List Mgmt. Midfield in 2017

[catempire]

Here's my midfield tip: you'll see basically no change from the 2016 finals choice midfield (personnel) but significantly better output in 2017.

 

[Daniel McL]

Hand Blitz over to Scarlo for the summer and turn him into a defender, our backline is getting too old.

It shouldn't be too old next year.
I'm assuming both Lonergan & Enright will retire though, Mackie likely to go around again (don't want him to but oh well).
Back line something like Taylor, Hendo, Kolo, Thurlow, Bews/Mackie, Ruggles/Guthrie. Good balance, pretty young back line to be honest.

 

[longtimecat]

I thought Harrys output diminished this year and Mackie I think is also sliding. We have Gardner in the VFL who may make it but still think we need another KPB

 

[Lana]

Dangerfield and Selwood need to share the load more, I want their inside midfield rotations to be maxed out at 60% each rather than the 75% it was this year both can be a threat resting forward. I want Caddy and Menegola to get their inside mid rotations to be around 50%.

I'd play two ruckmen at most any three of them are good enough I just don't want us to select all three, the main benefit of having Blicavs as the 2nd ruckmen is that you get to fit in a extra runner but if you chose another ruckmen then your back to where you began. If Blicavs plays then I wouldn't play Scott Selwood. I think we have enough power on the inside we could use the extra rotation better elsewhere.

It's time for Lang and Cockatoo start getting more chances at the centre bounces. They are about the same age that Caddy, Guthrie and GHS were in 2014 when they started to move into the midfield on a more permanent basis.

Guthrie out of the main rotations we need him down back. We'll have him as an ace up our sleeve should we need him.

Duncan can be used to fill the remaining inside rotations. Like Guthrie he can give us a temporary boost of class but I mainly see him as an outside mid.

Keep Motlop out of the midfield rotations, I want him playing as a high forward flanker.

Selwood 60%
Dangerfield 60%
Caddy 50%
Menegola 50%
Blicavs/S.Selwood 40%
Cockatoo/Lang 20%
Guthrie/Duncan 20%

 

[steady2]

Obviously J. Selwood & Dangerfield are locks. But there are lots of players who can play midfield or go through the midfield at times.
What are people's thoughts on how our midfield will look in 2017, assuming all of them have full pre-seasons?
In terms of individuals I'm thinking:...
Blicavs - ??? I only want one of Smith/Stanley doing the main rucking (my preference is Stanley) with Blitz 2nd ruck, but are people's thoughts on Blitz' role next year ???

I would prefer to see Blicavs playing 2nd ruck and doing the other stuff from that position like 2015. He matched well with Stanley then. The answer would seem to be playing Stanley forward with only occasional pinch-hits in the ruck, this would hopefully help out Hawkins if Stanley is good enough. It also depends on how well Smith can play as first ruck, he was good in the early part of the season but inconsistent.

 

[catstorm]

This Duncan crap is stupid, let me run through his position in the team for everyone to get a better idea.

3rd in team for disposals
5th for score involvements
2nd for goal assists
8th for contested possessions
3rd for marks
3rd for tackles
7th for clearances
4th for inside 50s
9th for rebound 50s
3rd for frees for

All this in a supposed bad year, but hay whatever lets just trade away a player about to enter his prime because reasons.

 

[Lana]

This Duncan crap is stupid, let me run through his position in the team for everyone to get a better idea.

3rd in team for disposals
5th for score involvements
2nd for goal assists
8th for contested possessions
3rd for marks
3rd for tackles
7th for clearances
4th for inside 50s
9th for rebound 50s
3rd for frees for

All this in a supposed bad year, but hay whatever lets just trade away a player about to enter his prime because reasons.

But that's ranked against our poor performing team. It just isn't good enough.

 

[BlightysCats]

We have some weapons in the middle, i think a change/improvement in set up and structures will help dramatically.
The contested bulls don't need to kick the ball all the time.. the swans/dogs love the contest.. they both get the ball out quick by hands to a receiver.

If we are able to start using our inside bulls getting the ball out more our Guths amd Duncs who are good by foot will be more effective IMO. We seem to have mids who just try to charge through and bang in long by foot... danger has the explosive power to do it.. others shouldn't

The strength of the GWS, Doggies, and Sydney's midfield though is that they're nearly all inside and outside mids - we just don't have that, Caddy, and Blitz lack explosive outside speed, so do S. Selwood and J.Selwood. The only mids we have comparable to the majority of those teams mids (being tough inside but damaging with speed on the outside) is Danger and Guthrie (whenever he's actually in there).

 

[BlightysCats]

This Duncan crap is stupid, let me run through his position in the team for everyone to get a better idea.

3rd in team for disposals
5th for score involvements
2nd for goal assists
8th for contested possessions
3rd for marks
3rd for tackles
7th for clearances
4th for inside 50s
9th for rebound 50s
3rd for frees for

All this in a supposed bad year, but hay whatever lets just trade away a player about to enter his prime because reasons.

The two in bold aren't good enough, if you're a mid getting as much time in the guts as Duncan you have to be significantly higher in those particular stats - they were two areas we were destroyed in early against the Swans.

 

[catstorm]

The two in bold aren't good enough, if you're a mid getting as much time in the guts as Duncan you have to be significantly higher in those particular stats - they were two areas we were destroyed in early against the Swans.

But he's not an inside mid, and he doesn't spend much time in the guts.

Not every player needs to play in and under contested ball he's not built for it.

Selwood, Danger, SSelwood, Menegola, Caddy, Guthrie they can go in and get it and feed to Duncan on the outside, a good team needs both types of players.

 

[Nickoo]

We have given enough years for Duncan so think he should go. Caddy is required as he's a bull and crash around the packs. Unsure about Blitz. He can run all day but no real pace. He can ruck but only as a secondary. He needs to become a permanent back in my mind.

Yeah that is interesting as he is a smart guy who is a very fast learner. Why not back?


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[Art Vandelay_]

The two in bold aren't good enough, if you're a mid getting as much time in the guts as Duncan you have to be significantly higher in those particular stats - they were two areas we were destroyed in early against the Swans.

But he's not an inside mid, and he doesn't spend much time in the guts.

Not every player needs to play in and under contested ball he's not built for it.

Selwood, Danger, SSelwood, Menegola, Caddy, Guthrie they can go in and get it and feed to Duncan on the outside, a good team needs both types of players.

Lana Duncan's centre bounce attendance % please.

 

[Boxhead_31]

This Duncan crap is stupid, let me run through his position in the team for everyone to get a better idea.

3rd in team for disposals
5th for score involvements
2nd for goal assists
8th for contested possessions
3rd for marks
3rd for tackles
7th for clearances
4th for inside 50s
9th for rebound 50s
3rd for frees for

All this in a supposed bad year, but hay whatever lets just trade away a player about to enter his prime because reasons.

Same people would have been calling for Bartel to be traded in 2005

 

[Lana]

Lana Duncan's centre bounce attendance % please.

21% from rounds 1 to 23. 8th highest in the club (ruckmen excluded)

 

[Daniel McL]

The two in bold aren't good enough, if you're a mid getting as much time in the guts as Duncan you have to be significantly higher in those particular stats - they were two areas we were destroyed in early against the Swans.

It is true we did get destroyed in those areas by the Swans. But going away from the Swans game & focusing on Duncan's midfield time I reckon start of the year Duncan was behind Caddy/Blicavs in terms of centre bounces (obviously behind Dangerwood we already knew), then middle of the year he was behind Dangerwood + Guthrie & possibly Blitz again too, then end of the year was behind Dangerwood + Menegola, Scooter and at times Guthrie too.

I want Duncan to be planted on the wing while guys like Dangerwood & Menegoladdy (ya like that ) get the ball out to him & Guthrie/Lang to use it well inside 50.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

No idea at this stage. All the mids besides danger and Joel were awful this year. So **** knows.

 

[BlightysCats]

Selwood, Danger, SSelwood, Menegola, Caddy, Guthrie they can go in and get it and feed to Duncan on the outside, a good team needs both types of players.

I understand that but he's not exceptionally quick on the outside and so needs to get better numbers specifically in clearances if we're to improve as a team.

 

[Nickoo]

Same people would have been calling for Bartel to be traded in 2005

Name names? Who are they?


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[catempire]

21% from rounds 1 to 23. 8th highest in the club (ruckmen excluded)

Stop the presses: 8th most used midfielder in centre square ranks 8th for cont poss and 7th for clearances.

BREAKING

 

[Lana]

Stop the presses: 8th most used midfielder in centre square ranks 8th for cont poss and 7th for clearances.

BREAKING

I was so surprised at the result I had to double check it. Now I'm almost certain that the AFL stats are incorrect

 

[catempire]

I was so surprised at the result I had to double check it. Now I'm almost certain that the AFL stats are incorrect

Supports my theory that criticisms of 2nd tier, whilst warranted to some extent, are overblown and their performances reflected the diminished significance of their role/importance to the team.

Need a team/tactical lift in 2017 more than anything.

 

[Lana]

Supports my theory that criticisms of 2nd tier, whilst warranted to some extent, are overblown and their performances reflected the diminished significance of their role/importance to the team.

Need a team/tactical lift in 2017 more than anything.

I had the same thought so I looked over it from a round by round basis. During the home and away season there were 63 times a player was involved in more than 50% of centre bounces in a game, 44 were from Dangerfield and Selwood, and just 19 times between everyone else. Blicavs had 7, Guthrie 6, Caddy 3, Menegola 2 and Duncan 1. I wish I had last years numbers or another teams to make a comparison but they're clearly not sharing the rotations enough.

 

[BlightysCats]

Stop the presses: 8th most used midfielder in centre square ranks 8th for cont poss and 7th for clearances.

BREAKING

Um there are stoppages around the ground too, sorry to break that to you.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Supports my theory that criticisms of 2nd tier, whilst warranted to some extent, are overblown and their performances reflected the diminished significance of their role/importance to the team.

Need a team/tactical lift in 2017 more than anything.

I think for some players that is true.
Caddy, Blicavs and Guthrie appear to the most affected by the shift in midfield personnel, in some respects it's harsh to slate them for the diminished presence.

The challenge will be over summer to devise a plan and train in a way that better maximises these players.
That might include giving Caddy more midfield time and using Danger and Selwood more forward at times.

I think we may need to consider only one of Smith and Stanley and then either the other or Blicavs.
All 3 seemingly can't play as Blicavs has no effective role otherwise.

 

[Goggin Our Best]

No idea at this stage. All the mids besides danger and Joel were awful this year. So **** knows.

I agree with that - and whats really annoying is when Geelong get just absolutely ripped to pieces in the 1st qtr - like last week - and the Collingwood game - where it is 7 goals to nothing at qtr time - and Geelong look completely powerless to do anything - you add in the Fremantle final - 5g 7b to one solitary point -and the 2010 PF - its just happening too much in big games - its like the old horror days of the past - the fragile/suspect Cats

One thing i found interesting re the midfield in 2015 - was i heard Ross Lyon ( now you can bag him if you like - but hes a pretty astute coach ) on the radio and he said about Selwood - the 1st thing he said was Selwood is a champion - then he said - however Joel gives you a look - he definitely gives you a look . Id love to know what he meant bythat - he wasnt being a smart aarse- he was just factually pointing something out

Hopefully they do something with the midfield next year - because im getting sick of Geelong falling to bits again when the blowtorch is applied