions made by music critics/commentators (who somehow think they have a better idea of what the album should have been like) to give the impression that they are actually saying something meaningful, when they are not.
Do you think that all artists are the same? Please tell me where Jandek fits into your "theory".
I don't even know why mgmt bothered to write the album themselves. r dub 19 and Toshowyouwhy obviously have a better idea of what the album should have sounded like, in accordance with the apparent "rules" of the music industry...
I know mgmt don't care what I think but you can be sure that their record label will when they have low record sales.
I'm not saying it is a rule but the two can not co-exist.
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Had a few listens, really loving it 
OS was an awesome album. Apart from the main pop songs which got flogged to death, there was still so many songs that would get high rotation in the iTunes.
The fact is OS was never made to make it big, it was a great indie-electro album that got picked up as its usually a genre that is quite radio friendly.
Congratulations is much more of a rock album than the electric hooks we heard in 'Time to Pretend EP' and 'OS', and to a certain extent 'Climbing to New Lows'. Some of the Congratulations songs actually sound like the stripped down version of some of the OS songs like on 'We (Dont) Care'.
OS was an awesome album. Apart from the main pop songs which got flogged to death, there was still so many songs that would get high rotation in the iTunes.
The fact is OS was never made to make it big, it was a great indie-electro album that got picked up as its usually a genre that is quite radio friendly.
Congratulations is much more of a rock album than the electric hooks we heard in 'Time to Pretend EP' and 'OS', and to a certain extent 'Climbing to New Lows'. Some of the Congratulations songs actually sound like the stripped down version of some of the OS songs like on 'We (Dont) Care'.
when the chili peppers released 'californication' the kind of people that MGMT are supposedly saying @$$ you told the band there wasnt one hit on the album. well we all know what a effect the album ended up having in the industry and how much airplay it got on radio.
so bands shouldnt have to make music just to suit the taste of these people who probaly just sit at a desk all day and have never played a instrument.
as long as you've tried to learn at some point you're covered
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- #119
LOL, ummm most people sit at a desk all day for work
, I guess you mean they should only make music for triple j stoners/warrios.I played a recorder in primary school, so I'm good
Going by your theory a director should not make movies for people who have never picked up a video camera and made a story.
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Your really are missing the point aren't you??
I don't care if they change what they do. Every band changes from one album to another, and that is the way it should be. My point was WHY they have changed, and so drastically at that.
They are simply making an image-related point. In the same vein as how some bands (KOL have been mentioned) change somewhat to sport a more commercial image, MGMT have changed to sport a completely indie and almost underground theme.
I believe, while KOL's approach can be considered selfish and greedy, and therefore looked down upon, MGMT's reeks of arrogance and a disregard for what made them. Which is just as bad to me.
the album sounds pretty polished and accessible, please explain how they have gone underground?
Exactly. Writing an album which the Austereo network doesn't like, is hardly going underground. In fact I think it would be almost impossible for a band as internationally known as MGMT to GO 'underground'.
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Its a crap album. I like to get some enjoyment from the music i listen to, possibly get some emotional high through the lyrics, wonder at the musical talent. But "Congratulations" just bores me and makes me feel like i'm stuck listening to two high guys singing over the top of a gameboy.