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ultimatley the key to this argument will be the price that has to be paid. My gut feel is that due to him being contracted for 2007 they wont release him for nix. which means we'd have to tempt the Lions. I don't think tiger fans need to look too far from home for evidence that sacrificing early pix has never lead anyone to the "promised land" Barring adelaide, the current flag contenders have been relentless in their investment in youth. We have followed this track for 2 years, I'd hate to think we lose faith now and fu#$ up all the hard work to date which I feel Geelong have done.IDGAF said:
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Are you talking about Aker or Michael, Bojangles?
Regarding Akermanis, the Lions only hold all the aces if they are prepared to waste one spot on their list and a fair amount of cash next year for no return (and then risk him going to the draft for nothing at the ned of 2007).
The lions want to get rid of him at all costs. That would put the advantage in the buyers hands not the sellers, if you ask me.
We must have a pick in the first round this year (IMHO).
Regarding Akermanis, the Lions only hold all the aces if they are prepared to waste one spot on their list and a fair amount of cash next year for no return (and then risk him going to the draft for nothing at the ned of 2007).
The lions want to get rid of him at all costs. That would put the advantage in the buyers hands not the sellers, if you ask me.
We must have a pick in the first round this year (IMHO).
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Read it and week Aker fans!!!
Re MM, isn't he more a second draft option? Generally where players of his age end up. Can't say I know much about his form of late, but if we were to get him, i would not be giving up any first, second or third round for him. I'd be surprised if any club would, but stranger things have happened. Most clubs seem to have seen the light in recruiting young talent, and if this draft is all it's cracked up to be, I couldn't fathom why you wouldn't go for long term players. Besides, there's gonna be more players come out of contract at season's end probably and, hopefully, MM's memory will be a distant blur.
RICHMOND has ruled out recruiting out-of-favour Brisbane Lions star Jason Akermanis.
Tigers president Gary March made it clear yesterday that Akermanis would not be at Punt Road next season despite coach Terry Wallace leaving the door slightly ajar for the 2001 Brownlow medal winner less than a fortnight ago.
"It would just go against our recruiting policy we established when Terry started less than two years ago," March said.
"I believe Aker would be better suited to a club challenging for the flag next year, and we might not be that close yet."
Akermanis, who is contracted to the Lions for another year, is now likely to concentrate on shifting to either Collingwood or Melbourne via the October player-exchange period.
Melbourne, the frontrunner for Akermanis, has already ruled out trading Queenslander Brad Miller, despite him playing just one senior game over the past two months.
Melbourne was the first club to put its hand up for Akermanis's services when he initially fell out with the Lions.
Demons chairman Paul Gardner declared his club's interest several months ago. "We're interested in any good player who can help improve our list," Gardner said.
"The ultimate decision would be up to (general manager of recruiting and list management) Craig Cameron and the coaching staff.
"Akermanis would add a lot of excitement to the club in much the same way that Byron (Pickett) has done. He's been excellent for us this season."
Well, one has bitten the dust according to the pres, who is going up in my estimation lol. Does his say count for much, or should footy matters stay in the hands of the coach? Anyway, i hope he's right.IDGAF said:
Re MM, isn't he more a second draft option? Generally where players of his age end up. Can't say I know much about his form of late, but if we were to get him, i would not be giving up any first, second or third round for him. I'd be surprised if any club would, but stranger things have happened. Most clubs seem to have seen the light in recruiting young talent, and if this draft is all it's cracked up to be, I couldn't fathom why you wouldn't go for long term players. Besides, there's gonna be more players come out of contract at season's end probably and, hopefully, MM's memory will be a distant blur.
RICHMOND has ruled out recruiting out-of-favour Brisbane Lions star Jason Akermanis.
Tigers president Gary March made it clear yesterday that Akermanis would not be at Punt Road next season despite coach Terry Wallace leaving the door slightly ajar for the 2001 Brownlow medal winner less than a fortnight ago.
"It would just go against our recruiting policy we established when Terry started less than two years ago," March said.
"I believe Aker would be better suited to a club challenging for the flag next year, and we might not be that close yet."
Akermanis, who is contracted to the Lions for another year, is now likely to concentrate on shifting to either Collingwood or Melbourne via the October player-exchange period.
Melbourne, the frontrunner for Akermanis, has already ruled out trading Queenslander Brad Miller, despite him playing just one senior game over the past two months.
Melbourne was the first club to put its hand up for Akermanis's services when he initially fell out with the Lions.
Demons chairman Paul Gardner declared his club's interest several months ago. "We're interested in any good player who can help improve our list," Gardner said.
"The ultimate decision would be up to (general manager of recruiting and list management) Craig Cameron and the coaching staff.
"Akermanis would add a lot of excitement to the club in much the same way that Byron (Pickett) has done. He's been excellent for us this season."
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Re: Read it and week Aker fans!!!
it would mean that we are still amateurs in getting things in perspective.
Single mindedness got us into this mess, re. going for recycled players and not recruiting the best youngsters, and now single mindedness is again going to let an opportutnity that knocks, go begging.
Gary March, if you are not flexible with a plan, then you get nowwhere my man.
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it would mean that we are still amateurs in getting things in perspective.
Single mindedness got us into this mess, re. going for recycled players and not recruiting the best youngsters, and now single mindedness is again going to let an opportutnity that knocks, go begging.
Gary March, if you are not flexible with a plan, then you get nowwhere my man.
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not sure where the rationale for that statement comes from Cogga. The whole principal in developing a plan is to act as a guide through the process to achieve the goals that were set. If your not going to stick to the plan then I'd argue why have one in the first f#$@en place
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Gary March, if you are not flexible with a plan, then you get nowwhere my man.
not sure where the rationale for that statement comes from Cogga. The whole principal in developing a plan is to act as a guide through the process to achieve the goals that were set. If your not going to stick to the plan then I'd argue why have one in the first f#$@en place
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the rationale? how about if we go back to the rationale of previous footy depts. If they had a flexible plan, i.e. pick the "best" available player, be it young or not young, then we wouldnt be in the crap we are in. It was always pick the next available, because they were available.
Yes, have a plan, but yes when the not planned crops up, i.e. "best" available player who wasnt available before, now is, doesnt need to have money "invested" in his development to see if he makes the grade, you need to be flexible. We are in this crap because we have never been flexible, we have always gone to extremes instead of weighing up the pros and cons in between.
Bojangles17 said:not sure where the rationale for that statement comes from Cogga. The whole principal in developing a plan is to act as a guide through the process to achieve the goals that were set. If your not going to stick to the plan then I'd argue why have one in the first f#$@en place
the rationale? how about if we go back to the rationale of previous footy depts. If they had a flexible plan, i.e. pick the "best" available player, be it young or not young, then we wouldnt be in the crap we are in. It was always pick the next available, because they were available.
Yes, have a plan, but yes when the not planned crops up, i.e. "best" available player who wasnt available before, now is, doesnt need to have money "invested" in his development to see if he makes the grade, you need to be flexible. We are in this crap because we have never been flexible, we have always gone to extremes instead of weighing up the pros and cons in between.
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We are in this crap because no one has ever had the balls to see anything through. We flail about from one half-finished plan to another.
We set a youth policy and draft some kids, the next year we are recruiting veterans and recyling duds. One year we are recruiting a bunch of strong bodies because we want to be Brisbane, the next we are recruting running players because we want to be the Eagles.
Richmond has never had any consistent planning over the course of 4-5 draft / trade periods.
We are at the stage oy our development where we need to keep bringing in large batches of elite young talent for another 3-4 years.
Then, in 2010, it might makes sense to recruit the equivelent of a Michael or Akermanis to give us that little push from 4th to contender.
Right now Akermanis would be a waste. He'd help us win another 3-4 games for three seasons. BIG DEAL. It is that sort of short-term impatience which demands wins immediately that has cripled our club for two decades.
Instead of looking for a HFF to win 3 extra games next year, lets try to find the midfielder that will help Polo, Deledio, Coughlan, Tuck and Tambling win 16 games in 2010.
CoggaRules said:We are in this crap because we have never been flexible, we have always gone to extremes instead of weighing up the pros and cons in between.
We are in this crap because no one has ever had the balls to see anything through. We flail about from one half-finished plan to another.
We set a youth policy and draft some kids, the next year we are recruiting veterans and recyling duds. One year we are recruiting a bunch of strong bodies because we want to be Brisbane, the next we are recruting running players because we want to be the Eagles.
Richmond has never had any consistent planning over the course of 4-5 draft / trade periods.
We are at the stage oy our development where we need to keep bringing in large batches of elite young talent for another 3-4 years.
Then, in 2010, it might makes sense to recruit the equivelent of a Michael or Akermanis to give us that little push from 4th to contender.
Right now Akermanis would be a waste. He'd help us win another 3-4 games for three seasons. BIG DEAL. It is that sort of short-term impatience which demands wins immediately that has cripled our club for two decades.
Instead of looking for a HFF to win 3 extra games next year, lets try to find the midfielder that will help Polo, Deledio, Coughlan, Tuck and Tambling win 16 games in 2010.
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Man you dont get it do you? It wasnt the plan that was at fault, it was who was pointing the finger as to who was wanted at the club that was.
I bet you if it were TW instead of Spud and Gm instead of dip stick Beck, we might have had a little bit more success with who the recycled player we picked up was, if we picked him up, and if it were more adavantageous, for the tigers immediate requirements to not take a recycled and draft a kid, because the kid offered more to our immediate plans, i.e. sharp HF, with skills that no one knew what his game was.
What has crippled our club for years is the wrong people were in the wrong places for us, i.e good honest, guys that wore their heart on their sleeves etc etc and all that BS that gets you what we have had. You need sharp minds at the helm that manipulate every nook and cranny of the rule book, to get that extra advantage. i.e. the rule says you cant do "this", this way, so you dont do "this" this way, you do "this", in a another way, that the rule book doesnt state. That is why Sheeds has been so dominant for so long, he did it when he played and he does it as a coach.
Because if it were say now, and TW had just coached us to a couple of finals games, Aker would be 100% in yellow and black, next season.
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Man you dont get it do you? It wasnt the plan that was at fault, it was who was pointing the finger as to who was wanted at the club that was.
I bet you if it were TW instead of Spud and Gm instead of dip stick Beck, we might have had a little bit more success with who the recycled player we picked up was, if we picked him up, and if it were more adavantageous, for the tigers immediate requirements to not take a recycled and draft a kid, because the kid offered more to our immediate plans, i.e. sharp HF, with skills that no one knew what his game was.
What has crippled our club for years is the wrong people were in the wrong places for us, i.e good honest, guys that wore their heart on their sleeves etc etc and all that BS that gets you what we have had. You need sharp minds at the helm that manipulate every nook and cranny of the rule book, to get that extra advantage. i.e. the rule says you cant do "this", this way, so you dont do "this" this way, you do "this", in a another way, that the rule book doesnt state. That is why Sheeds has been so dominant for so long, he did it when he played and he does it as a coach.
Because if it were say now, and TW had just coached us to a couple of finals games, Aker would be 100% in yellow and black, next season.
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Which is exactly why the club has been crap. We sneak a couple of finals games and all of a sudden we abandon the planning that has taken us there and instead go out and recruit Hudson or Blumfield or Sziller.
Three years later we are still in the bottom-6 and we have wasted another chance to rebuild all because some feral supporters aren't prepared to do the hard yards.
CoggaRules said:Because if it were say now, and TW had just coached us to a couple of finals games, Aker would be 100% in yellow and black, next season.
Which is exactly why the club has been crap. We sneak a couple of finals games and all of a sudden we abandon the planning that has taken us there and instead go out and recruit Hudson or Blumfield or Sziller.
Three years later we are still in the bottom-6 and we have wasted another chance to rebuild all because some feral supporters aren't prepared to do the hard yards.
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again you miss the point, we didnt, Spud and Beck did. One is tutoring truck drivers and the other is selling software, because they pointed to Huddo, Bumfelt, Sizzler, King and Hoolahoop. 3 years later we are in the bottom 6 because of those picks, not because we went for recycleds, its the recycled we went for, that is the problem.
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again you miss the point, we didnt, Spud and Beck did. One is tutoring truck drivers and the other is selling software, because they pointed to Huddo, Bumfelt, Sizzler, King and Hoolahoop. 3 years later we are in the bottom 6 because of those picks, not because we went for recycleds, its the recycled we went for, that is the problem.
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Simmonds, Brown and P. Bowden are all recycled players. This has really caused us some headaches. Especially when we make one our captain.
Simmonds, Brown and P. Bowden are all recycled players. This has really caused us some headaches. Especially when we make one our captain.
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Can we include David Clokes' second stint as well?
Can we include David Clokes' second stint as well?
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Every other team has woken up to the fact that you need a core group of young kids coming through, except for us. Just rename Richmond "Pensioners Paradise"
But how many premierships did we win with them? Zero.CoggaRules said:so were Bond, Broderick, Gale & Cameron werent they?
Every other team has woken up to the fact that you need a core group of young kids coming through, except for us. Just rename Richmond "Pensioners Paradise"
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Sydney took Hall, pensioner or premiership player?
Sydney took Hall, pensioner or premiership player?
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They also took Plugger. Premiership player?
There are no guarantees whether you pick up a kid or a superstar. But it makes more sense when you've at least got the fabric of a team that's got a chance at winning a flag that you might take a gamble and pick up an Aker, Hall, whoever. Do you realistically think we're going to be in that position next year or the one after?
PS: Was Barry 30 when he went to the Swans?
There are no guarantees whether you pick up a kid or a superstar. But it makes more sense when you've at least got the fabric of a team that's got a chance at winning a flag that you might take a gamble and pick up an Aker, Hall, whoever. Do you realistically think we're going to be in that position next year or the one after?
PS: Was Barry 30 when he went to the Swans?
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Hall was 25 when he debuted for Sydney. He was recruited as a guy you could build a team around for 7 years. Similar to us recruiting Simmonds.
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Hall was 25 when he debuted for Sydney. He was recruited as a guy you could build a team around for 7 years. Similar to us recruiting Simmonds.
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and Brown and Bowden. Why not top it off with Aker? The premiership will not come in Akers time at the club, probably not Simmonds and Brown either. Why not use what he has to offer to develop the kids who will be there on Grand Final day. It's not reinventing the wheel, just carrying an extra spare over a long journey.
and Brown and Bowden. Why not top it off with Aker? The premiership will not come in Akers time at the club, probably not Simmonds and Brown either. Why not use what he has to offer to develop the kids who will be there on Grand Final day. It's not reinventing the wheel, just carrying an extra spare over a long journey.
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Of course, we didnt get Plugger, like we now let the big fish get away again, Fev. We had the opportunity and again we stuffed it. 24 yold who had a fall out with his club, wanting to refresh his career at another club and we let it go. As if we couldnt handle 70+ more goals a year huh? naaaa, why go for something like that? we have our own sharpshooters., like P. Bowden who offer us "another dimension" LMAO, how ridiuculous.
froars said:But how many premierships did we win with them? Zero.
Every other team has woken up to the fact that you need a core group of young kids coming through, except for us. Just rename Richmond "Pensioners Paradise"
Of course, we didnt get Plugger, like we now let the big fish get away again, Fev. We had the opportunity and again we stuffed it. 24 yold who had a fall out with his club, wanting to refresh his career at another club and we let it go. As if we couldnt handle 70+ more goals a year huh? naaaa, why go for something like that? we have our own sharpshooters., like P. Bowden who offer us "another dimension" LMAO, how ridiuculous.
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A world of difference recruting a veteran to fill a short-term need (such as Cloke in the ruck, Mark Graham, Leon Cameron) while you develop kids - in contrast to recruiting Akermanis into a forward line that already has Brown, Pettifer, Meyer, Deledio, Tambling, Krakouer and P.Bowden in it.
A forward line that needs to give minutes to Pattison, Hughes, McGaune, Limbach.
A forward line that already contains two veterans in Richardson and Brown that approching retirement age.
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A world of difference recruting a veteran to fill a short-term need (such as Cloke in the ruck, Mark Graham, Leon Cameron) while you develop kids - in contrast to recruiting Akermanis into a forward line that already has Brown, Pettifer, Meyer, Deledio, Tambling, Krakouer and P.Bowden in it.
A forward line that needs to give minutes to Pattison, Hughes, McGaune, Limbach.
A forward line that already contains two veterans in Richardson and Brown that approching retirement age.
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I'm just saying there are no guarantees with these players like some people seem to think there are. We didn't get Plugger - i was disappointed at the time. The Swans did, but still they didn't win a premiership with him, as great as he was. Probably a great example of why we shoudn't pick up Aker. If the Swans couldn't with a younger, more prolific player like Plugger, what chance have we got with our ageing and youthful list. We'll be in the same position in three years - no premiership and having another senior player to retire off with nothing coming through like we should have had if we'd recruited wisely.CoggaRules said:Of course, we didnt get Plugger, like we now let the big fish get away again, Fev. We had the opportunity and again we stuffed it. 24 yold who had a fall out with his club, wanting to refresh his career at another club and we let it go. As if we couldnt handle 70+ more goals a year huh? naaaa, why go for something like that? we have our own sharpshooters., like P. Bowden who offer us "another dimension" LMAO, how ridiuculous.
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I see more to Akers value than as another forward.
I see more to Akers value than as another forward.
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Because it comes at the expense of getting the guy who MIGHT actually be there on grand final day.
If we didn't have Brown, Richardson, Gaspar, Kellaway, Johnson then getting Aker might make sense to add some leadership to develop the kids would makes sense. Adding Aker to that mix only increases the problems we are facing over the next 2-3 years of trying to replace so many key players while at the same time trying to improve by adding kids.
It gives us one more veteran to replace in the next 3 drafts.
We are going to have trouble enough building a forward line as it is when Richardson and Brown go. Surely we should be going through that process now, not delaying it another 3 years by adding Aker.
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Because it comes at the expense of getting the guy who MIGHT actually be there on grand final day.
If we didn't have Brown, Richardson, Gaspar, Kellaway, Johnson then getting Aker might make sense to add some leadership to develop the kids would makes sense. Adding Aker to that mix only increases the problems we are facing over the next 2-3 years of trying to replace so many key players while at the same time trying to improve by adding kids.
It gives us one more veteran to replace in the next 3 drafts.
We are going to have trouble enough building a forward line as it is when Richardson and Brown go. Surely we should be going through that process now, not delaying it another 3 years by adding Aker.
