Michael Johnson

[free at last]

Definately, can't see a spot for MJ when Silvagni's fit and while Kepler's on fire. Infact I'd rather see Anthony given a game down back than Jonno on current form.

yep that would be worth a shot regarding Anthony down back.on a different tack i can't see kep & jonno fighting for the same position now,especially on how kep has performed over the last month.its silvagni v jonno v anthony (maybe)

 

[theGav56]

Why have a crack at MJ? He doesn't select the team. Gutless posters on here. If you are unhappy, have a bitch about the coach. Start a thread about Harvey and get stuck into him.

I assume they have ways to measure every players output, and that MJ is achieving what the coach has set him as a goal. As dom has pointed out, we have other selection options.

 

[free at last]

Why have a crack at MJ? He doesn't select the team. Gutless posters on here. If you are unhappy, have a bitch about the coach. Start a thread about Harvey and get stuck into him.

I assume they have ways to measure every players output, and that MJ is achieving what the coach has set him as a goal. As dom has pointed out, we have other selection options.

im pissed at harves playing jonno week in week out.
how is it gutless to be critical of someone who constantly underperforms?
what we write here are just opinions right or wrongly.

 

[Clay Davis]

I get the feeling he played a role. It didn't seem like Harvey was trying to work him into the game at all - seemed quite happy with him down back, even if he wasn't racking up the touches.

I'm not his biggest fan, but I think he did more than the stats sheet suggests.

 

[theGav56]

im pissed at harves playing jonno week in week out.
how is it gutless to be critical of someone who constantly underperforms?
what we write here are just opinions right or wrongly.

Your opinion is that MJ under-performs, but not that Harvey is under-performing? How about Palmer? How about van Berlo? How about Pitt?

The players performance is the responsibility of the coach, and continuously selecting them when there are other options is the coach acknowledging that the player is doing his job. MJ is the wrong target imo, because Harvey is rewarding him every week for how he is playing, end of story. You may not like how MJ is performing, but Harvey clearly does.

Try starting a thread criticising Harvey and see how that goes.

 

[Freo2012]

Your opinion is that MJ under-performs, but not that Harvey is under-performing? How about Palmer? How about van Berlo? How about Pitt?

The players performance is the responsibility of the coach, and continuously selecting them when there are other options is the coach acknowledging that the player is doing his job. MJ is the wrong target imo, because Harvey is rewarding him every week for how he is playing, end of story. You may not like how MJ is performing, but Harvey clearly does.

Try starting a thread criticising Harvey and see how that goes.

WOW

So you are obviously one of those supporters that believes should never criticise a player. I presume you are a long time supporter, as I am since inception. If you accept mediocrity, you surely get it - if you only accept the best out of people you often find you get it. There are many long-time Freo supporters that see the great improvement across every aspect of Freo, and rightly so, but because they are so used to below standard they criticise anyone wanting even better - way to build a champion sustained success team - accept mediocrity.

As for Harves - he has done wonders for Freo. That does not mean EVERY move he makes is perfect - get real.

It is only from criticism that one gets better, or would you prefer to be surrounded by "yes" men - you'll soon find out that mediocrity is your norm.

Criticism is always beneficial. To gain benefit from criticism it is necessary to cut through the meaningless criticism and learn and change from the "real" criticism - that is what makes champions, always wanting to improve.

In MJ's case, he certainly appears to only put in when his pay-check is threatened and only finds "heart" when finals time - great way to be part of a champion team. We all know MJ's skills and physical abilities - we just want him to put full effort in and get the most out of his short career that is professional footy with Freo.

If not we hope Harves does not let it go on too long that it costs us close games like the expected one against the dogs next weekend.

So ask yourself "do you want Freo to get better and perhaps win a flag?" or do you just want to enjoy the above-average performances we now have because they are so much better than the past?

 

[Sman-21]

An to me i dont think Harves has been happy with his output.
In questions about him he has mentioned something about how good he can be when hes on his game.

So hes too scared to drop him coz when hes playing well he is absolutely invalueable.

 

[Nickos66]

Stop moving the goalposts Gav.

 

[theGav56]

WOW

So you are obviously one of those supporters that believes should never criticise a player. I presume you are a long time supporter, as I am since inception. If you accept mediocrity, you surely get it - if you only accept the best out of people you often find you get it. There are many long-time Freo supporters that see the great improvement across every aspect of Freo, and rightly so, but because they are so used to below standard they criticise anyone wanting even better - way to build a champion sustained success team - accept mediocrity.

Makes no difference to me if you are a longtime supporter or not. And me/you accepting mediocrity or demanding full-commitment impacts the team the same way; that is, not at all. The person who it does matter if they accept mediocrity or not is Harvey.

As for Harves - he has done wonders for Freo. That does not mean EVERY move he makes is perfect - get real.

It is only from criticism that one gets better, or would you prefer to be surrounded by "yes" men - you'll soon find out that mediocrity is your norm.

Criticism is always beneficial. To gain benefit from criticism it is necessary to cut through the meaningless criticism and learn and change from the "real" criticism - that is what makes champions, always wanting to improve.

Nothing at all against criticism, but you are criticising MJ when the actual issue is his selection in the team, surely. I'm not an MJ supporter. But given he is continually selected, the only conclusion is that Harvey is. That is where your comments should be directed.

In MJ's case, he certainly appears to only put in when his pay-check is threatened and only finds "heart" when finals time - great way to be part of a champion team.

Again, Harvey and co would monitor the output of every player against what they are being asked to do. And I suspect they are pretty rigorous about it from what they have achieved with the players. If MJ isn't getting it done, me or you accepting mediocrity or not is going to pale into insignificance aginst what Harvey thinks.

We all know MJ's skills and physical abilities - we just want him to put full effort in and get the most out of his short career that is professional footy with Freo.

If not we hope Harves does not let it go on too long that it costs us close games like the expected one against the dogs next weekend.

You blaming Harvey or MJ here? Should be Harvey because it is a selection issue. That is my point.

So ask yourself "do you want Freo to get better and perhaps win a flag?" or do you just want to enjoy the above-average performances we now have because they are so much better than the past?

Huh? I'll take both thanks.

You don't want to enjoy above average performances because they are so much better than in the past?

 

[Geoff]

Your opinion is that MJ under-performs, but not that Harvey is under-performing? How about Palmer? How about van Berlo? How about Pitt?

The players performance is the responsibility of the coach, and continuously selecting them when there are other options is the coach acknowledging that the player is doing his job. MJ is the wrong target imo, because Harvey is rewarding him every week for how he is playing, end of story. You may not like how MJ is performing, but Harvey clearly does.

Try starting a thread criticising Harvey and see how that goes.

Wrong,

The players performance is the responsibility of the player, no different to how one performs in their chosen field.

 

[Arcassius]

Wrong,

The players performance is the responsibility of the player, no different to how one performs in their chosen field.

And it's your bosses responsibilty to fire/demote/manage you if aren't meeting your KPIs

 

[yakamoto]

For the benefit of the non-snipers who weren't at the game yesterday and who might have a passing interest in MJ's performance, I tend the following observations.
MJ played as a tall defender for the whole of his game time. Mostly he played on Edwards but also spent a bit of time on Petrie and Hanson. Early on he was involved in a marking contest with Petrie and fell pretty heavily. For the rest of the game, despite a fair bit of work from the physios when off the ground, he looked very uncomfortable. Instead of providing his normal rebound from defence he just seemed intent on shutting his opponent down, which he successfully accomplished.
Grover, McPharlin and Johnson all had quiet games as far as possessions went but their opponents had minimal impact. They scored 4 goals between them, two of which at least resulted directly from skill errors on our part(Pitt, Duffield).

 

[theGav56]

Wrong,

The players performance is the responsibility of the player, no different to how one performs in their chosen field.

I'm tipping you have no management experience, let alone in an occupation where measuring performance is a little trickier than how many widgits get produced. It is the coaches responsibility to get the very best out of all the players. The hard reality is that MJ might be peaking in terms of what he can do, and may never be able to be consistent.

Harvey gets accolades for improvement in players performances (Bradley, Sandilands, Mundy etc come to mind, plus the developing players), and for managing the list in terms of relegating, trading or getting rid of non or under-performing players; you know the names. What is the big deal with asking the same about MJ? You somehow have MJ in another category.

And it's your bosses responsibilty to fire/demote/manage you if aren't meeting your KPIs

That's it.

Surely if any of Anthony, Faulks or Sibosado could do better than MJ Harvey would go for it. They all look worth a crack in the side at the moment if someone is under-performing, and provide as good a depth as we have had for awhile. Silvagni has never displaced MJ from the best side either. The only conclusion is that Harvey is happy with where MJ is at.

 

[Clay Davis]

For the benefit of the non-snipers who weren't at the game yesterday and who might have a passing interest in MJ's performance, I tend the following observations.
MJ played as a tall defender for the whole of his game time. Mostly he played on Edwards but also spent a bit of time on Petrie and Hanson. Early on he was involved in a marking contest with Petrie and fell pretty heavily. For the rest of the game, despite a fair bit of work from the physios when off the ground, he looked very uncomfortable. Instead of providing his normal rebound from defence he just seemed intent on shutting his opponent down, which he successfully accomplished.
Grover, McPharlin and Johnson all had quiet games as far as possessions went but their opponents had minimal impact. They scored 4 goals between them, two of which at least resulted directly from skill errors on our part(Pitt, Duffield).

You are a relative of MJ.

 

[malpaso]

@TheGav56

The point your missing is that Johnson was played down back on Petrie and if he ran around. Petrie didn't do much on the day did he?

I can see why this was the case too, it allowed McPharlin and Grover to play on weaker opponents and also stay in defense without us worrying about Petrie being checked. They beat the absolutely living s**t out of their opponents too..

Wise up..

 

[Geoff]

I'm tipping you have no management experience, let alone in an occupation where measuring performance is a little trickier than how many widgits get produced.

Wrong - Second time, want to go for three?

 

[Nodgey]

Johnno's last 2 games were better than his first 2. Which is encouraging.

All we can ask of him IMHO is that he be accountable and stick to team rules/objectives. And he does appear to be doing this these last few weeks.

 

[dugrene]

I get the feeling he played a role. It didn't seem like Harvey was trying to work him into the game at all - seemed quite happy with him down back, even if he wasn't racking up the touches.

I'm not his biggest fan, but I think he did more than the stats sheet suggests.

Pretty much mirrors what i've been thinking.

For the benefit of the non-snipers who weren't at the game yesterday and who might have a passing interest in MJ's performance, I tend the following observations.
MJ played as a tall defender for the whole of his game time. Mostly he played on Edwards but also spent a bit of time on Petrie and Hanson. Early on he was involved in a marking contest with Petrie and fell pretty heavily. For the rest of the game, despite a fair bit of work from the physios when off the ground, he looked very uncomfortable. Instead of providing his normal rebound from defence he just seemed intent on shutting his opponent down, which he successfully accomplished.
Grover, McPharlin and Johnson all had quiet games as far as possessions went but their opponents had minimal impact. They scored 4 goals between them, two of which at least resulted directly from skill errors on our part(Pitt, Duffield).

I watched him closely, sometimes at the risk of losing track of the play so agree with your observations.

As for the highlighted part of your post. I don't want be too picky but he went to full forward right at the end of the 3rd 1/4. The ball didn't get down there. Pity, I'd have liked to see him get a chance at a goal.

 

[yakamoto]

Sorry Dug ,I did forget about that brief stint up forward. I also forgot to say how Edwards scored his goals. The first came when Pav made a clumsy attempt to bump rather than tackle, and the second when Edwards outmarked Grover (not Grover's fault) after North broke the zone.
Looks like Schammer will be back in a couple of weeks. Hope he gets a game so that MJ gets bumped down the scapegoat board for a while.

 

[kp junior]

Sorry Dug ,I did forget about that brief stint up forward. I also forgot to say how Edwards scored his goals. The first came when Pav made a clumsy attempt to bump rather than tackle, and the second when Edwards outmarked Grover (not Grover's fault) after North broke the zone.
Looks like Schammer will be back in a couple of weeks. Hope he gets a game so that MJ gets bumped down the scapegoat board for a while.

Better yet, lets hope MJ, like Schammer, gets the chance to earn a game with some prolonged solid WAFL form.

 

[theGav56]

@TheGav56

The point your missing is that Johnson was played down back on Petrie and if he ran around. Petrie didn't do much on the day did he?

I can see why this was the case too, it allowed McPharlin and Grover to play on weaker opponents and also stay in defense without us worrying about Petrie being checked. They beat the absolutely living s**t out of their opponents too..

Wise up..

Sorry, but is this directed at me? I haven't been commenting on MJ's performances really, but have been debating who has the ultimate responsibility for his performance and ongoing contracts and selection. I thought he did ok against the Roos.

 

[theGav56]

I'm tipping you have no management experience, let alone in an occupation where measuring performance is a little trickier than how many widgits get produced.

Wrong - Second time, want to go for three?

Wow. And you don't think management is responsible for the performance of the people they manage? How exactly do you pass the time of day? Oh yeah, thank goodness for bigfooty.

 

[yakamoto]

Just noticed that MJ has fallen off the charts. Thought I better get him back up there ready for tonight.

 

[Freo2012]

Just noticed that MJ has fallen off the charts. Thought I better get him back up there ready for tonight.

Why?

Mr 33% (puts effort in 1 game every 3) told you (family) he's going to put in some effort today? Will be good to see.

Tell Mr 33% that the supporters say thanks, how about him doing it all the time ??????

 

[docker_champ29]

lol at idiots who think they actually know how much effort a player puts in. It's embarrassing to think that the same people were saying the same thing about Mundy a few years ago.