Michael Malthouse

[cakewalk_1]

Michael Malthouse, 2000 - 20??
No more MM bashing, No more MM must go threads please......
9 Years at Collingwood, no flag yet however....

Finals in 2002 (GF) , 2003(GF), 2006(QF), 2007(PF), 2008(SM)

Sorry if I have repeated myself,

In 2001, 2002, 2003 we had very few injuries and the majority of the players played 20+ games in each of those years. We played in 2 GF's.

It's only the 2nd time in 27 years that Collingwood played in 3 successive finals series. The only other time was 88,89 & 90.

This year we were 1 week less successful than 2007.
And we did it without these players: Buckley, Clement, Retired. Rocca, Rusling, Presti -long term injuries, Didak and H.Shaw missing since R18. And no Burns during the finals.

Take all these players out of any team and tell me if they would even make the 8 let alone win a final.

We played the following 1st year players, Brown, Dawes & Anthony, I think Reid as well. Not sure if played a game in 07.

Not a bad effort by the players and coach.

 

[Might-Pies]

Reid played in 07

But should be kept until end of next season, then re asses the situation.

 

[smiddaz123]

Has he won a grand final? No.

Don't care how close he's come. At all. We haven't won a flag.

 

[The Sqawka]

Michael Malthouse, 2000 - 20??
No more MM bashing, No more MM must go threads please......
9 Years at Collingwood, no flag yet however....

Finals in 2002 (GF) , 2003(GF), 2006(QF), 2007(PF), 2008(SM)

Sorry if I have repeated myself,

In 2001, 2002, 2003 we had very few injuries and the majority of the players played 20+ games in each of those years. We played in 2 GF's.

It's only the 2nd time in 27 years that Collingwood played in 3 successive finals series. The only other time was 88,89 & 90.

This year we were 1 week less successful than 2007.
And we did it without these players: Buckley, Clement, Retired. Rocca, Rusling, Presti -long term injuries, Didak and H.Shaw missing since R18. And no Burns during the finals.

Take all these players out of any team and tell me if they would even make the 8 let alone win a final.

We played the following 1st year players, Brown, Dawes & Anthony, I think Reid as well. Not sure if played a game in 07.

Not a bad effort by the players and coach.

totally agree 10/10 thread. was about to say somjething very similar!

Has he won a grand final? No.

Don't care how close he's come. At all. We haven't won a flag.

Your not a collingwood supporter. its not just about flags mate. your a fairweather supporter that makes me sick. MM is a legend of coach/man i cant believe you would say that. premierships dont come easy. ask every other victorian team bar geelong!

 

[Optimax]

totally agree 10/10 thread. was about to say somjething very similar!





Your not a collingwood supporter. its not just about flags mate. your a fairweather supporter that makes me sick. MM is a legend of coach/man i cant believe you would say that. premierships dont come easy. ask every other victorian team bar geelong!

Any team

Freo hasnt won one yet
Port just the 1
Adelaide a decade
swans in in 50 years
Carlton almost a decade and a half
Essendon almost a decade
Geelong 1 in more than 50 years
Richmond 2 finals series since 1980
Hawthorn now since 89
Bulldogs 1 in their history
Saints 1 in their history
North none in a decade


Premierships are difficult and not won from ninth, at leats we are always a chance

 

[FuManchu]

If supporters dont like accountability within a football club, then you are destined to allowing powerful people with their own interests to dictate your enjoyment from that club.

I like McGuire, I want him to stay, but I want him to realise that Malthouse has failed to deliver on a number of fronts.

Firstly, no flag

Secondly he is behind the time in list management

Thirdly, he is yesterdays man in terms of outdated footballing ideas, his refuasl to develop an effective rucking and midfield division for 9 years surely is negligence. O'bree was getting killed 8 years ago, why is he still getting killed today?

lastly, that game of chip chip chip down the flanks and possesion at all costs, few players running the lines or thru the corridor is painful to watch and s an indication of the ineffective list he has developed in 9 years. It will never win a flag, it might get you knocking on the door and if it was a dreadful rainy day, you might luck one, but he hasnt to date and never will.

9 years is sufficient to develop a good list. he hasnt.

Sorry Eddie, time to be accountable and do what other clubs would have done after 5 years.

 

[The Sqawka]

optimax: your exactly right..


PS you forgot hawks won in 91 after 89..
(that was against a MM coached WCE)

oh and MM coached WCE to 10 finals series in 10 years... gee his record speaks for itself!

 

[Strawbs]

Michael Malthouse, 2000 - 20??
No more MM bashing, No more MM must go threads please......
9 Years at Collingwood, no flag yet however....

Finals in 2002 (GF) , 2003(GF), 2006(QF), 2007(PF), 2008(SM)

Sorry if I have repeated myself,

In 2001, 2002, 2003 we had very few injuries and the majority of the players played 20+ games in each of those years. We played in 2 GF's.

It's only the 2nd time in 27 years that Collingwood played in 3 successive finals series. The only other time was 88,89 & 90.

This year we were 1 week less successful than 2007.
And we did it without these players: Buckley, Clement, Retired. Rocca, Rusling, Presti -long term injuries, Didak and H.Shaw missing since R18. And no Burns during the finals.

Take all these players out of any team and tell me if they would even make the 8 let alone win a final.

We played the following 1st year players, Brown, Dawes & Anthony, I think Reid as well. Not sure if played a game in 07.

Not a bad effort by the players and coach.

Neale Daniher had a reasonable finals record at Melbourne too - like Malthouse, he couldn't build a team capable of winning a flag. 10 years is a pretty fair go at it don't you think? Remember he won two flags with a virtual W.A. state team - 14 years ago though.

 

[smiddaz123]

I don't care how many finals appearances we've had. It doesn't matter in the big picture. It's all about flags, and imo, Malthouse isn't the coach that will be able to deliver us a premiership.

Name on team that's won a flag by using the wings all the time. Anyone?

 

[G.O.B]

If supporters dont like accountability within a football club, then you are destined to allowing powerful people with their own interests to dictate your enjoyment from that club.

I like McGuire, I want him to stay, but I want him to realise that Malthouse has failed to deliver on a number of fronts.

Firstly, no flag

Secondly he is behind the time in list management

Thirdly, he is yesterdays man in terms of outdated footballing ideas, his refuasl to develop an effective rucking and midfield division for 9 years surely is negligence. O'bree was getting killed 8 years ago, why is he still getting killed today?

lastly, that game of chip chip chip down the flanks and possesion at all costs, few players running the lines or thru the corridor is painful to watch and s an indication of the ineffective list he has developed in 9 years. It will never win a flag, it might get you knocking on the door and if it was a dreadful rainy day, you might luck one, but he hasnt to date and never will.

9 years is sufficient to develop a good list. he hasnt.

Sorry Eddie, time to be accountable and do what other clubs would have done after 5 years.

You must have missed tha same meeting I did FuManchu.

The one where it was decided that close enough is now good enough.
The one where it was decided that any negative opinion uttered by a supporter would have them stripped of their supporter status.
The one where it was decided that premierships are not the sole reason that this club exists.
The one where it was decided that the balance sheet, membership figures and attendances were the most pertinent KPI's to assess our season.
The one where it was decided that ruckmen and the midfiled were unimportant in today's game.
The one where it was decided that players would not be selected on their skill and talent, but rather, how good a citizen they are.

2000 - Fail
2001 - Fail
2002 - Fail
2003 - Fail
2004 - Fail
2005 - Fail
2006 - Fail
2007 - Fail
2008 - Fail
2009 - ?

It really is that simple if you think about it.

 

[The Sqawka]

I don't care how many finals appearances we've had. It doesn't matter in the big picture. It's all about flags, and imo, Malthouse isn't the coach that will be able to deliver us a premiership.

Name on team that's won a flag by using the wings all the time. Anyone?

watch hawthorn carefully.. they havent won a flag yet, but they only bring the ball in to guts at their half forward line.. anyway its hardly an argument, we dont always use the wings, and im sure if anyone here has no life, they could find a team that won a gf that used the wings more than the guts. so come one lets be honest, its about having the players on the field. and you know what!

this was our down year, with clement lica bucks retiring, its been a fair shake up. not to mention our injuries. look at essendon after losing some key players.. but still even in our down year we play in a semi!

you cant argue with that!

 

[tess]

2000 - Fail

I think that's being a little unfair, coming off a wooden spoon 15th was an improvement.

Oh I missed that meeting too, maybe it was for the Employees only....

 

[cakewalk_1]

Has he won a grand final? No.

Don't care how close he's come. At all. We haven't won a flag.

Geez bigfooty is taking a pounding tonight...slow...


We have won 1 Flag in 50 years. Lost 12 or 13 since 1958 I agree it's not great.

Since the expansion of the VFL 1987 to include WC, Brisbane Then later on the Adelaide teams. In the 21 Years the interstate teams have be in the competition they have won 10 Flags combined. Almost 1 every 2 years.

Most of the interstate teams get at least 10 home games. How do you think the Collingwood teams of past 6 years would have gone with 10 home games at Victoria Park and a Home Final. What a great advantage that would be.

I'm sure they wouldn't be able to fit 60,000 plus to every games at VIC Park but maybe the Home games and a home final would have got us over the line?

It's not easy getting into a GF let alone wining one . I'm sure every Coll supporter would love nothing more than a premiership asap.

In 2002 J.Cloke got suspended in the PF against Adelaide and he had a standout year in 2002. His loss upset the team balance, that year he played that loose man in the backline all year and we may have pinched it 2002.

2003 A.Rocca got suspended in the PF against Port Adelaide. That year Tarrant was all Australian and Rocca missing on our forward line killed us.

 

[FuManchu]

I think that's being a little unfair, coming off a wooden spoon 15th was an improvement.

Oh I missed that meeting too, maybe it was for the Employees only....

You had to get your lobotomy first and remove all thinking capability. If you didnt have XXXX stitched on your forehead, they wouldnt let you in.

A bit like the Village of the Damned

Except someone forgot to put 'idiots' at the end of that tag.

 

[smiddaz123]

In 2002 J.Cloke got suspended in the PF against Adelaide and he had a standout year in 2002. His loss upset the team balance, that year he played that loose man in the backline all year and we may have pinched it 2002.

2003 A.Rocca got suspended in the PF against Port Adelaide. That year Tarrant was all Australian and Rocca missing on our forward line killed us.

I'll tell you what lost us the 2002 grand final. Malthouse's complete disregard for ruckmen. It wasn't Jason Cloke.

 

[FuManchu]

Geez bigfooty is taking a pounding tonight...slow...


We have won 1 Flag in 50 years. Lost 12 or 13 since 1958 I agree it's not great.

Since the expansion of the VFL 1987 to include WC, Brisbane Then later on the Adelaide teams. In the 21 Years the interstate teams have be in the competition they have won 10 Flags combined. Almost 1 every 2 years.

Most of the interstate teams get at least 10 home games. How do you think the Collingwood teams of past 6 years would have gone with 10 home games at Victoria Park and a Home Final. What a great advantage that would be.

I'm sure they wouldn't be able to fit 60,000 plus to every games at VIC Park but maybe the Home games and a home final would have got us over the line?

It's not easy getting into a GF let alone wining one . I'm sure every Coll supporter would love nothing more than a premiership asap.

In 2002 J.Cloke got suspended in the PF against Adelaide and he had a standout year in 2002. His loss upset the team balance, that year he played that loose man in the backline all year and we may have pinched it 2002.

2003 A.Rocca got suspended in the PF against Port Adelaide. That year Tarrant was all Australian and Rocca missing on our forward line killed us.

Forget 2002 and 2003. In the intervening 5 years, usually a rise fall and rise again cycle for most clubs, he has failed to rebuild a team to an acceptable standard. He still has the same players plodding thru the midfield. He has not developed a ruck division. Fraser couldnt ruck in 2002, why is he still number one choice today? It is sheer folly to neglect any division for a year or two, it is downright negligence to have neglected these areas for the entirity of your tenure ( 9 years!!!!!!)

He is stuck in his ways and that is the biggest problem. He is good up unto a point. But he cant take outdated ideas, with a team of limited ability to the elite level.

 

[smiddaz123]

watch hawthorn carefully.. they havent won a flag yet, but they only bring the ball in to guts at their half forward line.. anyway its hardly an argument, we dont always use the wings, and im sure if anyone here has no life, they could find a team that won a gf that used the wings more than the guts. so come one lets be honest, its about having the players on the field. and you know what!
you cant argue with that!

I'm not talking about just using the wings more than the guts.

We use the wings everytime! We NEVER use the corridor. And our run and carry is below average. Half the time we end up bombing it long down the wing.

The hawks may use the wing, but they carry to ball far more effectively than we do.

With Malthouse's gameplan, we wont win a flag. We lack run and carry, creativity and just general risk taking imo. We're too predictable.

 

[FadeAway]

Michael Malthouse, 2000 - 20??
No more MM bashing, No more MM must go threads please......
9 Years at Collingwood, no flag yet however....

Finals in 2002 (GF) , 2003(GF), 2006(QF), 2007(PF), 2008(SM)

Sorry if I have repeated myself,

In 2001, 2002, 2003 we had very few injuries and the majority of the players played 20+ games in each of those years. We played in 2 GF's.

It's only the 2nd time in 27 years that Collingwood played in 3 successive finals series. The only other time was 88,89 & 90.

This year we were 1 week less successful than 2007.
And we did it without these players: Buckley, Clement, Retired. Rocca, Rusling, Presti -long term injuries, Didak and H.Shaw missing since R18. And no Burns during the finals.

Take all these players out of any team and tell me if they would even make the 8 let alone win a final.

We played the following 1st year players, Brown, Dawes & Anthony, I think Reid as well. Not sure if played a game in 07.

Not a bad effort by the players and coach.

I agree with you 100% great effort this year

 

[Somebody]

That must have been great for Brown's development, leaving him to be thrashed by Riewolt for 3 quarters, only moving him when the game was lost.
Some people might think winning the game was more important, but what would they know?! Not nearly as much as many of the brainiacs on this board apparently.
Oh yeah interesting tactical move to man up their extra defenders in the 2nd q. At that stage we were about even. the result? St K started piling up a lead. Worth a try but it obviously didn't work. Never mind, just keep doing it anyway, and let the lead become match-winning by the last change. Brilliant!
Having said that, we still should have won if not for the schoolboy kicking for goal and even worse kicking into the F50. Just shows how much StK will be annihilated by tomorrow evening. If they win somehow, that will be 2 non-event GF's in a row.

 

[Somebody]

.......................In 2002 J.Cloke got suspended in the PF against Adelaide and he had a standout year in 2002. His loss upset the team balance, that year he played that loose man in the backline all year and we may have pinched it 2002.

2003 A.Rocca got suspended in the PF against Port Adelaide. That year Tarrant was all Australian and Rocca missing on our forward line killed us.

I agree re Cloke - not sure if Rocca would have made 10 goals difference or whatever it was, but footy is a v psychological game so quite possibly.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

happy with mick he's the man to win us our next flag

 

[robertg22]

Wrote this on another forum.... agree/disagree if you like:


Malthouse has earned the right to see out his contract for 2009, although I’m still convinced that he’s not the one that’s going to get us our 15th flag. My feeling is that he just lacks the tactical versatility to get us over the line in certain games – ie. When a certain player is destroying us, he barely changes the match up.
Riewoldt on Saturday night was a prime example of this. Is it tactical versatility? Or is it sheer stubbornness? I was glad to see faith placed in Brown but come on he made the move after 3 quarters of footy when the game was over. Why? Maxwell actually looked ok on him also, O’Brien could have been tried, or at the very least put a bloke in front of him. But no, that’s not how Mick rolls. For the entire evening Dal Santo was allowed to run throughout the midfield without an opponent. Why would you give him space? For all of his lack of physicality he’s a beautiful user of the ball and time after time put it into space for Riewoldt to run onto it and outmark Brown.
Malthouse has now had 9 full seasons in charge. At what point is enough enough? Rightly or wrongly, we’ll probably just round it off to 10.
2000 – 15th
2001 – 9th
2002 – 2nd
2003 – 2nd
2004 – 13th
2005 – 15th
2006 – 7th
2007 – 4th
2008 – 6th

Games coached – 210
Games won – 105
Games lost – 105
Finals coached – 12
Finals won – 7
Finals lost – 5

A 50% record (less than 50% in home & away games) after such an amount of time as coach is simply not good enough. If he was in charge of the team he spent his playing days with or the team he started his coaching career with he would be deemed to be a successful coach, however he’s not.
As I’ve said before I will not accept the excuse of Malthouse getting the best out of bad players but I do admit that there has been a generational change for the last couple of years. Buckley, Clement, Licuria, Wakelin, Holland, Lonie and Burns (likely), Rocca (possible), Presti (possible) have all departed the club over the last two seasons. That’s a truckload of skill, experience & leadership to take away from any team and now we’re not exactly blessed with obvious leaders. Fraser is a good mobile ruckman – he is not an inspirational captain in the mould of Buckley, Burns or even Clement.
It’s no coincidence that it was St Kilda’s champion captain that almost single handedly beat us on Saturday night. Leadership needs to be evaluated, addressed & rectified very quickly. This is a situation that should not have developed and one that Malthouse needs to take accountability for. Maybe if there was a higher standard of leadership throughout the club the Didak/Shaw incident may not have occurred.
Since the Shaw/Didak fiasco we’ve beaten St Kilda (good victory, riding the wave of pride and emotion after such a week), Port Adelaide (terrible side), Sydney (our perennial bitches) & Adelaide (at our home ground of Footy Park) & had two very poor losses to Fremantle (why, oh why) and St Kilda (half-decent side at best). Not a bad record for a team packed full of 18, 19 & 20 year olds, but really not acceptable for a team intending on having any impact in September. I wasn’t overly disappointed with our loss to St Kilda because honestly 6th position is about where we’re at and there was no way on God’s Green Earth that we were going to beat the Hawks anyway.
Where to now? Everybody talks about Buckley being the next Collingwood coach, in my opinion this is a high risk strategy that must be completely analysed before it’s executed. Is Buckley a brilliant football person & leader who has the potential to have a successful coaching career? No doubt. Is he the right man for the Collingwood job? I’m not convinced. His post-football credentials include a brief stint helping 16 year olds at the AIS and sitting in a coaches box with esteemed football minds Bruce, Dennis & Schwarz. Not the most ideal way to prepare for one of the toughest jobs in Australian sport. I want someone that is far removed from the Malthouse philosophies, someone fresh, someone new.
I hope Eddie lays the emotion aside and completes a fully exhaustive process to select the next coach of Collingwood, instead of handing it to Buckley on a silver platter. With so many key youngsters on our list ready to take the next step we absolutely need the right person for the job. I love Buckley at least twice as much as the next person but love Collingwood more; would not even say this if I didn’t truly believe it was for the good of the club long term.

 

[bluesforever]

happy with mick he's the man to win us our next flag

but he won't. Get Bucks in as an assistant and bring him on in a year or 2 as senior coach.

 

[Ickirus]

While MM has got us into finals he has many many shortcomings as a coach.

Firstly in his 9 years he has yet to develop a good midfield, midfields win flags, simple as that.

He also has had a obvious disregard to how important ruckman are, getting Wood was a step in the right direction, but Bryan should never play another game in the 1's again as long as Fraser and Wood are fit.

Probably MM's biggest flaw is his inability to change his gameplan when it isnt working, whenever a team floods MM has no answer and is the reason why we get beat by lesser teams, our gameplan is useless when a team floods.

He can stay on for next year, but if he fails again, Bucks needs to step in to take over.

 

[Chase the Ace]

Hopefully Eddie will come out and announce Mick has been given a 2 year extension to his contract.
Brilliant coach