Miller

[tugga]

I'll be glass is half full on this one. So l am agreeable to this move.

Whilst l'm ok with us picking him up as a mature aged rookie, l will be pissed if come the rookie draft he is the first rookie called out.

Too many good young kids that slip through the draft and l think we should be using our first 2 selections on kids that could be an Axel - not mature aged players.

I like the comparison to Leigh Brown, but we're in a very different stage to the Pies and for all the pissing in Leroys pockets, the bloke is still a filthy dud.

It grates on me that he is a premiership player.

Wal, he'll be the last name called out. Hence being taken as a mature age rookie.

 

[docko911]

That's incorrect. Each club is entitled to 8 rookies. Two of those are allowed to be used on mature rookies but you can have all 8 as young rookies if you wish.

If that is the case i would much rather we brought back cleve hughes to the club as a rookie. Just kicked 74 in the QAFL and IMO would've developed into something if it weren't for the Polak incident. Besides we are suggesting picking up a 27yo old hack just for support why not pick up a 23yo hack who at least has a small chance of becoming something.

.....or we could just pick up a forward who gets delisted who is 21-24...maybe beau dowler (if delisted).....or we could go for a rookie from a state league who is 21-24.

Why are we going after Miller?

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

Why are we going after Miller?

He's there as a playing coach, moving into a coaching role in a couple years.

We pay him next to nothing as a rookie.
He does NOT take up a spot on the main list.
He teaches the youngsters at Coburg the ropes, provides a strong forward structure for both Coburg and the youngsters to play and learn around, currently this isn't there meaning you play Coburg, you play without a tall forward which is pointless for learning structure. This way he can build a rapport with the boys, instruct them while playing because he's a bit too young to retire and, if his audition goes well, coach after.

Win Win Win

 

[docko911]

He's there as a playing coach, moving into a coaching role in a couple years.

We pay him next to nothing as a rookie.
He does NOT take up a spot on the main list.
He teaches the youngsters at Coburg the ropes, provides a strong forward structure for both Coburg and the youngsters to play and learn around, currently this isn't there meaning you play Coburg, you play without a tall forward which is pointless for learning structure. This way he can build a rapport with the boys, instruct them while playing because he's a bit too young to retire and, if his audition goes well, coach after.

Win Win Win

Loss Loss Loss....he's shit!

Please feel free to advise of some talent i have overlooked but as far as im concerned he was no good at either end of the ground and when someone better came along he got replaced.

So why would we want him as a player or coach?

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

Please feel free to advise of some talent i have overlooked but as far as im concerned he was no good at either end of the ground and when someone better came along he got replaced.

So why would we want him as a player or coach?

By many, many accounts a great leader, also dominates VFl, as a mature rookie, as has been stated for the 1000th time, he does not take a spot on the main list, so he's not playing seniors and not denying a kid a game. All clubs can select two mature rookies as of next year, this means we can only select mature players with those two, feel free to suggest two mature players, VFL or delisted etc. you'd prefer, the key here is we don't want mature players* and any we get, even lower age, are going to be average at best and we'll just waste time elevating them at the expense of Hicks, O'Rielly etc.

This way, Miller plays VFL, dominates in VFL, instructs the boys playing VFL such as Griffiths, Westhoff, Post, Vickery as well as the smalls in general in both structure and positive team culture like a coach and further mentors Riewoldt etc. in attitude and training mentality while training with the boys.

*Craig Cameron himself in the video just posted up says our target age bracket is 20-23 for any trades. Mature list rookies are 23 and above IIRC, so you have to find me two better options with those restrictions. Cheers, good luck

 

[docko911]

By many, many accounts a great leader, also dominates VFl, as a mature rookie, as has been stated for the 1000th time, he does not take a spot on the main list, so he's not playing seniors and not denying a kid a game. All clubs can select two mature rookies as of next year, this means we can only select mature players with those two, feel free to suggest two mature players, VFL or delisted etc. you'd prefer, the key here is we don't want mature players* and any we get, even lower age, are going to be average at best and we'll just waste time elevating them at the expense of Hicks, O'Rielly etc.

This way, Miller plays VFL, dominates in VFL, instructs the boys playing VFL such as Griffiths, Westhoff, Post, Vickery as well as the smalls in general in both structure and positive team culture like a coach and further mentors Riewoldt etc. in attitude and training mentality while training with the boys.

*Craig Cameron himself in the video just posted up says our target age bracket is 20-23 for any trades. Mature list rookies are 23 and above IIRC, so you have to find me two better options with those restrictions. Cheers, good luck

So what's wrong with two 23yo's? Or what's wrong with griff, westhoff, post or vickery dominating in VFL?

Why do we need Miller to dominate in VFL? What does that achieve?

List clogging. Polak was doing the same thing this year playing important roles in VFL others should've been playing. And there is a very good chance miller will play senior football if rookie listed. So then a young player misses out on a game for a no future player.

If he was an insightful leader why did Melbourne delist him? maybe because he's not. As for coaching i think you'd find Riewoldt would end up teaching Miller a thing or two.

We should grab the best 2 23-24yo's we can find. As has been stated for the 1000th time, they do not take a spot on the main list, so they don't play senior games and don't deny a kid a game. Thus if they achieve nothing it doesn't matter but if they achieve something they are not a waste of space because they will still have at least 5 years left.

 

[Goldust]

If that is the case i would much rather we brought back cleve hughes to the club as a rookie. Just kicked 74 in the QAFL and IMO would've developed into something if it weren't for the Polak incident. Besides we are suggesting picking up a 27yo old hack just for support why not pick up a 23yo hack who at least has a small chance of becoming something.

.....or we could just pick up a forward who gets delisted who is 21-24...maybe beau dowler (if delisted).....or we could go for a rookie from a state league who is 21-24.

Why are we going after Miller?

FFS ... Miller is about five games on from kicking 10 goals in a game at VFL level, which is about two or three rungs above that QAFL grabage.
When did Cleve Hughes ever kick 10 in a game for the Tigers???
Hang on, when did Cleve ever get 10 kicks for Coburg???
Sadly, Hughes will never be able to tie Miller's bootlaces as a footballer!!!
To answer your question why, as repeated by many on here, he is coming to aid the development of our forwards, won't be taking a spot on the main list and costs us bugger all ... and he is insurance when the inevitable happens and Griffiths goes down injured and Post and Vickery are inconsistent!!!
Bring back Cleve Hughes

 

[CoggaRules]

I'll be glass is half full on this one. So l am agreeable to this move.

Whilst l'm ok with us picking him up as a mature aged rookie, l will be pissed if come the rookie draft he is the first rookie called out.

Too many good young kids that slip through the draft and l think we should be using our first 2 selections on kids that could be an Axel - not mature aged players.

I like the comparison to Leigh Brown, but we're in a very different stage to the Pies and for all the pissing in Leroys pockets, the bloke is still a filthy dud.

It grates on me that he is a premiership player.

Understand where you are coming from man but IMO its like this:
When the pies gave him his chance, there was no way ****ing known that Leroy was part of this grand plan that stated, "we need Leroy to win a flag". It was a throw of the dice by them, to fill a requirement at the time and low and behold he just happened to stick around for the party.
As for where we are at and where the pies were at when the gave Leroy a life line, in reality its not that much different in terms of the playing list's age and the need for a big mature body to protect them and to offer some kind of strength, so the youngsters can run their arses off without being crunched week in week out.
Miller is the same throw of the dice, he is a totally similar player, in that he provides strength and mongrel and some kind of talent. He can take a mark and he can kick a goal and he can offer a target. When we need him to fill a gap, he will be elevated, if that comes to pass, then we will see if he sticks around for the party. Anything can happen, what is a fact is that we are taking a punt that if it doesnt pay off will not cost us as others have in the past.

 

[tugga]

Malthouse's first words to Brown after he drafted him, were 'You're too unfit and too fat. Do something about it.'
He did.
The rest is history.

 

[Tomnat Tigers]

Hey guys did miller play more at chf than full forward?

Also i dont mind if he takes games from griffiths but not post as post needs some massive improvement other wise i can see him being traded next year.

 

[brjafi]

By many, many accounts a great leader, also dominates VFl, as a mature rookie, as has been stated for the 1000th time, he does not take a spot on the main list, so he's not playing seniors and not denying a kid a game. All clubs can select two mature rookies as of next year, this means we can only select mature players with those two, feel free to suggest two mature players, VFL or delisted etc. you'd prefer, the key here is we don't want mature players* and any we get, even lower age, are going to be average at best and we'll just waste time elevating them at the expense of Hicks, O'Rielly etc.

This way, Miller plays VFL, dominates in VFL, instructs the boys playing VFL such as Griffiths, Westhoff, Post, Vickery as well as the smalls in general in both structure and positive team culture like a coach and further mentors Riewoldt etc. in attitude and training mentality while training with the boys.

*Craig Cameron himself in the video just posted up says our target age bracket is 20-23 for any trades. Mature list rookies are 23 and above IIRC, so you have to find me two better options with those restrictions. Cheers, good luck

everything you said about miller is wrong, so he plays only in VFL and is a mentor for jack but wont play at a game in AFL but will coach from VFL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL whatever

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

everything you said about miller is wrong, so he plays only in VFL and is a mentor for jack but wont play at a game in AFL but will coach from VFL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL whatever

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-damian-hardwick/story-e6frg7mf-1225933015173

Recruited to Melbourne from Queensland by Craig Cameron, who is now the Tigers' general manager of football operations, Miller is also viewed at Punt Road as a future coach.


"Brad is a fantastic individual who should add great leadership qualities to our group," Cameron said. "He fully understands the role we have planned for him at Richmond, so we're hoping he'll come to us through the system."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103593/default.aspx

The Australian reports that Miller has been invited to join the Tigers in a mentoring role for Jack Riewoldt and the injured Ben Griffiths.

Come again?

 

[doddy87]

Brad Miller? are we serious?

This will be Kent Kingsley MK11
Do any of you guys seriously want this hack? Good VFL player at best... dont give me the "if reiwoldt goes down etc" bullshit id rather shane edwards steaming out of the square than this hack

 

[MightyTiger]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Why do people find the need to make a new thread about something that has been spoken about a million times.

Mature age Rookie

Cost = 0

Nothing more then insurance, merely just there to mentor the kids at VFL level assist the young bodies with a chop out and after his career is finished he will get a coaching gig (most likely with us).

 

[tiggywigs]

Give up guys. Just like some people don't get algebra, others don't understand list management. And what people don't understand, they generally hate...

 

[Barnzy]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Why do people find the need to make a new thread about something that has been spoken about a million times.

Mature age Rookie

Cost = 0

Actually it comes at the cost of a new kid being drafted to the RFC given he's on the Rookie List and takes up a spot.

 

[tugga]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Actually it comes at the cost of a new kid being drafted to the RFC given he's on the Rookie List and takes up a spot.

pretty certain a KID can't go onto the MATURE rookie list, unless his name is Benjamin Button.

 

[Barnzy]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

pretty certain a KID can't go onto the MATURE rookie list, unless his name is Benjamin Button.

There is no such thing as a "mature rookie list' Tugga.

You can have a couple of mature age rookies but they go onto the Rookie List and take a spot.

 

[tugga]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

There is no such thing as a "mature rookie list' Tugga.

You can have a couple of mature age rookies but they go onto the Rookie List and take a spot.

Fair enouh mate. Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to use my Benjamin Button line.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Actually it comes at the cost of a new kid being drafted to the RFC given he's on the Rookie List and takes up a spot.

Ok, so nett cost = 0.

Given that chances are we will have a rookie this year who will not see the senior list, ever. And the presence of Miller according to the footy dept will far out weigh that of a non-playing rookie.

Let's not be too anal. I know plenty of rookies have turned into good players and all that, but as a percentage, its pretty low. Just think of guys like Cousins and Miller as the scaffolding used to sure up the building of our new team

 

[Barnzy]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Ok, so nett cost = 0.

Given that chances are we will have a rookie this year who will not see the senior list, ever. And the presence of Miller according to the footy dept will far out weigh that of a non-playing rookie.

Let's not be too anal. I know plenty of rookies have turned into good players and all that, but as a percentage, its pretty low. Just think of guys like Cousins and Miller as the scaffolding used to sure up the building of our new team

No sorry, I won't support this decision no matter how anyone tries to spin it. Don't want him at Richmond whether it's on the senior list or rookie List. We should be using all avenues possible to get the best talent possible especially with the GC/GWS concessions. Also, you're right, plenty of rookies have gone on and turned into good players. 5 in Collingwood's GF team alone if I'm not mistaken.

No matter the odds, wasting a spot on him does not sit well with me just like how I didn't support Polak being re-drafted to play the same exact role. If he comes in as a coach onto the coaching panel? I'd have no problem with that.

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Fair enouh mate. Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to use my Benjamin Button line.

the big question is if he is a ruckman. From all the posts in the tiger BF forum, i have a sneaky suspicion that Griggs...ooops, Grigg isnt. So we might do ourselves a favour by getting Buttons in as one, of course that is if he is one.

 

[Punt_Road_Roar]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Fair enouh mate. Thanks for clarifying. I just wanted to use my Benjamin Button line.

Richo ???? He's had a year off footy, his body should be right to go another 10 years now.

 

[_RT_]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

There is no such thing as a "mature rookie list' Tugga.

You can have a couple of mature age rookies but they go onto the Rookie List and take a spot.

Can you tell me how many players taken in the 4th round or later of the rookie draft have gone on to become premiership players?

As that is the likely area that Miller will end up being taken. Miller coming in for a year or 2 as an mature aged insurance policy is smart list management. It protects our younger players from having to carry the load in the event that Jack goes down and if he does play alongside Jack he provides a bigger body that can take a bit of heat off of Jack. Not sure why anyone would be against having that sort of insurance around for the cost of a 4th round or later rookie pick. Especially when we're likely to bring in upto 10 kids beforehand.

 

[Bazzar]

Re: Brad Miller? are we serious?

Miller coming in for a year or 2 as an mature aged insurance policy is smart list management. It protects our younger players from having to carry the load in the event that Jack goes down and if he does play alongside Jack he provides a bigger body that can take a bit of heat off of Jack. Not sure why anyone would be against having that sort of insurance around for the cost of a 4th round or later rookie pick. Especially when we're likely to bring in upto 10 kids beforehand.

And as Cameron pointed out on SEN, he also has coaching aspirations, and will be used in a mentor type role and possible future assistant. It sounds like he has a very smart footy brain. He will be a good get for our young list.