List Mgmt. Mid-Season Draft 2022

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ScrappyDo

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At the MSD we can potentially take up to 2 players if we put two players (Hayes and Coffield) onto the LTI.

Draftees can be on only 6 month contracts, but I hope that we gain players for the longterm (ie Heath and Sharman types) and not aging just back-up/stopgap depth selections like we have with many of our old FA or Supplementary Draft Selections who have been mainly awful. Wood good(and not old and so not just a one year pick!!!. Marsh worth a look (again youngish)but Frawley, P Hunter, McKernan, Sam Rowe awful decisions. Hayes and Lienert both in their prime year were good pick-ups wortha shot to see how they would go..

I would hope that in the MSD we would take young to young-ish players. So that would be players who 6 months would be too short to keep.

With two Covid years there is plenty of potential for identifying late bloomers, or simply players that just good not show there stuff due to lack of games.

THE PROBLEM
1/ We currently have picks 9, 27, 45, 63, 81 etc in the 2022 draft. So ignoring trades 3 to 4 good live picks.

2/ There are some decent and gettable UFA's about for the 2022 draft period, and the chance to land one or two. ie Amon.

So 1/ and 2/ are good in terms of improving our list.

BUT 3/ We currently have very few obvious delistings from the players whose contracts finish this year.

Geary
Kent
Hannebery

Then:
Ryder: Yes is old, but looks very capable of playing quality football again in 2023. I see our team as being more of a chance in 20223, than 2022 and so I personably would be looking to retain him as Heath while a good prospect will most likely still be quite raw in 2023.


Joyce: Has not forced his way into 22. Though this season has looked good at Sandy. Unfortunately for Joyce at only 25, someone has to go.

Others whose contracts finish in 2022 who are not locks to keep: Bytel and Byrnes.

Highmore's contract finishes in 2022 but showed last year he is good enough at AFL level, and is playing well now at Sandi. Still not to be in the 22. and Battle now down back seems to have pushed him out of the 22.

Wood is also 2022 contracted and while in the 22 currently is say the group of players who could be in or out of it.

Lienert is also only signed for 2022. Looks ok at AFL level.

Campbell is also only signed for 2022. He looks ok for what he is meant to be which is ruck cover. He is much better at AFL level that Hunter or McKernan. But he probably has to go. Maybe sign him to Sandi to help our younger mids develop.

Allison is a mystery. Re-signed to 2024.

So summing all that up if we take 2 in the MSD that we would want to retain in 2023 that is:

IN: 2 MSD, say 3 or 4 National Draft and 1 or 2 FA's. Plus any trades. So that is 5/6 ins plus any FA's or trades. Maybe 6 to 8.
OUT: But only say 5 initial obvious out.

So the problem is to take 2 in the MSD that we are going to have to cut or trade some players that we might otherwise wish to keep. And trading often results in a player or pick coming back, though the pick could be in the 2023 draft.

By now the club would have had feelers out with any likely FA's to know if we are in with a chance or not, and that we would have to free up a list spot or spots for.

So the choice could be between taking 1 or 2 in the SD and cutting 1 or 2 players at the end of 2022 that you would be tempted to keep. Even with zero in the MSD it will quite possibly see one of two players squeezed out whom you would think good enough to stay.

So some hard calls are going to be made. Both in whether we participate in the MSD or not, but also ultimately in who gets squeezed off the list at season's end.

Now with the MSD we can also delay that call somewhat by nominating 1 or 2 slots, but only then using those 1 or 2 slots if the player or players that we really want are still available by our selection.

When is the 2022 AFL mid-season rookie draft? The NAB AFL mid-season rookie draft will be held on the evening on Wednesday June 1

We will hopefully have two more wins by then. While that is good :) it means our draft selections are going to be latish :( which may deny us the chance to get any of the players who we would really like to acquire.
Best not to over think this one imo.

Last year's MSD was bolstered by the 2020 covid national draft which saw several touted prospects go undrafted and a total number of only 59 drafted compared to 65 and 78 the previous years, and 65 again in 2021.
The chances of another 22 players being taken this year are about zero.

Does it really matter?
In the end the point of it all is to fill your list with talent for a premiership. As you say we only have just enough opening spots for this years national draft, so if we take no one in the MSD are we really missing out on anything?

We'd be smart to open the list spots, but don't be surprised if we come away with nothing.
 

Winmar2Lockett

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Can anyone clarify if we already have 1 list spot vacant?

From memory we had 2 spots then signed Lienert and let Naish walk.

This doesn't include Coff or Hayesy.
 

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hangdog

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With his pace we need to get him with ball in hand.
Pressure forward would be a complete waste.
He loves the contact though, and has a league background. Extreme pace, good tackling ability, Elite endurance. Definitely see him as a small pressure forward.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we grabbed a ruck/forward type. Hayes was on the list for a reason, and now he’s gone, Paddy’s still old, Marshall’s playing injured. After them it’s just Heath (raw) and Campbell (just ok). May as well identify a VFL tall and give them six months at Sandy as a break glass type.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we grabbed a ruck/forward type. Hayes was on the list for a reason, and now he’s gone, Paddy’s still old, Marshall’s playing injured. After them it’s just Heath (raw) and Campbell (just ok). May as well identify a VFL tall and give them six months at Sandy as a break glass type.
But where does this person play?
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if we grabbed a ruck/forward type. Hayes was on the list for a reason, and now he’s gone, Paddy’s still old, Marshall’s playing injured. After them it’s just Heath (raw) and Campbell (just ok). May as well identify a VFL tall and give them six months at Sandy as a break glass type.


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Is there a reason they can’t play at Sandy?
But if he is a ruck he can’t ruck at sandy because Campbell is first ruck and Heath is second ruck and we need Heath to get as much practice as possible.
 

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But if he is a ruck he can’t ruck at sandy because Campbell is first ruck and Heath is second ruck and we need Heath to get as much practice as possible.

Yeah I said forward ruck like Hayes. Same role Chris Carey seems to be playing.
 

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We can fill spots for Hayes and Coffield if we want
Yeah I saw that article but wasn't sure it was correct.

I'm sure we were discussing whether to take both Lienert & Naish but maybe that was under the assumption that we had already moved Coff to the LTI so had two spots.
 

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Yeah I said forward ruck like Hayes. Same role Chris Carey seems to be playing.
Yep but you really don’t get a lot of game time in the ruck if 3 are doing it. I really wouldn’t bother about this draft. It’s certainly nothing like last year if you trust the media experts.
 

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This time last year we had a lot more injuries than this year so the mid-season draft doen't have as much appeal to me. It's always great to welcome new players to the club but I am not sure if it is necessary at the moment.
 

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"St Kilda is in the same position as the Crows, with Nick Coffield and Jack Hayes both sidelined for the rest of the season due to knee injuries. Foxfooty.com.au understands the Saints will have at least one pick next week."

"Exciting forward Hugo Hall-Kahan, who’s booted 11.7 from five NAB League games, is also strongly tipped to be picked up. St Kilda tried to nominate him as an NGA prospect after discovering late in the picture he was eligible under rules, but the AFL denied the application. The Saints will no doubt consider Hall-Kahan, but Sydney – which is set to pick before St Kilda – also has interest in him."

These two paragraphs are the only St Kilda relevant mentions. Interesting that Hall-Kahan could have fallen under our Academy but the application was denied. Small pressure forward is a bit of a weakness on our list so I wouldn't mind it.
 

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I'd take a KPD and another inside/outside mid.

Knowing the club though we are getting a 193cm South Aussie & then passing with our second pick.well if they do that then their record is pretty good lately.
 

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"St Kilda is in the same position as the Crows, with Nick Coffield and Jack Hayes both sidelined for the rest of the season due to knee injuries. Foxfooty.com.au understands the Saints will have at least one pick next week."

"Exciting forward Hugo Hall-Kahan, who’s booted 11.7 from five NAB League games, is also strongly tipped to be picked up. St Kilda tried to nominate him as an NGA prospect after discovering late in the picture he was eligible under rules, but the AFL denied the application. The Saints will no doubt consider Hall-Kahan, but Sydney – which is set to pick before St Kilda – also has interest in him."

These two paragraphs are the only St Kilda relevant mentions. Interesting that Hall-Kahan could have fallen under our Academy but the application was denied. Small pressure forward is a bit of a weakness on our list so I wouldn't mind it.


If we wanted a tall back man We should look at Sam Durdin. He was a high pick at North and was a bit of a shock delisting. I thought we should look at him when he was delisted. He's a huge unit.
 

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