Play Nice Michael Jordan vs LeBron James

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peternorth

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The question really is whether todays freak players could survive in the 90s or 80s A given the difference in defence and physicality. Can they withstand the brutal D and afters that come with it. We dont really know cause we havent seen lebron, giannis cop it like that. These days there's a lot of hold me backs too which prevent us from seeing the dukes.
 

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Do we really question if LeBron or Giannis would survive? I mean it was tough but it's not football or anything

If it was in that era then those two would be the ones imposing their will, not the other way
 

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Who on that Warriors team is shutting him down?
Jordan is GOAT, but of all the "All-time" teams, Warriors are one of the best suited to match up with MJ.

Klay, Iggy and even Draymond. KD even in the post is even good value with his length.
 

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A touch harsh given he has led the NBA in scoring and is currently leading the NBA in assists. He was also all defensive first team 5 years in a row so better than a 'good' defender.

Jordan is the GOAT, but he didn't make a career out of posting up Karl Malone. You could pit LeBron against the 1990s Jazz and he could go up against Stockton or Malone. His versatility is pretty remarkable. But I don't think being able to play all 5 positions on the court is something Jordan cared about. He just wanted to be the most influential player on the court in every game ever.

I'll be interested to see how LeBron is viewed 20 odd years after he retires. We're still here now talking about how great Jordan was and he didn't reinvent the wheel, he was just a video game character where the programmers put athleticism, skill and killer instinct all on the highest setting. The idea of a guy that is 6'8'' and strong enough to play at the 4 without getting pushed around also having the ball handling and passing ability to play as a point guard is pretty nuts, but now we have Giannis who is 6'11'' and putting up 30/14/6 without being a particularly good shooter. And we have Simmons starting out as a 6'10'' PG, Zion as a 6'6'' 130kg whatever he is after 20 games. Etc. I think we're going to see more players that don't fit traditional molds. Giannis could be a 30/10/10 player no problems. If you have a guy that is near 7 foot tall and can do everything why not build your whole offence around him?
This Lebron can guard all 5 positions just has to stop. It's just so inaccurate. He profits from playing in a time when the traditional big man has become extinct. But trust me. No way on gods green earth is Lebron gonna be able to guard Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Robinson. He cant currently guard Gobert or Embiid. Absolutely no chance.

Oh and Jordan absolutely reinvented the wheel. He changed everything. There was nobody like him before and he pretty much made what every player strives to be like now. Kobe basically copied everything he ever did.

Anyways I love Lebron, hell of a player but he's well short of MJ.
 

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Jordan is GOAT, but of all the "All-time" teams, Warriors are one of the best suited to match up with MJ.

Klay, Iggy and even Draymond. KD even in the post is even good value with his length.
Yeah that team against the 72-10 Bulls would be interesting. I'd still be backing the Bulls though because they have the GOAT. Plus Pippen will give KD trouble. Draymond is a non-factor though. He's like an amateur version of Dennis Rodman without the rebounds.

Bulls small ball lineup of Harper, Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc and Rodman is still too deadly. So much length too to chase the Warriors off the three point line.
 

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This Lebron can guard all 5 positions just has to stop. It's just so inaccurate. He profits from playing in a time when the traditional big man has become extinct. But trust me. No way on gods green earth is Lebron gonna be able to guard Olajuwon, Ewing, Shaq, Robinson. He cant currently guard Gobert or Embiid. Absolutely no chance.
I said he could go up against Stockton or Malone, not that he could spend a whole game guarding Olajuwon. He's basically the same height and weight as Malone. Could you imagine Malone or Barkley running a team's offence? Magic Johnson is 6'9'' and filled in at centre in the NBA finals and finished with 42 points and 15 boards. Basketball isn't all about height. That a guy as tall and heavy as LeBron is in the MVP conversation playing as a point guard is pretty remarkable in itself. MVP Malone put up 27 and 10 at PF. LeBron could do that. But he also runs the offence, shoots threes and plays in 2010s systems. As MJ would if he was 20 years younger.

MJ > LeBron, but he's not playing power forward.

Oh and Jordan absolutely reinvented the wheel. He changed everything. There was nobody like him before and he pretty much made what every player strives to be like now. Kobe basically copied everything he ever did.

Anyways I love Lebron, hell of a player but he's well short of MJ.
How did Jordan reinvent the wheel? He was a 2/3 guy who also happened to be the best player of all time. Everyone wants to be like Mike, but that's easier said than done...

Jordan >>> Curry, but I think Curry has changed the game more. I was a big Reggie fan in the 90s. Wasn't a big physical dude but was a great shooter. Then along comes a guy way smaller who drops twice as many 3s a game at a better percentage.

I'd love to see Jordan in today's game. Lesser physicality aside, teams are more likely to structure around their best player regardless of position. As good as he was individually, I'd also love to see the Bulls 3peat teams in the current NBA and how they set up. Analytics say no to mid range jumpers and that was Jordan's bread and butter. But he'd adapt. Would he become a guy that shoots 5-10 3s a game, or would Kukoc/Pippen/other sacrifice their games to space the floor? The 90s Bulls and 2010s Warriors share similarities 15-20 years apart. Elite scorer + underrated side kick, defensive specialist who is your #1 rebounder at PF, no name centres who don't do anything noteworthy, your PG not running every play and leading the team in assists etc.
 

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