Hot Topic Michael Voss - Coaching in 2026. Should he remain beyond that?

[Accidental genius]

Has to be Don Pyke

2x Premiership player & West Coast B&F winner. Coached the Crows for four and a half seasons.



then the camp… and the next two seasons go to sh*t.

Had a winning strike rate of over 70% in first two seasons and the crows had the most formidable, effective offensive game in the league.

Has now worked under the best in business John Longmire who recently said “Don is a genius at game day strategy and identifying weaknesses in not only the opposition but of our own. He has transformed our offence“.

Swans CEO Tom Harley; “Don has been an extraordinary contributor to our footy program in both a match day strategy role but adding to the cultural fabric of the club. Don is a fantastic person. He builds strong relationships with all the players. What we have seen in the last two years since he arrived in Sydney is a man of unbelievable integrity, in character and in coaching talent.“

senior coaching experience
elite winning percentage
finals winning coach
can get offensive game humming
build belief

Apparently he was Collingwood‘s #1 preference before he pulled out and they went with Macrae.

It’s a no brainer for mine.

He’d be perfect.

Give him the keys for five years and everyone else move back. Let him reshape list, leadership, team selection etc etc.

Replace brad Lloyd.

From there in Board members keep your mouth shut…tightly. Any questions aimed at board …board says ask the coach.

 

[kreuze_missile]

The focus needs to shift away from Voss alone - it's all about the coaching group.

One of my bigger concerns in persisting with Voss is that I don't think you can successfully build a strong coaching group around him. Our current coaching group is mediocre and I see no path to improve as long as Voss is in charge.

I cannot imagine high profile senior assistants would want to coach under him. I just don't see it.

I also don't think talented assitants with future senior coaching aspirations will want to coach under Voss either. An apprenticeship under Voss is not great for the CV - and will not leave you well positioned for future senior coaching jobs in the future.

A new coach would bring a new coaching group. The bigger the name the bigger the draw for assistant coaches. If Dimma's keen it's a no brainer. Same with Hinkley or Simpson. An untried coach would be fine too if the group put around him was strong (refer Goodwin, McRae).

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Firstly, correct me if I'm wrong but next year would be the 8th year Voss has coached an AFL side and we are talking about bringing a senior mentor/ tactician in ? How about accepting that what he has done has been an absolute disaster. How about accepting that the gameplan that we have will beat one side in the competition- WC. I do not give a rats how many coach we have sacked, we cannot have a gameplan that allows us to kick 6 goals a week with a forward line containing the last 2 Coleman medal winnners. Cut our lossses with Voss. He clearly has no answers, we have not changed a thing about the way we play. I am beyond furious at what is going on, how can anyone possibly want to continue with this?

Hard to argue with any of that...

The failure/inability to really change anything in the past 6 weeks or so speaks volumes to me....

 

[Accidental genius]

Putting Voss in charge of the list worked out brilliantly at Brisbane.

Agree. Would be a disastrous move. Set us back another 10 years. Sooner he’s gone the better.

 

[Manhattanite]

From what I recall the club was explicit that Voss was chosen for his leadership and culture and that others would assist him with game plans etc.

So yes at the end of the day Voss is responsible for our current predicament and he should be swinging the ax and doing whatever he needs to with his assistants to get the ship back on track.

I would give him an opportunity to make changes from here on out through the end of the season and show improvement and then he needs to present a plan to the Board of what will be different in 2024 (eg who he has convinced to come in to help him, who we need to recruit, who we need to trade out/delist). If he can’t demonstrate he has a clear path to success then we need to move on this September.




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[Elmer_Hauser]

No one decent potential candidate would want to come and coach us if we give Voss the flick so soon, in my opinion, no job security.

At least give him until the end of next season.

I don't believe clubs (strong ones anyway) don't sack coaches after one bad season on field. At some point we have to stop this cycle of getting a new coach in every 3 seasons or so.

I am taking a page out of the great Sticks Kernahan book and STANDING BY OUR MAN !!!

 

[passmark]

That we have to keep going back to Fish, OBrien and Ed tell you where we are at.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

With one pick in the top 60 ?

your right make that 3 years.

 

[BlueGum]

It doesn't matter. None of it matters. Just give up. It's easier. Renounce and emancipate yourself from the Groundhog Day hellscape that is the bottomless pit of misery and ineptitude of the Carlton Football Club.

But it must matter, you're posting

 

[Ezayyak]

Sacking is not the answer. Our problems are much, much deeper and who the hell knows what the problems are. That's the issue. It can't be possible that we've imploded on field and there is no meetings between President, CEO and others with the coaching group to actually go through an in-depth analysis of what the hell is going on.

Is it possible that nobody is showing the coaching staff it seems the opposition have completely unravelled the way we play with hard evidence and statistics? Showing the coaching staff what are the trends across the competition. Make the coaching staff rethink our style of footy? It doesn't make sense.

 

[bmaurizio]

It was a huge blunder appointing Vossy as head coach, a conservative, restrained effort, acceptable & politically correct only , ignoring our real needs.
The experts involved in selection the process should never sit on another review committee.
Deplorable outcome, it was our error , let’s be professional, accept that no exaggeration were sinking to the bottom, external pressures will be become enormous over the few weeks. We must rise above the mire and approach a new begging determined and stronger.
Go Blues

 

[bmaurizio]

Our woes are much more complex and deep rooted than just head coach Vossy of course , assistants coaches & Lllyod all need to go keep only the most valid , and certainly Recruiting has been overshadowed but poor decision.
We need effective annual reviews for the next 5 years at least, only then can we leave it to our administration. Go Blues

 

[Mr.X]

Here we go again with the “sack coach” brigade

while getting rid of Voss will likely result in a feel good sugar hit and maybe a few wins, cant see how it’ll result in a long term difference

Players appear to be playing scared, and not trusting their natural instincts

leadership is a mess.. president must go as its appears he’s not really trustworthy or ethical

 

[The Flying Doormat]

My opinion (FWIW, ie, nada)
I'm happy to ignore the Voss era at Brisbane apart from the fact it didn't end well.
Looking at the available evidence based on his time with us, it's not looking good, nor is it inspiring any hope. The team managed 44 points last night. A new low. This won't win you many games as we head towards a bottom four finish, a far cry from expectations.
Based on what we are as a club, the most likely outcome is a new coach come October.
So, who is available (actual or possible) and realistically an option? Just throwing names around randomly without any preference.

Experienced
Çhoco, Pyke, Buckley, Hinkley, Simpson, Dew, Cameron, Ratten, Hardwick, Worsfold?

Others
Carr, Mattner, Yze, Giansiracusa, Montgomery, Burns, Schofield, Caracella,
Postecoglou

 

[Broadside]

My opinion (FWIW, ie, nada)
I'm happy to ignore the Voss era at Brisbane apart from the fact it didn't end well.
Looking at the available evidence based on his time with us, it's not looking good, nor is it inspiring any hope. The team managed 44 points last night. A new low. This won't win you many games as we head towards a bottom four finish, a far cry from expectations.
Based on what we are as a club, the most likely outcome is a new coach come October.
So, who is available (actual or possible) and realistically an option? Just throwing names around randomly without any preference.

Experienced
Çhoco, Pyke, Buckley, Hinkley, Simpson, Dew, Cameron, Ratten, Hardwick, Worsfold?

Others
Carr, Mattner, Yze, Giansiracusa, Montgomery, Burns, Schofield, Caracella,
Postecoglou

Postecoglou would be a good get but we will have to outbid Tottenham. Let’s do this!

 

[DangerousD]

He is 30 games into his Carlton coaching career.
Give him a break. He hasn't got a magic wand .
Can you imagine hawthorn getting rid of clarkson 30 games in ?
Show some patience people.

Clarkson took over at the start of a rebuild, our rebuild started 8 years ago.

 

[Worm4]

Clarkson took over at the start of a rebuild, our rebuild started 8 years ago.

Clarkson also had access to high draft selections on top of priority picks.

 

[AB_Blue]

This thread should be retitled "So who do you want as Senior assistant?"

Even last year I thought our coaching staff was under resourced.

For the life of me I don’t know what Luke Power is doing coaching the VFL.
He should be stoppage coach at the very least if not midfield coach.

We needed a senior assistant to help Vossy from day 1 and as “good” as Ash Hansen is he’s younger than Voss and not a senior assistant.

Paul Roos, Mark Williams, Neil Craig are the type of character that we needed for Vossy to play the mentor role.

We also need a bloody good head of footy who could also sit in the box and provide some sort of support to the assistants and coach if needed

We have about 4 development coaches who don’t have a game day role. I was sitting behind Power and Ebert at the brizzy game…..They shouldn’t be in the stands they should be on the bench or in the box on game day.


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[DangerousD]

Let’s say Voss quits tomorrow, what gives anyone any confidence we won’t balls it up again?

Was it the current president after sacking Teague stated, we don’t want a coach on training wheels?

By doing this boxed ourselves in to a very small pool of coaches, the president who hired Voss was also on the board when we fired Ratten, hired/fired Malthouse, hired/fired Bolton and hired/fired Teague.

What would make the next search different?

On who would want to come coach? All of them, there is only 18 clubs in the country, with around one job vacancy each year.

Our list is very good, don’t be fooled

 

[Blue1980]

No one decent potential candidate would want to come and coach us if we give Voss the flick so soon, in my opinion, no job security.

At least give him until the end of next season.

I don't believe clubs (strong ones anyway) don't sack coaches after one bad season on field. At some point we have to stop this cycle of getting a new coach in every 3 seasons or so.

I am taking a page out of the great Sticks Kernahan book and STANDING BY OUR MAN !!!

North got rid of Rhys Shaw after 1.5 years and noble the same, and the still got Clarko, so I think that’s a bit of a myth you can’t attract anyone good.

 

[Blue1980]

Let’s say Voss quits tomorrow, what gives anyone any confidence we won’t balls it up again?

Was it the current president after sacking Teague stated, we don’t want a coach on training wheels?

By doing this boxed ourselves in to a very small pool of coaches, the president who hired Voss was also on the board when we fired Ratten, hired/fired Malthouse, hired/fired Bolton and hired/fired Teague.

What would make the next search different?

On who would want to come coach? All of them, there is only 18 clubs in the country, with around one job vacancy each year.

Our list is very good, don’t be fooled

We have Cook now who’d help drive things, which we didn’t for the Voss appointment.

 

[Doro]

If he is to be replaced I'd rather Cook did most of the leg work, the board appointed panel last time hasn't got it done. Next cab off the assistant ranks, whether that's Gia, Caracella etc I don't know. See if Dimma wants the mentoring role.

 

[Sweetback]

Hi nicies, just some outside commentary for you. I think for your club’s stability you keep Voss but look at who’s supporting him. Hinkley was on the chopping board until Josh Carr

Josh Carr

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17.8

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moved from us to Port this year and Port players have been public in acknowledging his work. Likewise with Hardwick, he was a flake until the Richmond board switched up the assistant coaches and installed Neil Balme as GM. Next year they win the flag. If a club is continually switching coaches with negligible change, then the problem is likely less to do with the coach and more to do with who is supporting him.

 

[Moon]

Perhaps someone could make a list of where Voss has improved the team ... cause all I'm seeing is Carlton getting worse compared to last season with all our injury woes. At least last season Carlton were competitive. Seems like they have gone backwards. Tell us why this isn't Voss's fault .. whos is it?

ps. I get that it is not just the Coach. There are forces at work behind the scenes

 

[Crippa#9]

Has to be Don Pyke

2x premiership player / B&F winner. Coached the Adelaide Football Club for four anda half seasons.

Taking over halfway through 2015 after the club was rocked by tragedy he took the Crows all the way to the semi-finals.
In 2016 they finished 5th with sixteen wins and 138%
In 2017 they finished the H&A season 1st with 15.5 wins and 136% (Made the GF).

In Pyke's first two seasons he had a winning strike rate of over 70% - that is the elite of the elite.

And then the camp... and the next two seasons it all goes to s**t

Has now worked under the best in the business John Longmire who has recently said "Don is a great strategist and has reformed our offence. He has been an invaluable cog in our team. His strengths are clearly identifying weaknesses in not only the opposition but also our own and implementing key match day plans.

Swans CEO Tom Harley (11/8/22): "Don has been an extraordinary contributor to our match day strategy and plays a significant role in the cultural fabric of our club. His relationships with the players is second to none. Since he arrived in Sydney we have seen a man of the upmost integrity, character and coaching talent."

Senior Coaching experience.
Winning Finals experience.
Excellent winning percentage
Can get offensive game humming
Teams he coaches score big
Elite strategy and tactician
Builds belief within a playing group.

Apparently Collingwood's #1 preference before pulling out and they go with Macrae.

It's a no brainer for mine.