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Grover said:
what about T.Tuck to Hartlett,

this spot i would look to upgrade later in the year
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Was thinking the same trade - not sure though. Tuck has shown the potential to score well but hasn't done so since returning from injury...

Because i obviously want to upgrade him at some stage and trading him to Hartlett means this would be along time away; think i'll hang onto him.

I'll hang onto Rich and Hase aswell, they'll bounce back!

Robinson to Harlett = 14k wooo :eek:
 
Peoples opinions...

T. Tuck down to hartlett and Hille up to Cox
OR
Skipworth down to Warren and Hille up to Cox

Hartlett looks the better off the two but is more pricey. Tuck needs to score around 100 to stop a price drop.
Skipworth is obviously injured and may find it hard to get back into the team.. And Warren is cheaper.

Thoughts?
 
Eyy Guys,

Id be really really careful trading down someone like rich so early. Ill never forget ( i think it was the 07 season when selwood debuted???) i had him on my bench. He had been scoring ok without being great so i traded him out. The week i did that was the week he turned around, scored 117 or somthing and absolutly exploded onto the scene.

My point is everyone is automatically assuming rich is going to peak at 250000-270000 and he very well may. But you never know what can happen in football. There have been plenty of examples of rookie players getting up there among the best in their first year e.g. priddis and palmer. Id be very careful trading rich out. He had a dirty day on saturday against the best team in the comp and copped a 50 and the week before that i think he had 60 odd in a loss to collingwood which we all know can match it with the best on their day and also lose to the worst! Before that all his scores were 80's and 90's.

Correct me if im wrong but hartlett is also just coming back to injury and rich has had no injuries. At the start of the season everyone was calling rich the palmer of 09. 2 average matches (still pritty good for a rookie) and everyone is jumping off him due to hartlett emerging. Remember even the start of the season everyone jumped on mitch robinson after round 2. Since then i think he has been fairly average and hasnt done a whole lot at all. Hartlett could do exactly the same thing.

At the end of the day Hamish Hartlett could very easily turn around and be an awsome recruit, play on your bench all year or very easily be upgraded for a fallen premium. All im saying is dont just jump on him coz everyone else is. Also dont just jump off rich coz his had two sub 70 games. Im not saying hartlett wont be good, just providing another option rather than just jumping on the hartlett banwagon because alot of teams are:)
 

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Otten is someone im planning on trading up, not down. Hill -> DeBoer/Cockie is looking good, gives me enough cash for a couple of upgrades.
 
Burger I wouldnt be so sure.
Just like anyone he will need to maintain some good form or will be dropped back to the WAFL. The AFL is a different league to the WAFL and if he doesnt perform I think theres enough players fighting for the spot. Also unlike previous years the Eagles are starting in a position where the 8 is definately a chance and the selectors will definately field what they think is the strongest 22.
 
Decipher said:
Burger I wouldnt be so sure.
Just like anyone he will need to maintain some good form or will be dropped back to the WAFL. The AFL is a different league to the WAFL and if he doesnt perform I think theres enough players fighting for the spot. Also unlike previous years the Eagles are starting in a position where the 8 is definately a chance and the selectors will definately field what they think is the strongest 22.
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Fair enough and I understand your doubts of his consistent spot in the team though I think if you look at Woosha's coaching record and Cockie's preseason and WAFL form he will be able to hold his place. Woosh is very good to his players in the way he gives them a few games to prove himself e.g Hansen, Stinger, Chad, McKinley, Masten and Ebert. If you look at all these blokes they really deserved to be dropped and weren't. If Cockie can get 12+ touches and more importantly he chases and tackles hard this week I guarentee he will play most of the rest of the games we have this season.
 
favourites said:
De Boer shows better value imo with the palmer injury.
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His WAFL form has been a lot worse than Cockie's. I know Palmer is out for the rest of the year but other guys such as Duffield, Thornton, Hinkley and even Ballentyne (when he returns) will all be fighting for that one or two spots in the side.
 
It will be a hard choice out of Cockie/Deboer at this stage. I'm looking for one that holds their spot more then point scoring although both would be nice :p
 

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Jimhouse said:
It will be a hard choice out of Cockie/Deboer at this stage. I'm looking for one that holds their spot more then point scoring although both would be nice :p
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Thats the thing, consistency pays not only in team selections but also in dreamteam. If you look at Otten vs Rich atm its obvious which one you'd rather have in hindsight.
 
melanChronic said:
I think thats what hes saying, that even though dreamteam wise they have been similar, you would rather rich because his spot seems more safe (although atm ottens looks pretty safe too)
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Wrong mate sorry. I think at the moment (though things can and probably will change) Otten is the better option in hindsight. Their price is similar as is their total score and job security however due to Otten's consistency his Breakeven this week is only 18 whilst Rich's is 62. This can be seen in the difference in their Std Deviation with Otten's being 9.6 and Rich's 15.13. Also whilst Rich started off with a bang he has not performed as well in the last two weeks whilst Otten has quietly risen week in week out (pretty much).
 
bigburger said:
Wrong mate sorry. I think at the moment (though things can and probably will change) Otten is the better option. Their price is similar as is their total score and job security however due to Otten's consistency his Breakeven this week is only 18 whilst Rich's is 62. This can be seen in the difference in their Std Deviation with Otten's being 9.6 and Rich's 15.13.
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Exactly. Feeling a lot happier now than I was two weeks ago about not having Rich
 

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Well I have them both but I will be trading Rich for Hartlett this week. Hartlett will be the same price as those two at the end of the year imo and that means I would have made 100k more from them. Whilst this seems a little silly and a waste of a trade the fact is I am gaining more by trading Rich out this week than in weeks to come when his price is pushing 300k. This is because I would have gained that 100k on top of Rich (as I firmly believe Hartlett will score as well if not better than him) already who I would trade out anyway as he is only a cash cow for me.

Also the way things are going so far this year all the value in the rookies is coming from mids. It is becoming increasingly rare for a back or forward rookie to make a debut and look like staying in the side.
 
I'm still not sure whether to do Rich -> Hartlett
Or
Walker -> Warren

Hartlett is almost guaranteed to earn me back the cash but im not sure Warren is?

Thoughts?
 
Jimhouse said:
I'm still not sure whether to do Rich -> Hartlett
Or
Walker -> Warren

Hartlett is almost guaranteed to earn me back the cash but im not sure Warren is?

Thoughts?
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Its for this reason that imo its a no brainer. Everyones saying "hang on to Rich" but personally I think thats the wrong move. Its likely that everyones going to trade Rich down anyway so whats the point in waiting when your getting just as good of a buy in Hartlett. Mark Williams must have heard dreamteamers everywhere when he decided to hold back on debuting Hartlett until Round 4 because its meant you can gain an easy 100k out of Rich and have a quality replacement.
 
bigburger said:
Its for this reason that imo its a no brainer. Everyones saying "hang on to Rich" but personally I think thats the wrong move. Its likely that everyones going to trade Rich down anyway so whats the point in waiting when your getting just as good of a buy in Hartlett. Mark Williams must have heard dreamteamers everywhere when he decided to hold back on debuting Hartlett until Round 4 because its meant you can gain an easy 100k out of Rich and have a quality replacement.
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Dude. You sound like a sensible person, but I can't quite work out if you really are delusional or just trying to get approval for a trade you seem destined to make.

Its simple:
Option A
Trade Rich out early and lose $60-70k
Trade in hartlett and gain $130-160K (Generous estimate)

Option B
Trade out Rich for Cockie/deBoer in 2 weeks time and make $80-$100k+
Still would expect to loose $30-40k on rich

Option C
Wait even longer
Trade our rich for swift/Anthony or whomever once he has peaked and make at least $70,000

I'd pick the later one based on this analysis alone. Option A still only bags you $70-$90k. Even option B looks better.

You have something you're not telling us? Underperforming player? Fallen premium you want to snatch now?


BTW: i have Hasleby and looking to trade to Hartlett then upgrade Harding to hodge.
 
anyone jumping on Coughlan (only 176k)

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nevergunalerners said:
Dude. You sound like a sensible person, but I can't quite work out if you really are delusional or just trying to get approval for a trade you seem destined to make.

Its simple:
Option A
Trade Rich out early and lose $60-70k
Trade in hartlett and gain $130-160K (Generous estimate)

Option B
Trade out Rich for Cockie/deBoer in 2 weeks time and make $80-$100k+
Still would expect to loose $30-40k on rich

Option C
Wait even longer
Trade our rich for swift/Anthony or whomever once he has peaked and make at least $70,000

I'd pick the later one based on this analysis alone. Option A still only bags you $70-$90k. Even option B looks better.

You have something you're not telling us? Underperforming player? Fallen premium you want to snatch now?


BTW: i have Hasleby and looking to trade to Hartlett then upgrade Harding to hodge.
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If Rich is starting, why would you trade down -> Cockie/DeBoer who may not even keep their spot for long? Hartlett is more safe.

FWIW I'll be gtting 1 of those to (Cockie/DeBoer) for Otten already who's sitting on my bench. I want to upgrade Rich more then downgrade him but it may be worth downgrading him first and then upgrading that player -> Gun once they have risen in price.
 

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