Miller given 24 hours.

[itsintheblood]

This smacks of panic from the opposing ticket. My vote goes to Ridge!!!!


Miller given a
24-hour ultimatum
07 December 2004 Herald Sun
Jon Pierik

THE battle for Punt Rd raged on yesterday when Greg Miller was given a 24-hour deadline to withdraw his nomination for the Richmond board.

And independent candidate Justin Ridge said he would vacate his spot for club legend Rex Hunt provided he wins a seat after the December 22 elections.

Ridge, 35, a chartered accountant and lifelong Tigers supporter, says Hunt has plenty to offer the Tigers.

Hunt had hoped to join the ticket of incumbent president Clinton Casey last month but the plan was scuttled when it was revealed he wasn't even a member of the club.

"This is just another option for Richmond members," Ridge told the Herald Sun.

"If Rex is available, I'll move aside. I've pledged that."

Hunt last night said he had a lot to offer the Tigers, but hoped he wouldn't have to accept Ridge's offer.

"That's a bit like queue-jumping, I hope it doesn't get to that," he told 3AW.

Hunt said he was happy to work with either Casey or rival Charles Macek.

Ridge's offer came as the Macek group delivered a letter by courier to Miller yesterday afternoon, asking the Tigers' director of football to reconsider his decision to join the Casey ticket.

But Miller, who was in Mildura and hadn't seen the letter, last night delivered an emphatic response.

"I made my decision for the right reasons and I've said them all along," Miller said.

"Macek has said that I've let Richmond people down by going with Clinton Casey.

"I thought it would be the opposite. Joining the Clinton Casey board was for the Richmond people, because I feel so strongly about it."

Miller decided last week to align himself with Casey, prompting conflict of interest accusations. If the Macek ticket claims power, it seems almost certain Miller, who started to overhaul the Tigers' football department two years ago, would be lost to the club.

The alternative board is keen to retain his football nous, a desire reinforced by their decision to hand out an "olive branch". "We are asking him in the interests of the Richmond Football Club, first and foremost, to commit to the coach and players and to his plan," Macek said.

"If he withdraws his nomination for the board, which under the constitution you are entitled to do until December 10, we would give him an absolute undertaking that his role is secure."

If the Casey ticket loses, Miller will be out the door.

"We are asking him to do this for the young players he has brought to the club," Macek said. "He can't stay on the board and work in the club. That's untenable, unheard of."

As football director, Miller has to report to chief executive Steve Wright but, if elected on to the board, Miller would have a say in, if necessary, sacking Wright. Wright, in return, would find himself having to report to Miller in his board role.

If elected, Miller, who works closely with new coach Terry Wallace, would also have a vote in determining Wallace's fate.

Ridge, who will release his campaign brochure today, is one of two independents running for a seat on the board.

 

[SaveFeriss]

Panic indeed. Any press guys reading this let it be known, the Macek ticket has no chance, and who the hell do they think they are by demanding (requesting) Miller back down.

Sounds to me like they know they are beaten and scared stiff.

 

[sadira]

Watch this space.

First it's an ultimatum - 24 hours to pull out (probably a Schwab strategy).

By late tomorrow/Thursday, the alternatives will move towards a more personal attack as they try to denigrate Miller and sow doubt in supporters' minds.

By the weekend, you'll see articles in the media that start to critique and pull to shreds each and every action that Miller has taken while at RFC.

 

[goal_umpire]

That is pathetic. Where is Brendan Schwab's patience gone to?

If I were a richmond fan Schwab wouldn't be getting my vote.

 

[tigertime]

How undemocratic is that.

Withdraw your nomination or else.

You could kill yourself laughing at the ridiculousness of it were it not serious.

Macek: "We are very dissapointed with you greg for standing up to us. Stop it.. Stop it at once. Its our election. Please just give me the presidency??? Schwab! I thought you said this was a piece of cake. Stealing candy from a baby.. This is so unfair. Cant they see he is a big bad Mr. Casey. I want my mum". Goes off crying like the overgrown bully that he is.

How sad.

 

[SaveFeriss]

Yep, me thinking they just ensured their own public hanging(suicide).

 

[itsintheblood]

Just posted this on another thread but I had a thought.

What would stop Miller winning a board position and then, knowing he has a conflict, resigning his spot and handing it to Rex after all criteria have been met and resuming his Football Director position.

This would ensure

1. Casey wins the election cause nobody wants to see miller leave.
2. Rex gets on the board.

Win win all around!!!

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

Just posted this on another thread but I had a thought.

What would stop Miller winning a board position and then, knowing he has a conflict, resigning his spot and handing it to Rex after all criteria have been met and resuming his Football Director position.

This would ensure

1. Casey wins the election cause nobody wants to see miller leave.
2. Rex gets on the board.

Win win all around!!!

Greg Miller is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. He still has the spare ace up his sleeve, and when he decides to pull it out, people will realise what a genius this bloke really is.

 

[tigertime]

I was thinking the same thing.. Pretty simple isnt it..

Just posted this on another thread but I had a thought.

What would stop Miller winning a board position and then, knowing he has a conflict, resigning his spot and handing it to Rex after all criteria have been met and resuming his Football Director position.

This would ensure

1. Casey wins the election cause nobody wants to see miller leave.
2. Rex gets on the board.

Win win all around!!!

 

[1980]

Greg Miller is a lot smarter than people give him credit for. He still has the spare ace up his sleeve, and when he decides to pull it out, people will realise what a genius this bloke really is.

He was such a genius that he sent the Roos to the wall financially.

Give me Dennis Pagan, and Miller can go back to the hammerheads

 

[1980]

How undemocratic is that.

Withdraw your nomination or else.

You could kill yourself laughing at the ridiculousness of it were it not serious.

Macek: "We are very dissapointed with you greg for standing up to us. Stop it.. Stop it at once. Its our election. Please just give me the presidency??? Schwab! I thought you said this was a piece of cake. Stealing candy from a baby.. This is so unfair. Cant they see he is a big bad Mr. Casey. I want my mum". Goes off crying like the overgrown bully that he is.

How sad.

He's not the only one that thinks the politicisation of Greg Miller by Casey is bad for the club. And he's not the only one thinking that Greg Miller puts Casey's re-election above his own credibility and position within the club. A lot of supporters are thinking the same thing. Greg Miller was the only one with any credibility until he joined the circus.

Maybe Casey has won the election by putting Miller on his ticket, but Miller has damaged himself in the process, and will not be beyond the criticism we exclusively saved for Danny Frawley.

And that means, even after the election is won and lost, Miller's ability to do the job is diminished.

And that, in addition to your posts on the subject, are what's sad about all this

 

[Rodgerramjet]

He's not the only one that thinks the politicisation of Greg Miller by Casey is bad for the club. And he's not the only one thinking that Greg Miller puts Casey's re-election above his own credibility and position within the club. A lot of supporters are thinking the same thing. Greg Miller was the only one with any credibility until he joined the circus.

The only reason Macek doesn't like the politicisation of Greg Miller is because Miller is on Casey's ticket and not his own.

Miller is not in any way, shape or form putting Casey's re-election above his own credibility and position. You state that alot of supporters are thinking that he is when in actuall fact a small minority at best probably are.

Miller knows what is going on within the club and it's immeadiate environment and knows that the Macek ticket doesn't know enough about the real problems in order to do something effective about them. It is a professional decision and one that he felt he had to make in the best interests of the Richmond football club, that is why he did it and for NO other reason.

Maybe Casey has won the election by putting Miller on his ticket, but Miller has damaged himself in the process, and will not be beyond the criticism we exclusively saved for Danny Frawley.

Miller has not damaged himself at all. You know, if casey gets up and at the end of next year the finances have been turned around (which they will because any fool could follow the current business plan) and the club on feild is progressing nicley, Miller will be still lorded. How and why will the supporters heckle Miller if in fact the club is in good shape. The answer is they wont, so where is the damage? He's only in trouble if the finances go south again, which they wont.

And that means, even after the election is won and lost, Miller's ability to do the job is diminished.

Not so, He will still be doing what he is doing now, It's only a Macek beat up that he wont be able to do both, think about it, the only people sprouting this garbage is the Macek Ticket, why? because it's in there best interests to undermine the Miller push for the board because he is well liked and can pull lots of votes away from Maceks ticket. THATS THE ONLY REASON MACEK IS MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT. When in actual fact it's not of any disastrous conseqence.

And that, in addition to your posts on the subject, are what's sad about all this

There's nothing sad about it at all, it's business as usual.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

He's not the only one that thinks the politicisation of Greg Miller by Casey is bad for the club. And he's not the only one thinking that Greg Miller puts Casey's re-election above his own credibility and position within the club. A lot of supporters are thinking the same thing. Greg Miller was the only one with any credibility until he joined the circus.

Maybe Casey has won the election by putting Miller on his ticket, but Miller has damaged himself in the process, and will not be beyond the criticism we exclusively saved for Danny Frawley.

And that means, even after the election is won and lost, Miller's ability to do the job is diminished

Illogical and irrational garbage if ever there was 1980.
Miller felt he had no alternative but to take a stand at this election. Even you admit Miller may be the only one with any credibility left. In his wisdom he decided that stabilility with Casey is what RFC needs most. Fortunately for RFC he is not a wimp who takes notice of wannabes and ego-trippers.

My question for Macek "is your guarantee of Miller's future security at RFC" as good as your support for Ziggy Switkowski at Telstra? One word from your political masters there and your integrity disappeared completely.

When the Casey, Miller team win this election the best thing Macek and Schwab can do is permanently disappear back into the holes they came out of. As for stating Miller "will not be beyond the criticism we exclusively saved for Danny Frawley", who are you speaking on behalf of? Not for me!

It was the likes of Macek and Schwab who brought Frawley to RFC and very nearly sent us down the gurglar. That is because they know SFA about football. What Miller is prepared to do is risk his career to ensure they never get another chance to ruin the club.

He gets my vote for sheer ability, experience, character and loyalty.

 

[mellowyellow]

Miller ...******** the clock.

Job guarantee fails to influence Miller

By Stephen Rielly
December 7, 2004


An attempt to neutralise Clinton Casey's strongest hope of retaining control of Richmond was short-lived yesterday, with football director and Casey candidate Greg Miller dismissing the offer of protection for his position in the event of election defeat.

Miller described the guarantee of his tenure as head of the Richmond football department, written and posted yesterday by the head of the challenging Big 4 ticket, Charles Macek, as electioneering that did not change his own view of his future if Casey and his team were ousted.

"I've made my future very clear. My future is certain. I know nothing about this letter but the election result will determine whether or not I'm still there," Miller said.

"I haven't seen the letter. I haven't spoken to or met Charles Macek and at this time of year, in these sorts of circumstances, I don't think it's unusual or unexpected for a little electioneering.

"I will say, though, that I was very disappointed to hear him say the other day that I had let Richmond down by agreeing to support Clinton. For me, this is all about Richmond."

Miller's credibility as an astute football mind became central to the looming Tiger election last week when he agreed to join the Richmond president's incumbent ticket.

Macek remained critical of Miller's decision to seek a position on the board and effectively politicise his football role, something he says he will contest if Miller wins a seat at the board table alongside the Big 4 group.

Macek said Miller ought to remain as football director no matter the outcome of the election. "We're giving him absolute certainty, an absolute assurance that we want him in the role of director of football," Macek said.


http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/12/06/1102182224314.html

 

[IDGAF]

Just posted this on another thread but I had a thought.

What would stop Miller winning a board position and then, knowing he has a conflict, resigning his spot and handing it to Rex after all criteria have been met and resuming his Football Director position.

This would ensure

1. Casey wins the election cause nobody wants to see miller leave.
2. Rex gets on the board.

Win win all around!!!

Add to this today , Rex comes out in the media and states that he would be happy to work on any board ...........

Classic good cop, bad cop if ever i have seen it .

Miller plays bad cop , comes in and makes this completely an us and them situation , which will inevitably to the incumbents being re-elected , while rex plays good cop flying the richmond flag , once Casey - Miller are elected , Miller will quietly abdicate for Rex ............ brilliant

This is my best - case scenario .

For all those who will go off about this being under handed , since when has politics been clean ?

 

[1980]

Illogical and irrational garbage if ever there was 1980.
Miller felt he had no alternative but to take a stand at this election. Even you admit Miller may be the only one with any credibility left. In his wisdom he decided that stabilility with Casey is what RFC needs most. Fortunately for RFC he is not a wimp who takes notice of wannabes and ego-trippers.

My question for Macek "is your guarantee of Miller's future security at RFC" as good as your support for Ziggy Switkowski at Telstra? One word from your political masters there and your integrity disappeared completely.

When the Casey, Miller team win this election the best thing Macek and Schwab can do is permanently disappear back into the holes they came out of. As for stating Miller "will not be beyond the criticism we exclusively saved for Danny Frawley", who are you speaking on behalf of? Not for me!

It was the likes of Macek and Schwab who brought Frawley to RFC and very nearly sent us down the gurglar. That is because they know SFA about football. What Miller is prepared to do is risk his career to ensure they never get another chance to ruin the club.

He gets my vote for sheer ability, experience, character and loyalty.

This election was about Clinton Casey and whether based on his record over the past 5 years he is fit to be president of the club.

This election is now about Greg Miller.

He is part of the political circus, and everyone in the circus is a clown.

Casey will win the election, and Miller wont be able to stand at arm's length the way he did with Frawley. Well he's knee deep in this now.

If you cant follow the logic of that, you should think about it a little longer. It will come to you eventually.

 

[1980]

The only reason Macek doesn't like the politicisation of Greg Miller is because Miller is on Casey's ticket and not his own.

Miller is not in any way, shape or form putting Casey's re-election above his own credibility and position. You state that alot of supporters are thinking that he is when in actuall fact a small minority at best probably are.

Miller knows what is going on within the club and it's immeadiate environment and knows that the Macek ticket doesn't know enough about the real problems in order to do something effective about them. It is a professional decision and one that he felt he had to make in the best interests of the Richmond football club, that is why he did it and for NO other reason.

Miller has not damaged himself at all. You know, if casey gets up and at the end of next year the finances have been turned around (which they will because any fool could follow the current business plan) and the club on feild is progressing nicley, Miller will be still lorded. How and why will the supporters heckle Miller if in fact the club is in good shape. The answer is they wont, so where is the damage? He's only in trouble if the finances go south again, which they wont.

Not so, He will still be doing what he is doing now, It's only a Macek beat up that he wont be able to do both, think about it, the only people sprouting this garbage is the Macek Ticket, why? because it's in there best interests to undermine the Miller push for the board because he is well liked and can pull lots of votes away from Maceks ticket. THATS THE ONLY REASON MACEK IS MAKING SUCH A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT. When in actual fact it's not of any disastrous conseqence.

There's nothing sad about it at all, it's business as usual.

This is exactly the sort of crap I've been hearing for 5 years.

Fact of the matter is, you judge the president on his record, not what promises he makes. He's been making promises every year for 5 years and we're $2.3m in the hole, and propping up the rest of the AFL on the league table.

Every bit of drivel I'm hearing now, I heard last season. And the season before. From the president, from the coach and from the club captain.

Preseason I was told we were going to be a top 4 side in 2004. And next year, I'll hear it again.

I dont believe it. I've heard it for 5 years. It didnt change, and it wont.

Getting rid of Frawley is not enough. Casey must go.

 

[Rodgerramjet]

This is exactly the sort of crap I've been hearing for 5 years.

Fact of the matter is, you judge the president on his record, not what promises he makes. He's been making promises every year for 5 years and we're $2.3m in the hole, and propping up the rest of the AFL on the league table.

Every bit of drivel I'm hearing now, I heard last season. And the season before. From the president, from the coach and from the club captain.

Preseason I was told we were going to be a top 4 side in 2004. And next year, I'll hear it again.

I dont believe it. I've heard it for 5 years. It didnt change, and it wont.

Getting rid of Frawley is not enough. Casey must go.

I don't know how you could have heard the above for 5 years when Miller hasn't been at the club for 5 years, Mysterious.

My response was regarding Miller, didn't you read it properly?

I've read a few of your posts 1980 and you seem to me to be like a blind fighter throwing punches and hoping like hell that you land one.

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

This election was about Clinton Casey and whether based on his record over the past 5 years he is fit to be president of the club

Only in your mind 1980...... and in the mind of other delusionists like Pahoff, Schwab and a few fellow travellers floating around in deep space. These space clowns have achieved nothing in AFL and most likely never will.

This election is about RFC and its rightful owners(the members). These owners have been given the chance by Casey to once again decide who should run the club. Obviously it irks the saboteurs(and you 1980?) but this process is called democracy.

Miller has every right to stand at this election. Threats and heavy-handedness will only work in his favour.

Bend over and get ready for a good arse-kicking.

 

[jezza]

How undemocratic is that.

Withdraw your nomination or else.

You could kill yourself laughing at the ridiculousness of it were it not serious.

Macek: "We are very dissapointed with you greg for standing up to us. Stop it.. Stop it at once. Its our election. Please just give me the presidency??? Schwab! I thought you said this was a piece of cake. Stealing candy from a baby.. This is so unfair. Cant they see he is a big bad Mr. Casey. I want my mum". Goes off crying like the overgrown bully that he is.

How sad.

Isn't Miller doing exactly the same thing? Vote for me and Casey or else?

 

[cairo tiger]

you guys do not get it the majority i would rekon want casey out, he has ripped the heart out of this club, unfortunately miller has aligned himself with him and in doing so has made this hugely political and he has an ego....the majority would also want miller to stay but we cannot have the pie and sauce too. In my mind miller should have stayed impartial....and then we vote, we vote, it is called a democracy, from the greek, demos: vote of the people by the people, for the people,lets have the vote and shed the blood

 

[Darth_Tiger]

what is this about? i have been living under a rock for the last few weeks. does miller only have 24 hours to live?!!!!

 

[Jumpin' Jimmy]

Isn't Miller doing exactly the same thing? Vote for me and Casey or else?

No. Miller is giving members a clear choice.
What Macek is demanding is that Miller does not get involved....... something he has no right to demand.

Macek should look in his own mirror before making demands on others. Telstra this week sacked its CEO/MD the moment the lying rodent Howard snapped his fingers. Macek's other major corporate directorship Wesfarmers has 2 executive directors. In other words Macek is simply a hypocrite.

 

[1980]

I don't know how you could have heard the above for 5 years when Miller hasn't been at the club for 5 years, Mysterious.

My response was regarding Miller, didn't you read it properly?

I've read a few of your posts 1980 and you seem to me to be like a blind fighter throwing punches and hoping like hell that you land one.

I'm glad you follow my posts. Stay on board. I'll be picking you off when 30 seconds after the election Casey goes back to running his one man show. Or can you point to anyone on his ticket that is nothing more than a yes man? We'll see how loose my punches are the minute Casey throws out the so called AFL approved plan, or it fails. Either way, a guy that's spent 5 years throwing good money after bad, clocking up losses of $2.3m, hiring CEOs he doesnt even interview, doesnt suddenly figure out in 2 months what he had 5 years to figure out.

And unlike the immediate past 2 club presidents who passed on the baton when they had their time, this one's sticking fat. Not for the good of the club, but for his own personal ego.

 

[1980]

Only in your mind 1980...... and in the mind of other delusionists like Pahoff, Schwab and a few fellow travellers floating around in deep space. These space clowns have achieved nothing in AFL and most likely never will.

This election is about RFC and its rightful owners(the members). These owners have been given the chance by Casey to once again decide who should run the club. Obviously it irks the saboteurs(and you 1980?) but this process is called democracy.

Miller has every right to stand at this election. Threats and heavy-handedness will only work in his favour.

Bend over and get ready for a good arse-kicking.

The alternative did not put up a challenge to oust Greg Miller. They formed to put up a challenge to the way Clinton Casey was running the club. That's why we are having an election. If Greg Miller wants to get involved, for the sole purpose of helping Casey win the election, then its an error in judgement as it compromises his position as a paid employee of the RFC.

If anyone is entitled to run for the board, it is the CEO Steven Wright. He is not because he does not help Casey win the election. Miller does.

So we have a wonderful situation where Miller reports to Wright operationally, and Wright reports to Miller as the director on the board looking after footy matters. And you think that works well?

I'll be happy to bend over and taking the ars kicking. And in turn, with the mess they've created just to win the election, it will be the clubs turn to bend over when they try to make this nonsense work. And with a wooden spoon already in the bag, I'm keen to see if it is physically possible to bend any further from the position Clinton Casey has put the RFC in.

By putting Miller on the ticket just to win the election, they've created a bigger mess for themselves. Won the battle to lose the war. We'll see who comes to save the club in 2 years when Casey walks away, Wallace does to us what he did to the Dogs, doggy style, and Miller does to the RFC financially what he did to the Roos.