Play Nice Michael Jordan vs LeBron James

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What don't you understand about what I said?
I'lll cut and paste what I said before...

So, the conversation went like this.

Someone said MJ quit on his team when he went and played baseball.

So, I said that LeBron only quits on his team during games, or if he can find better players.

Then you talked about Rodman, which doesn't make sense as Jordan wasn't leaving the Bulls whether Rodman was there on not. i.e. he wasn't quitting on his team.

So, your comment made zero sense.
 

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I'lll cut and paste what I said before...

So, the conversation went like this.

Someone said MJ quit on his team when he went and played baseball.

So, I said that LeBron only quits on his team during games, or if he can find better players.

Then you talked about Rodman, which doesn't make sense as Jordan wasn't leaving the Bulls whether Rodman was there on not. i.e. he wasn't quitting on his team.

So, your comment made zero sense.
Yeah, you said that LeBron only quits on his team during games, or if he can find better players.

MJ only quits on his team for an entire season because he can't hack the media.

LBJ didn't quit in his team? He was in Cleveland for years trying to win with that YMCA team. Can you blame him for leaving Cleveland? And in case you missed it, he came back to Cleveland and won them a chip.
 

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Yeah, you said that LeBron only quits on his team during games, or if he can find better players.

MJ only quits on his team for an entire season because he can't hack the media.

LBJ didn't quit in his team? He was in Cleveland for years trying to win with that YMCA team. Can you blame him for leaving Cleveland? And in case you missed it, he came back to Cleveland and won them a chip.
So, you agree with me, that your Rodman comment had nothing to do with what I was saying.

Finally we agree on something :)
 

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Didn't quit on his team? Left his team mates to go play baseball because he couldn't deal with the media. You said "find better players". He got his ass whooped by the magic, went and got Rodman and won 3 rings. That's not "finding better players"?
Quitting on his team.

Or mentally and physically exhausted by being the most famous man on the planet and then your best friend and father is murdered.

Cmon mate... have a little respect.
 

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Plenty pf arguments have been made for Lebron being the better player. Jordan stans just too delusional and brush everything under the carpet. Cult of Jordan :huh:
 

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I can't comprehend any arguement that LeBron is better than Jordan. Dudes a born winner game winner in NCAA tourney in 1982 Olympic gold in 1984 prior to pro levels. Finals MVP in every year he won a ring. Undeafeted in NBA finals series. Won just about every award possible. Scoring titles, DPOTY, MVP's, ROTY, steals leader, Multiple All NBA first team and defensive teams. Even if you count him quitting on bulls for baseball that's once to Lebrons twice with Cleveland and once with a stacked Miami. LeBron might be more versatile and a better playmaker but being more versatile doesn't make a better player.
 

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The best bit was when jod said he's not fanboiing haha fk me :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:

fidstar nailing this convo as per normal

Jordan is GOAT but they're in the same stratosphere. LBJ still has more time.
 

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As a Bron fan, I think MJ is definitely the GOAT. More rings, more impact on global basketball, top-notch killer gene etc. Bron can't catch him in that regard, I don't think

I'd argue that Bron is the 'best' player the game has seen, though. The game hasn't seen such a well-rounded freight train like him ever
 

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I'd argue that Bron is the 'best' player the game has seen, though. The game hasn't seen such a well-rounded freight train like him ever
He's not the most well rounded player though. He's an ok jump shooter, not elite though.

A very average FT shooter. He wasn't in the top 100 players in the league when the season stopped. Nothing special as a 3pt shooter either.
 

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He's not the most well rounded player though. He's an ok jump shooter, not elite though.

A very average FT shooter. He wasn't in the top 100 players in the league when the season stopped. Nothing special as a 3pt shooter either.
Agree with that, although his 3 point shot is underrated IMO.

You're only mentioning shooting skills too...

He's elite in nearly everything apart from shooting the ball. I'd say his turnovers and FT shooting are his worst skill. FT isn't "very average", I'd say around average.
 

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Agree with that, although his 3 point shot is underrated IMO.

You're only mentioning shooting skills too...

He's elite in nearly everything apart from shooting the ball. I'd say his turnovers and FT shooting are his worst skill. FT isn't "very average", I'd say around average.
Well shooting is a major part of the game. Go and compare his stats with Bird's stats.

They are very similar right across the board. Just one of them was an elite shooter and one was more dominant in the paint on the offensive end (more dunks).
 

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He's not the most well rounded player though. He's an ok jump shooter, not elite though.

A very average FT shooter. He wasn't in the top 100 players in the league when the season stopped. Nothing special as a 3pt shooter either.
He's still a very solid shooter, particularly from three. Agree with the above, he's underrated from distance, better than Jordan (I think Jordan could learn to be lights out from three if he played in this era, but that's a 'what if')

Yeah his FT obviously has never been great, but that's the only thing. At his peak, his all-round game (including defense) is IMO the best I've seen
 

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Well shooting is a major part of the game. Go and compare his stats with Bird's stats.

They are very similar right across the board. Just one of them was an elite shooter and one was more dominant in the paint on the offensive end (more dunks).
Yeah agree with this statement, it's why I think Bird is higher all-time than most think. I'd have him 7th at worst, 4th or 5th at best. He ranks higher than Shaq/Kobe/Duncan for sure (hard to say as a Laker fan lol)
 

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People embarrass themselves when they say it's not a real conversation.

And I love MJ and hate LeBron.
I don't even hate LeBron but it's not a real conversation. LeBron just isn't that close to MJ. He lacks a few things. Does have weaknesses in his game too which Jordan just didn't have.

He's not close to Jordan defensively either. He's a great player but more close to a guy like Magic than MJ.
 

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He's not the most well rounded player though. He's an ok jump shooter, not elite though.

A very average FT shooter. He wasn't in the top 100 players in the league when the season stopped. Nothing special as a 3pt shooter either.
Exactly if anything... Jordan is the most well rounded player of all time. No real weaknesses. If youre nit picking anything you could point to his 3pt shooting but 3pt shooting wasn't important like it is now. And even then he wasn't a poor 3pt shooter anyways.

If he played today. He's perfect the 3 ball no doubt.

I mean he had no weaknesses. Elite passer, rebounder for his position and size. Elite shooter. Elite defender. Elite athlete. Elite mentality. Elite scorer. Elite FT shooter. All time clutch gene. No let downs or no shows. He just had it all.

LeBron can't claim that. He's just about as good a three point shooter as MJ. He has an actual real weakness which is to put him on the FT line where he is average and avoids it late in games. He's had let downs and no shows. He's not elite clutch but has gotten better in that regard as he has gotten older. Doesn't have an elite mentality and also is just an average defensive player, particularly in his latter half of his career.

You want to talk well rounded. It's MJ. That's the maon reason why hes the GOAT.. just no chink in his armour.
 

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Jordan just didn't have
just no chink in his armour
The hyperbole is a bit over the top. As is your bizarre obsession with 'owning' people about how Jordan is the GOAT.

I think Jordan is the best, but if you can immediately point to his 3pt scoring as a 'weak' point, then it shows there was a chink in the armour doesn't it? Arguing that hypothetically he'd be a Steph Curry level shooter if he wanted to be, doesn't magically make it so. There's plenty of games where people worked out ways to limit Jordan's output, so he's not flawless.
 

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The hyperbole is a bit over the top. As is your bizarre obsession with 'owning' people about how Jordan is the GOAT.

I think Jordan is the best, but if you can immediately point to his 3pt scoring as a 'weak' point, then it shows there was a chink in the armour doesn't it? Arguing that hypothetically he'd be a Steph Curry level shooter if he wanted to be, doesn't magically make it so. There's plenty of games where people worked out ways to limit Jordan's output, so he's not flawless.
I didnt point to it as a weak point. If we are nit picking, which people do then they always harp back to his three point shooting. I never said he'd be Steph Curry as Steph is the greatest 3pt shooter of all time. But Jordan in today's league would recognise how important the three ball is and master it. He had elite shooting technique so it's just about stepping out and perfecting from a bit deeper.

To put it into context too, when Jordan played the three ball was almost a novelty. So he never had to make it another weapon despite being proficient enough from deep. Teams had specialist three point shooters like Craig Hodges, Steve Kerr, Tim Legler, Jeff Hornacek, Dale Ellies etc

But let's look at some of today's players or recent players who people wouldnt associate as the three ball being a weakness. Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Harden and Kyrie are some players I thought of. Here are their best shooting seasons.

Kyrie Irving - .415 on 5.0 attempts per game.
Lebron James - .406 on 3.3 attempts per game.
Kobe Bryant - .383 on 4.0 attempts per game.
James Harden - .390 on 4.7 attempts per game.
Kevin Durant - .422 on 3.1 attempts per game.

Michael Jordan - .427 on 3.2 attempts per game.

So over the course of a full season with more attempts than Durant, Jordan has shot better from deep than one of the best shooters in the game today. That was the 72-10 year. His first full year back. Jordan can shoot the three. Did he shoot that well every year? No. But the three point line was a different thing in Jordan's time. But the evidence is there that if he needed to shoot it and become lethal from range like in today's game. He simply would have.

I firmly believe Jordan didnt have any weaknesses at all. That's why he is the GOAT. You couldnt really be the GOAT without that. Two plus two is four you know...
 

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Agree he would focus on his 3 more in today's game. But you want to talk about different eras, LeBron would put up a triple double every night against those plumbers in the mid 90s 😂
 

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