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Shipping Report said:
The club thinks it's way smarter than it is so always misses out on this shit, then gets guys like Oscar McDonald and Narkle in (Narkle seems like a really lovely fella too so I hate saying this) instead.
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The success rate of the MSD outside of 2021 (post-Covid) and the top 3-4 picks is absolutely shite.

Don't really rate Narkle but there's probably only 3-4 other MSD picks across its history that would add more to our list than McDonald.

We basically gave up a MSD pick this year to put Isiah Dudley on the list. Is that a poor decision?

Ten clubs didn't participate telling you how valued it is across the board.

The MSD is not worth ruling a best 25 player out for the season for unless there's no other alternative. Simple as that really.
 
Docker82 said:
Don't really rate Narkle but there's probably only 3-4 other MSD picks across its history that would add more to our list than McDonald.

We basically gave up a MSD pick this year to put Isiah Dudley on the list. Is that a poor decision?

Ten clubs didn't participate telling you how valued it is across the board.

The MSD is not worth ruling a best 25 player out for the season for unless there's no other alternative. Simple as that really.
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I’d rather have Selwood on the list than about 4-5 of our blokes
 

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10 teams, including us, put themselves in a position to not select anyone in the MSD. Not quite sure why we're panicking over missing out on it. For all intents and purposes, if you select someone in the MSD you're keeping them for 18 months. Behind the backdrop of the few success stories (often higher picks) are many list cloggers.

For context, Freo's most successful MSD pick is Ethan Stanley who played 2 games subbed in late. We've already had 4 SSPs from the last 2 years alone play more: Sharp, Voss, Narkle, Dudley.
 
thistimeforsure said:
I’d rather have Selwood on the list than about 4-5 of our blokes
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The question is would you rather have him on our list than Walker, Young or Simpson?

They're the ones we'd need to place on the inactive list. For them to come off the inactive list someone needs to get a long term injury to replace them. Whilst that's likely in the next 8-10 weeks, it isn't guaranteed and it is pretty reasonable to assume that these three can make a greater impact when it matters (i.e. late in the season and/or finals) than any MSD selection we would've got realistically.
 
CaseySibosadoHOF said:
10 teams, including us, put themselves in a position to not select anyone in the MSD. Not quite sure why we're panicking over missing out on it. For all intents and purposes, if you select someone in the MSD you're keeping them for 18 months. Behind the backdrop of the few success stories (often higher picks) are many list cloggers.

For context, Freo's most successful MSD pick is Ethan Stanley who played 2 games subbed in late. We've already had 4 SSPs from the last 2 years alone play more: Sharp, Voss, Narkle, Dudley.
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Geelong and Sydney are two teams with similar success rates to us. Enough said.
 
Righteo said:
When NOD returns we can send Wagner back again but after that we really have no coverage for small backs. Except Banfield I guess.
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Aish isn't cooked yet, don't understand why folks are so dismissive of his ability to run down back as a fallback option if needed. It his last AFL season but he has proven ability and current fitness.
 
BeinPurplenGreen said:
Aish isn't cooked yet, don't understand why folks are so dismissive of his ability to run down back as a fallback option if needed. It his last AFL season but he has proven ability and current fitness.
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He's 29 years old and has been a more than solid contributor whenever he gets a go - there's a lot worse back ups than him. Suspect he comes in and maintains a spot there for the foreseeable.
 
s_wd6 said:
And what number pick did WC have in all those drafts? And what pick would we have had?

MSD only worth anything if you’ve got a top 2/3 pick
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We didnt have a chance this year but would've had pick 5, so pretty high up

You can still pick good players in it, then factor in all the mature agers that go later in the year, if you're good enough you can pick em

Last year was also a strong draft so likely a few fell through the cracks


Anyway we didn't have scope for a pick this year as far as I can tell but I still see value in this draft
 
There's such a low success rate it's hardly worth banking on. It's nice to have a shiny new toy but chances are they won't be on the list within a couple of seasons if our history is anything to go by.
 

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Docker82 said:
The question is would you rather have him on our list than Walker, Young or Simpson?

They're the ones we'd need to place on the inactive list. For them to come off the inactive list someone needs to get a long term injury to replace them. Whilst that's likely in the next 8-10 weeks, it isn't guaranteed and it is pretty reasonable to assume that these three can make a greater impact when it matters (i.e. late in the season and/or finals) than any MSD selection we would've got realistically.
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No way I’m playing Young again this year , contracted into the 2030’s and how many bad hammy’s is this now 4 ? With 2 really bad ones back to back in the last 12 months

Wouldn’t matter anyway if I was making these types of calls then there would be a spot open every year

Anyway I just like Sellwood , he’s improved nicely year on year and Ill be interested to see how he goes in a professional environment

Blythe has done ok as a similar type of pick from Peel
 
thistimeforsure said:
No way I’m playing Young again this year , contracted into the 2030’s and how many bad hammy’s is this now 4 ? With 2 really bad ones back to back in the last 12 months

Wouldn’t matter anyway if I was making these types of calls then there would be a spot open every year

Anyway I just like Sellwood , he’s improved nicely year on year and Ill be interested to see how he goes in a professional environment

Blythe has done ok as a similar type of pick from Peel
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Really really like Sellwood.
He sowed up the AFL spot by a consistent performance for WA v SA a few weeks ago.
Simpson must’ve been very close to the LTI, given he ll be back by Round 22.
Obviously want to motivate him in the rehab process
 
I presume WC won the mid season Draft and are still celebrating?

Did their picks make the back page of the Worst Australian?

I can’t be bothered checking.
 
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thistimeforsure said:
No way I’m playing Young again this year , contracted into the 2030’s and how many bad hammy’s is this now 4 ? With 2 really bad ones back to back in the last 12 months

Wouldn’t matter anyway if I was making these types of calls then there would be a spot open every year

Anyway I just like Sellwood , he’s improved nicely year on year and Ill be interested to see how he goes in a professional environment

Blythe has done ok as a similar type of pick from Peel
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Blight was pick 2. A selection we couldn't possibly get.

That's the exact point me and number of other posters are making. Its good early, after that the MSD is a bit shite and we're better off using other ways to recruit players longer term IMO.
 
Docker82 said:
Blight was pick 2. A selection we couldn't possibly get.

That's the exact point me and number of other posters are making. Its good early, after that the MSD is a bit shite and we're better off using other ways to recruit players longer term IMO.
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Your point is clear and well made, but it's whinge-o'clock.
 

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I did a review on the MSD just then, Idno if its true that the top picks are the best and the others suck

Seems to be as many top end busts as there were bottom end and as many good picks from the mid-bottom range as there were top end.


Just got to nail the pick like any other draft (Not saying we should have this year, we didn't have scope for a pick)


People talking about Duds, with the MSD you could get a Duds 6 months earlier! our other SSP picks have been on lists so weren't available but little Duds was available last MSD!
 
freo_leo29 said:
I did a review on the MSD just then, Idno if its true that the top picks are the best and the others suck

Seems to be as many top end busts as there were bottom end and as many good picks from the mid-bottom range as there were top end.


Just got to nail the pick like any other draft (Not saying we should have this year, we didn't have scope for a pick)


People talking about Duds, with the MSD you could get a Duds 6 months earlier! our other SSP picks have been on lists so weren't available but little Duds was available last MSD!
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The reality is with a lot of those successful later picks, it's often teams using their affiliate teams to ostensibly scout players. By the time the MSD comes along, they've already put months of work in. The VFL teams seem in a better position to do so than Peel do.

Now Peel have had 2 taken in the past 2 seasons with fairly high picks. Blight early signs aren't that he'll be something worth worrying about. If Sellwood breaks out that'd sting coz he's been under our noses for a few years. But in terms of later pick stash-and-develops, Peel don't have the systems in place to make that happen.

What's especially great about the SSP is you get a good while of the player under your nose. You can make an informative call. It levels the playing field for teams like us. Idk how much the WAFC holds Peel back from being able to compete in terms of recruiting players. But if we want to be better at the MSD, it probably starts with putting in the work months before.
 
freo_leo29 said:
I did a review on the MSD just then, Idno if its true that the top picks are the best and the others suck

Seems to be as many top end busts as there were bottom end and as many good picks from the mid-bottom range as there were top end.


Just got to nail the pick like any other draft (Not saying we should have this year, we didn't have scope for a pick)


People talking about Duds, with the MSD you could get a Duds 6 months earlier! our other SSP picks have been on lists so weren't available but little Duds was available last MSD!
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Outside of early picks and Ned Long last year, who was a delisted hack who's somehow come good for Collingwood, there's been more good mature agers come in and make an impact that were drafted over the off season.

Absolutely no idea if they nominated for the MSD last year but Riley Bice, Sam Davidson and Isiah Dudley are three names that come to mind. Sure there's others that have made minor contributions so far too.
 
Docker82 said:
Outside of early picks and Ned Long last year, who was a delisted hack who's somehow come good for Collingwood, there's been more good mature agers come in and make an impact that were drafted over the off season.

Absolutely no idea if they nominated for the MSD last year but Riley Bice, Sam Davidson and Isiah Dudley are three names that come to mind. Sure there's others that have made minor contributions so far too.
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Funnily enough I was wrong on Duds, he didn't nom last year

Bice and Davidson were available though


2x Werribee boys went this year (Where Bice was from)


Still think there have been plenty decent players that have come through that weren't early

Pick 5 onwards, Noble, Pickett, Moyle, Peatling, Durham, Boyd, Sharman, Disco, Bauer, Narkle, Mclachlan, Lord, Evans, El-Hawli, Long


There is another tier of about 10 or so names below these that show promise but are more in and out of the team, these players I've listed above are B22 locks or b25ish at their clubs


MSD is just another tool that can work out if clubs put in the work (and are unlucky enough to have an open spot)
 
freo_leo29 said:
Funnily enough I was wrong on Duds, he didn't nom last year

Bice and Davidson were available though


2x Werribee boys went this year (Where Bice was from)


Still think there have been plenty decent players that have come through that weren't early

Pick 5 onwards, Noble, Pickett, Moyle, Peatling, Durham, Boyd, Sharman, Disco, Bauer, Narkle, Mclachlan, Lord, Evans, El-Hawli, Long


There is another tier of about 10 or so names below these that show promise but are more in and out of the team, these players I've listed above are B22 locks or b25ish at their clubs


MSD is just another tool that can work out if clubs put in the work (and are unlucky enough to have an open spot)
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Think you've got to remove 2021 from this discussion tbh. We all know what happened in 2020 and it had a big impact on talent identification in 2020 leading to a much stronger than normal MSD.

Tbh I think picks 1-3 are equivalent to picks in the 40-60 range of the National Draft. After that you're talking the last ten or so National Draft picks, the Rookie Draft and SSP in terms of quality. As you've pointed out it varies massively.

Thing is no one is complaining if we pass on pick 60+ or a Rookie Draft selection. I don't see why the MSD is any different. Some posters are acting like we just passed a first round selection at the National Draft.
 
Essendon landed Archie May from Subiaco in the mid season draft, Brereton raves on about him. He is a big brute of a man.
I never knew much about him till now, I know Freo didn't need him, but he looks like he could be anything.

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