Michael Hussey called up as cover for Justin Langer

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West Australians are easily the most biased, deluded posters on here.

I can't believe they haven't started the Casson > Cullen threads yet.
 

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Ok then , Hussey comes in to the side opens and makes a 100 .
Does he get dropped to make way for Langer to return , or does he keep a spot at the expense of someone in the middle order purely on form?

I think if he plays he will make way no matter what will happen in the test .
Langer will come straight back in and I doubt anyone else will be dropped (maybe the last test). But if Hussey does well, then he would be odds on favourite to replace Clarke/Katich when they are eventually given the boot.
 

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again, the no victorian selection policy, wat the hell is this hodge not coming into the team. Hussey is a good player, but hodge deserves to be there before hussey, as was said before, it was all well and good to call in katich as a reserve opener last yr, plus he's been playing like a dud in the middle order, the change might have done him some good.
 

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West Australians are easily the most biased, deluded posters on here.

I can't believe they haven't started the Casson > Cullen threads yet.
a) My 5 favourite state cricketers are from outside of w.a

b) I regularly speak to state players, and occassionally some international players, thus when I conclude that players such as Casson are good, it comes with back-up from such players. I don't make stupid comments without having evidence. I just don't like always saying on here what I've been told etc.

Apollo, feel free to pm me anytime for discussions on what i've said. I dont mind pm'ing it, just not on the main board.
 

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again, the no victorian selection policy, wat the hell is this hodge not coming into the team. Hussey is a good player, but hodge deserves to be there before hussey, as was said before, it was all well and good to call in katich as a reserve opener last yr, plus he's been playing like a dud in the middle order, the change might have done him some good.
Opener for opener. Best solution. This has nothing to do with Hodge as there was not a middle order spot up for grabs. If there was and he wasnt selected, then I would say Hodge fans have a decent arguement
 

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I am actually hoping Langer doesn't come up even though he is my favourite Aussie player.
Same (apart from the favourite player bit).

Why?

Because I believe Hussey is a better option than Katich, possibly even a better option than Clarke at #4 too. If he does well in this one test I'd like to see him come in for Katich and get some game time before the inevitable retirement of either Langer or Hayden.

Hussey > Hodge or Katich.
 

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Ok then , Hussey comes in to the side opens and makes a 100 .
Does he get dropped to make way for Langer to return , or does he keep a spot at the expense of someone in the middle order purely on form?

I think if he plays he will make way no matter what will happen in the test .
If Hussey bats well and Katich fails again I'd put money on it that Hussey would take Katich's spot. Hussey is ripe. Got to get him in now.
 

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Don't argue fact with opinion.

I've seen him bat a fair bit live and on television.
absolutely classic contradiction...

I particularly loved the scientific methods you used to distinguish between fact and opinion - I can almost hear the headlines now:


"...and the team behind a scientific study into the Australian Test team has today announced that, despite inital indications that he could swing the willow, Mike Hussey is indeed only 'average'."

"It was previously thought by the Australian sporting public that he was in fact "pretty good" but this new research has cast new doubt on the West Australian opener, downgrading this belief from 'fact' to 'opinion'."

"The study involved charting the approval rating of one lone sports fan watching him on television 'a fair bit' to establish once and for all that he is not the bee's knees as thought by some."


...sorry to be a smartass Apollo but you had it coming - opinion is opinion buddy, don't try to dress yours up as fact without a bit of evidence

peace
 

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Opener for opener. Best solution. This has nothing to do with Hodge as there was not a middle order spot up for grabs. If there was and he wasnt selected, then I would say Hodge fans have a decent arguement
Exactly, I don't think the selectors would have gone with katich to open when he cant even hold down a spot in the middle order. He was a good choice definitely over Hodge, but I think Hussey has definitely moved ahead of Hodge in the pecking order and is more versatile.
 

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hodge is next in line in the ashes series then b/c hussey makes runs in one dayers he gets the call up??!! i dnt get it? how can hodgey get in if he isnt given the oppotunity in either forms of the game? if he fails both innings then bring in hussey/jaques no worries.. but give the man a ********ing chance merv
 

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hodge is next in line in the ashes series then b/c hussey makes runs in one dayers he gets the call up??!! i dnt get it? how can hodgey get in if he isnt given the oppotunity in either forms of the game? if he fails both innings then bring in hussey/jaques no worries.. but give the man a ********ing chance merv
Maybe Merv's a turncoat or maybe the selectors thought an opening batsmen would be the best choice to open a test match.
 

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This selection annoys me. I'll back Eddie up on this one - they've selected makeshift openers in the past but all of a sudden it is an urgent requirement that a specialist opener is selected? Why? Have they forgotten that Langer was a specialist first or second drop when selected to replace Slats? You've got a bloke batting at 5 who struggles there but consistently makes runs when batting up the order and you don't push him up the order when you have the chance? Seems silly to me.

I think Hussey is a gun but his selection doesn't make sense. If you want a specialist opener, select the young guy (Jaques) who also has performances on the board. If you want to reward consistent performance, select Hodge to bat at 4 (allowing Clarke to drop to his natural position at 5/6) and promote Katich to opener.

The selectors had the opportunity to find out whether the next generation of top order batsmen is up to it and missed that opportunity. Alternatively, they had the chance to fix up an underperforming middle order and they missed that opportunity too.

Near-sighted selection policy IMO.
 

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This selection annoys me. I'll back Eddie up on this one - they've selected makeshift openers in the past but all of a sudden it is an urgent requirement that a specialist opener is selected? Why? Have they forgotten that Langer was a specialist first or second drop when selected to replace Slats? You've got a bloke batting at 5 who struggles there but consistently makes runs when batting up the order and you don't push him up the order when you have the chance? Seems silly to me.

I think Hussey is a gun but his selection doesn't make sense. If you want a specialist opener, select the young guy (Jaques) who also has performances on the board. If you want to reward consistent performance, select Hodge to bat at 4 (allowing Clarke to drop to his natural position at 5/6) and promote Katich to opener.

The selectors had the opportunity to find out whether the next generation of top order batsmen is up to it and missed that opportunity. Alternatively, they had the chance to fix up an underperforming middle order and they missed that opportunity too.

Near-sighted selection policy IMO.
They dropped Slater a day or so before the last test of an Ashes series in England. The only option was Langer, none of the guys playing county cricket would have been up for international duty.
 

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They dropped Slater a day or so before the last test of an Ashes series in England. The only option was Langer, none of the guys playing county cricket would have been up for international duty.
This actually supports my position - in that instance, they didn't have to drop Slater and they chose to do so to replace him with a non-specialist - so they had no qualms in doing so back then. Now, when they are forced to make a change they decide that a specialist is necessary. It might be a change in thinking by the selectors (and that's OK) but then why not take the punt on Jaques?

I am not being critical of Hussey who deserves a baggy green but I simply don't agree with or don't understand the selectors' thinking.
 

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This actually supports my position - in that instance, they didn't have to drop Slater and they chose to do so to replace him with a non-specialist - so they had no qualms in doing so back then. Now, when they are forced to make a change they decide that a specialist is necessary. It might be a change in thinking by the selectors (and that's OK) but then why not take the punt on Jaques?

I am not being critical of Hussey who deserves a baggy green but I simply don't agree with or don't understand the selectors' thinking.
They had to drop Slater he was playing atrocious cricket. But I think if they had another opener to choose from, then they would have picked him ahead of Langer. Which would be a trajedy given what he has done since.

The only reason Jaques isn't getting a gig is that he hasn't had that much experience in the big time. Even though Hussey is a new comer to ODI cricket and Test matches are totally different, at least he's performed at the highest level. The selectors are already taking a gamble with Watson and we aren't exactly at our peak batting wise, so they've gone with Hussey who is seen as the more experienced and safer option.
 

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#42
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Umm Hussey is a speciallist opener



Less than 12 months ago the best opener in the country was Matthew Elliott, Langer got injured, enter Simon Katich as makeshift opener, Langer ended up playing anyway but they went to the trouble to fly Katich down to Melbourne just in case, now that katich is in the side suddenly they dont want him to open

Oh well, Langer will play anyway
Last I checked, Buck was NOT a selector. He's giving his opinion...the SELECTORS decided to brin in Hussey- no guarantee he will play- or if he does, that he will open. Could go with Kato and drop Huss down the order.... he has batted down the order.
 

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Last I checked, Buck was NOT a selector. He's giving his opinion...the SELECTORS decided to brin in Hussey- no guarantee he will play- or if he does, that he will open. Could go with Kato and drop Huss down the order.... he has batted down the order.
You can't reason with him mate. As far as he's concerned its all a non-Victorian conspiracy.
 

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You can't reason with him mate. As far as he's concerned its all a non-Victorian conspiracy.
I know that- but he needs to show me where the selectors said something....I'm holding him to standards that he seems to set for others.

Makes a whinge and doesn't give relevant info to back it up....

I would have no problem with Hodge in the side, but they have chosen not to do so
 

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Not sure what all the controversy is about here.An opener is out and Hussey is the next best opener in the country so he comes in as the replacement.Katich is still trying to prove he is up to the jump in standard and it was the right call by the selectors to allow him to concentrate on his middle order role.I have not been a big fan of the way the selectors treat some Victorian players but you cant jump on them for everything.As much as I like Hodge he is pretty streaky and I am pretty comfortable with Hussey coming in.Hodge will need time to establish himself at the top level and I dont think a one off experience will help him all that much.Massive confidence player is Brad Hodge whereas Hussey seems very comfortable with his game and will adapt well to a one off chance.
 

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They dropped Slater a day or so before the last test of an Ashes series in England. The only option was Langer, none of the guys playing county cricket would have been up for international duty.
Jamie Cox (Tasmanian opener) was also on that tour I am pretty sure.
 

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Last I checked, Buck was NOT a selector. He's giving his opinion...the SELECTORS decided to brin in Hussey- no guarantee he will play- or if he does, that he will open. Could go with Kato and drop Huss down the order.... he has batted down the order.
Ah, what the hell does that have to do with my post?

I was saying the SELECTORS 12 months ago wanted Katich as the next in line for a 1 test opening position, now the SELECTORS suddenly changed their policy and went with a real opener for the 1 off test

They wont bat Hussey in the middle order, he will open, he is an opener. But so is Katich (Well Mail never lasts more than 5-10 overs ;) )
 
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