Opinion Mick Malthouse MEGA THREAD

[zeeCFC]

Ah crap, exams during trade period. That's my procrastination sorted (and if we land a good player, my procrastibation sorted too).

 

[Monkey King]

There was a bloke by the name of Bruce Doull who went alright. CHB in our 1972, 1979 & 1981 premiership teams & FB in our 1982 premiership team. Named at HB in both the Carlton & AFL Team of the Century, yet played most his football as a KPD. Jakovich wouldn't even be in the same ball park as Doull.

I rate Doull even more highly than SOS. Pound for pound probably the best defender I've seen play. *

For me, what made SOS so great is that he played on and beat a range of champion forwards in a range of different positions; from Hird and Carey at HB to Ablett, Dunstall and Lockett down deep. All very different players.



* Warning: Unabashed Bruce Doull fan with incredible bias.

 

[Dramoth]

I rate Doull even more highly than SOS. Pound for pound probably the best defender I've seen play. *

For me, what made SOS so great is that he played on and beat a range of champion forwards in a range of different positions; from Hird and Carey at HB to Ablett, Dunstall and Lockett down deep. All very different players.



* Warning: Unabashed Bruce Doull fan with incredible bias.

I'm a big Doull fan and I thought he was awesome as a CHB for the club.

I am also a big SoS fan and as full back for the club, I think that he was actually second to Southby. What got SoS the nod really was the fact he could switch forward and kick goals.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

I'm a big Doull fan and I thought he was awesome as a CHB for the club.

I am also a big SoS fan and as full back for the club, I think that he was actually second to Southby. What got SoS the nod really was the fact he could switch forward and kick goals.

Great Post Dramoth.

Bruce Doull was a Legend and people sadly have forgotten how good he was, his name should always be mentioned when talking of Great Defenders, i only ever remember 1 player getting the better of the Flying Doormat, and that was Sticks Kernahan in a State Game between Victoria and South Australia. As for Southby, he was my Favorite player as a kid and had Mum stitching the number 20 on the back of my Jumper in the Late 70s..
Now Hopefully one of our Defenders turn into a Doull or Southby under Mick Malthouse..

 

[pepalenko]

Well today's the day. It feels a little bit like a mix of Christmas morning and Groundhog day.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Well today's the day. It feels a little bit like a mix of Christmas morning and Groundhog day.

Yeah agree, all excited but know what you are getting. Looking Forward to watchng his Press Conference which im sure will be on Fox Sports News..

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[The Toad]

I wasn't talking about Silvagni just now though, only about my esteem for Jako at his peak. Silvagni would be the first choice for FB, but I think Jako would make a strong case for CHB. McKenna would find a sport in my HBF as well. Of course, I haven't lived long enough to make any real valid argument about team of the century, none of us have really, but I'd be surprised if there were too many players better at that CHB position than Jakovich.

Thy-Man, you out there??

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

I wasn't talking about Silvagni just now though, only about my esteem for Jako at his peak. Silvagni would be the first choice for FB, but I think Jako would make a strong case for CHB. McKenna would find a sport in my HBF as well. Of course, I haven't lived long enough to make any real valid argument about team of the century, none of us have really, but I'd be surprised if there were too many players better at that CHB position than Jakovich.

Val Perovic??? The Original "Woof"

 

[Dramoth]

Val Perovic??? The Original "Woof"

Michael Sexton

 

[The Toad]

Val Perovic??? The Original "Woof"

Michael Sexton

Where did Mario Bortolotto play?

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Robert Klomp, Number 22..

 

[rp84]

He has not taken the reigns at all yet. Nothing announced. As of right this second, he is an outsider.

Not really the same thing as the current coach, one that has shown passion for the club, being ripped on whilst in the job.

Once he is in place, let's see how many pro-Ratts people are saying MM is a dud, that he should piss off etc. That would be a better irony call ... yes?

Having said that, MM is here to replace a coach who had 3 years of finals and a bad injury year in his last year. MM has to
improve on that quickly or some reasoned discussions may start occurring.

That's pretty good spin for a whole bunch of negativity.

I loved ratten. Did some great things. Also arguably underachieved. Two straight sets finals losses and a tough secod round loss isn't a great record. Not terrible though, by all means. I think it's neither a travesty or a fantastic thing that he is gone. Top bloke, bleeds navy. Really though, that's not why you make decisions.

The essendon, port, and GC losses stamped his papers. Even injured, we should've won those games and played finals. I wish him well at port or gws.

But as i did when he came in, I'll get right behind MM and the Carlton FC.

Please stop thinly veiled attempts at destabilising comments, shrouded in playground insults.

Carn the Blues!

 

[turbo44]

Looking forward to the MM announcement today. Will be interested to see how questions are fielded when the media questions how long this has been in the making. I know it'll likely be standard answers but still it's surely the coaching change thoughts had been in the pipeline for a few months

 

[The_Wookie]

That's pretty good spin for a whole bunch of negativity.

I loved ratten. Did some great things. Also arguably underachieved. Two straight sets finals losses and a tough secod round loss isn't a great record. Not terrible though, by all means. I think it's neither a travesty or a fantastic thing that he is gone. Top bloke, bleeds navy. Really though, that's not why you make decisions.

The essendon, port, and GC losses stamped his papers. Even injured, we should've won those games and played finals. I wish him well at port or gws.

But as i did when he came in, I'll get right behind MM and the Carlton FC.

Please stop thinly veiled attempts at destabilising comments, shrouded in playground insults.

Carn the Blues!

Ok in recent dayssome of us been called all manner of things on this board, You''re previous post stated that all of the "anti-sack Ratten brigade" was going stuff that we simply arent. Look at posts by Dramoth, myself and ODN properly. As ive clearly said - Dont think Ratten deserved to be fired, dont approve of the way the whole scenario has gone down, but when the announcement is made, hes a Blues coach and gets my unconditional support. I cant speak for Dramoth and ODN - despite the fact that we have apparently formed some sort of secret pro-Ratten, Anti Mick, Anti Cloke, and financially prudent organisation.

I still want someone to explain to me how we can flog Essendon one week, and the next week go out and lose to the gold coas in the manner that we did. I dont think thats Rattens fault. It was the same team, the same players. Utterly different result.

 

[Sector 7G]

There was a bloke by the name of Bruce Doull who went alright. CHB in our 1972, 1979 & 1981 premiership teams & FB in our 1982 premiership team. Named at HB in both the Carlton & AFL Team of the Century, yet played most his football as a KPD. Jakovich wouldn't even be in the same ball park as Doull.

To stay impartial I didn't include Carlton players at CHB. Perfect 3rd tall ( Bortolotto and Peravic were Key defenders in 81,82) as he could play small or tall, always had so much time to dispose of the ball and was rarely tackled. Another player who was at the top of their game for pretty much all of the 300+ games. He won a b&f at 34 and a Norm Smith at 31 which would have to be close to the oldest.

 

[rp84]

I agree with some of what you say wookie. Financial prudence is incredibly important. Though
I doubt anyone would systematically rort the system like previously.

The sack ratten argument is a moot point. I put myself squarely in the middle. Unsure if he could win us a flag. Fairly sure he could make us a regular top 6 team. regardless, he is gone. No point whining about it.

The bad losses this year were terrible. A lot of people will argue, rightly or wrongly, say the buck stops with the coach for not being able to get them focussed.

As for cloke, he is definitely worth 650-750k. Maybe more, but that is arguable. It is a clear list deficiency. Relying on unproven young KPP is an act of idiocy. This list has 3-4 years left to win a flag. After that, it will be a lot harder without judd, Waite, carrots, Simpson, Scotland etc. The time to strike is now. I, with a lot of people, are concerned we don't have the replacements for those players to keep us up for a long time. Our recent draftees, bar a couple, are a long way from being serviceable, let alone dominant AFL players.

This is the time to top up with senior players, rather than keep building. You have to have a tilt eventually. The GC/GWS talent in 5 years has everyone running scared.

The club feels they have upgraded the coaching position, With a coach with a gameplan that wins you finals. I am excited purely because of how average some of his pies teams were that were successful. With a team that is As talented as ours, we hope he can be a dominant force.

If we chase a few senior players at the expense of average kids, this is the time. One only needs to look at ball/jolly. Hale/Burgoyne at hawks.

Now is definitely the time to take a chance.

 

[Veggie]

Anyone heard if today's presser will be live on Fox Sports or Internet?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Great Post Dramoth.

Bruce Doull was a Legend and people sadly have forgotten how good he was, his name should always be mentioned when talking of Great Defenders, i only ever remember 1 player getting the better of the Flying Doormat, and that was Sticks Kernahan in a State Game between Victoria and South Australia. As for Southby, he was my Favorite player as a kid and had Mum stitching the number 20 on the back of my Jumper in the Late 70s..
Now Hopefully one of our Defenders turn into a Doull or Southby under Mick Malthouse..

Doull was our best defender ever and was appropriately rewarded with his place in the team of the century. I only named SOS as a challenger to Jakovich from the same era as him. Geez, we were well served with champion defenders for a while.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

That's pretty good spin for a whole bunch of negativity.

Where is the spin? You tried to call out posters by drawing a comparison with people having a go at Ratten. Fact is Ratten was a Carlton person, tracking well until injuries hit, and he copped it almost every week on, here deserved or undeserved. You think people being sick of the media posturing prior to Malthouse signing is just as bad as what Ratts copped. I say you are turning it into something it is not. Please explain otherwise.

Please stop thinly veiled attempts at destabilising comments, shrouded in playground insults.

What are you talking about? Where are my playground insults? What comments do you consider destabilising?

You can't quote someone, make accusations and not expand on it.

 

[Monkey King]

Bruce Doull was a Legend and people sadly have forgotten how good he was, his name should always be mentioned when talking of Great Defenders, i only ever remember 1 player getting the better of the Flying Doormat, and that was Sticks Kernahan in a State Game between Victoria and South Australia.

I'm much the same, but sadly also recall him getting handed it by Dunstall in his last game. But yes, very rare to see anyone get the better of Bruce Doull. He gets very good recognition from those who saw his career, but a lot on BF for example don't seem to know just how good this bloke really was.

He won a b&f at 34 and a Norm Smith at 31 which would have to be close to the oldest.

And he would have had two Norm Smith's as well if the award had been given out in 72' the year he smashed Royce Hart for BOG in the premiership side.

 

[Aphrodite]

It's Malthouse day !!!!

 

[V23]

Anyone heard if today's presser will be live on Fox Sports or Internet?

http://www.afl.com.au/video/tabid/76/contentid/489056/default.aspx

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yes, better keep this thread clear for comments and wookie's video.

Amazing how these things go off track. Goes from Jakovich - Assistant Coach to Jakovich - the best defender of his era to SOS - the best defender of Jako's era to Doull/Southby - the best defender's ever. Then you look up and see the thread is about Malthouse. Only takes one big call to force a correction.

Malthouse ... hoping to hear some comments on our club and history. Hoping to hear comments on some players within our list. Some things he likes, something positive about our prospects. Not hoping to hear talk about getting in to the club and seeing what happens from there (although realistically that is all he is in a position to say but it is a long time coming for PR sound bytes). Not hoping to hear talk about things taking time, a lot of hard work to do etc etc (again, I know there is some work to do, game plan and etc). I just don't want to hear anything that suggests that success might be a few years away, your typical coach setup to ensure there is no pressure for a couple of years. I don't want anything that has us going backwards from our 5th last season or what got us into temporary flag favouritism. We made changes because we are thought to have underperformed, even allowing for injuries, so I figure we dismiss this season, and have a starting point of 5th.

 

[HARKER]

The feed has started with some weird stuff going on.

Not sure the guys know this is being broadcast.