Play Nice Michael Jordan vs LeBron James

[jod23]

Jordan's are better but Vince as highlight reels go is probably top 5 all time.

 

[fidstar]

Question Jod. Who's a better dunker. MJ or Vince?

 

[jod23]

Question Jod. Who's a better dunker. MJ or Vince?

Phwoar, that's a tough one. It's either or for me. I think Vince, MJ and Nique are the three greatest dunkers of all time but good luck splitting them.

 

[fidstar]

Vince is easily the best dunker.

 

[jod23]

Vince is easily the best dunker.

The three dunkers I mentioned are so difficult to separate and all three kind of have their different style.

Vince is the jump out of the gym guy, ridiculous vertical and just stupid athleticism.

Nique was just raw power.

Jordan was more the artist in the air.

Personal preference to what you prefer IMO.

 

[fidstar]

You probably wouldn't vote against MJ in a 3 point contest with Steph...

 

[fidstar]

 

[jod23]

You probably wouldn't vote against MJ in a 3 point contest with Steph...

But that's ridiculous because Steph is the greatest shooter of all time and Jordan was just an average three point shooter.

But Vince and Jordan were both elite dunkers.

Weird comparison.

 

[Bostonian]

But that's ridiculous because Steph is the greatest shooter of all time and Jordan was just an average three point shooter.

But Vince and Jordan were both elite dunkers.

Weird comparison.

They weren't training for hours on end shooting 3 pointers back then.

Who knows what some of the greatest shooters from back then could have done in today's style of game play.

The way they scrimmaged in practice then was far more full on than today's practice.

Now it's a far far greater component of practice to be working on plays to get open for threes.

 

[fidstar]

But that's ridiculous because Steph is the greatest shooter of all time and Jordan was just an average three point shooter.

But Vince and Jordan were both elite dunkers.

Weird comparison.

I'm just saying you might be a little bias.

 

[fidstar]

For instance. Michael Jordan was not an average 3 point shooter. He was below average.

 

[jod23]

I'm just saying you might be a little bias.

I dont think im bias when it comes to Jordan and dunking. I mean are you really gonna sit there and say he isnt an all time great dunker?

Who is your top three dunkers of all time?

 

[fidstar]

I dont think im bias when it comes to Jordan and dunking. I mean are you really gonna sit there and say he isnt an all time great dunker?

Who is your top three dunkers of all time?

MJ is an all time dunker.

But Vince is THE all time dunker.

Only one that is in his league is Lavine. But Vince has him well and truly covered for in game dunks.

 

[fidstar]

Ray Allen is an All time 3 point shooter.

Doesn't mean he should be discussed in the same breathe as Steph.

 

[jod23]

Ray Allen is an All time 3 point shooter.

Doesn't mean he should be discussed in the same breathe as Steph.

Different though again... if the defense has collapsed and there is 1 second to go and it's kicked out to a wide open player to shoot the three for the win. I'd have no issues picking Ray Allen to shoot that shot over Steph. Ray's mechanics are second to none, just pure.

However, coming off a pick with three players hanging off you and from 35 feet. Steph all day long haha.

Steph is absolutely the greatest shooter of all time though.

 

[jod23]

MJ is an all time dunker.

But Vince is THE all time dunker.

Only one that is in his league is Lavine. But Vince has him well and truly covered for in game dunks.

I've always though the other way with Carter. Dunk comps he's next level. In game dunker, I'd lean towards MJ.

Lavine is ok but doesnt really get me out of my seat or have the resume. Still young though so of course MJ and Carter have more in game dunks.

No love for Nique?

 

[jod23]

Oh and I forgot Blake Griffin who has some absolutely absurd in game dunks.

 

[fidstar]

I've always though the other way with Carter. Dunk comps he's next level. In game dunker, I'd lean towards MJ.

Lavine is ok but doesnt really get me out of my seat or have the resume. Still young though so of course MJ and Carter have more in game dunks.

No love for Nique?

Lavine's dunks in the dunk comp are second only to Carter's.

Dominque was great. As was Griffin. Both probably better than MJ, but at least that's close.

 

[jod23]

Lavine's dunks in the dunk comp are second only to Carter's.

Dominque was great. As was Griffin. Both probably better than MJ, but at least that's close.

I think dunk comps play a role but its more in game dunks that count for me, as they means something.

 

[Scotland]

...Aaron Gordon has entered the chat...

 

[scaryness]

Here is the top 25 all-time regular season careers according to GmSc/W. You could consider this the 'most valuable career' in terms of greatness and longevity.

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (19,713)*
2. LeBron James (19,460)
3. Karl Malone (18,744)
4. Wilt Chamberlain (17,169)*
5. Michael Jordan (16,699)
6. Tim Duncan (16,341)
7. Dirk Nowitzki (15,128)
8. Shaquille O'Neal (15,106)
9. John Stockton (14,744)
10. Kobe Bryant (14,692)
11. Oscar Robertson (14,299)*
12. Magic Johnson (13,936)
13. Hakeem Olajuwon (13,803)
14. Larry Bird (13,351)
15. Kevin Garnett (13,351)
16. Charles Barkley (12,990)
17. Moses Malone (12,919)*
18. David Robinson (12,843)
19. Jerry West (12,795)*
20. Chris Paul (12,703)
21. Robert Parish (12,653)
22. John Havlicek (12,475)*
23. Kevin Durant (11,768)
24. Gary Payton (11,498)
25. Scottie Pippen (11,453)

*incomplete stats due to era


Here is the top 25 regular season careers if you discount longevity by dividing it by total games played. You could consider this the best peak or most greatness per game.

1. Wilt Chamberlain (16.43)*
2. Michael Jordan (15.58)
3. Magic Johnson (15.38)
4. Larry Bird (15.33)
5. LeBron James (14.85)^
6. Oscar Robertson (13.75)*
7. Jerry West (13.73)*
8. Kevin Durant (13.31)^
9. Stephen Curry (13.10)^
10. David Robinson (13.01)
11. James Harden (12.83)^
12. Karl Malone (12.70)
13. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (12.64)*
14. Shaquille O'Neal (12.52)
15. Charles Barkley (12.11)
16. Kawhi Leonard (12.03)^
17. Julius Erving (11.97, NBA only)*
18. Tim Duncan (11.74)
19. Chris Paul (11.65)^
20. Bill Russell (11.33)*
21. Russell Westbrook (11.18)^
22. Hakeem Olajuwon (11.15)
23. Elgin Baylor (11.15)*
24. Kobe Bryant (10.92)
25. Bob Pettit (10.77)*

*incomplete stats due to era
^ average will dip as their career winds down

Adjusted MVPs

1. Michael Jordan (8)
1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (8)
3. Wilt Chamberlain (7)
4. LeBron James (5)
5. Larry Bird (3)

Adjusted 1st Team All-NBA

1. LeBron James (13)
2. Karl Malone (12)
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (11)
4. Michael Jordan (10)
4. Magic Johnson (10)
4. Kobe Bryant (10)

 

[Freomaniac]

That's what everyone says

I'm sure the best defensive teams were nasty

But most of the regular footage you see suggests otherwise

they were nasty

 

[fidstar]

What is an "adjusted 1st team"?

 

[scaryness]

What is an "adjusted 1st team"?

Taking the top 2 ranking guards, forwards and top center every season.

 

[QuietB]

Fascinating thread.

The answer is still Kareem Abdul-Jabbar