Miller

[brett15]

Re: Brad Miller has been training with us?

Mission Accomplished

 

[Ando_4]

This is ridiculous.

 

[Chops18]

People forget that its hard for a forward playing in a wooden spoon team!.

I mean you have your superstars like Pavlich & Richo who could kick goals in any team however for an average forward, you are going to struggle when you have few inside 50's and are on the end of poor disposal.

People crapped on about how bad Schulz was, but forget he was playing in a dismal side, when he started getting some decent disposal at Port Adelaide well he has started kicking a few (what a suprise).

Likewise with Miller, not the best player in the world, but can take a grab, has a big body and is a fair kick. Also played down back a bit as well so games v goal tallys aren't a complete measure. But main point is has played in a spud side for most of his career.

Considering he won a B&F in the VFL shows he has talent.

In an improving Tigers side what great insurance!.

Best case we pick the next Podsiadly

Middle ground we give our developing forwards a bit of support and have some insurance

Worst case we have a great trainer and football brain around the young guys at the expense of a rookie pick in a very young team.

Very happy with the move, but then again I have complete confidence in Hardwick and his plan for the RFC.

Bring it on!

Spot on mate . At first i was skeptical at us chasing him but when i thought about it it's a great move. We now have another player with experience but also have a player that can help Jack up front as another target or a player who can go down back and hold down a position there. Miller is a decent player just playing in a spud team as you said.

Haven't read through all the posts in this thread but no doubt Miller being a Tiger is not pleasing alot of people because he is not another 21 year old thats stands at 4 foot 1 and 21 kg.

 

[astro_toby]

don;t see what the big deal is

He is costing us nothing, he is not even on our seniors list, he will provide important big bodied back up if Jack, Griff, Post or Vicks go down - and he will provide excellent leadership and team morale - as he is a renowned club man.

..At worsr - coburg get a bonafide AFL player who can play ( and showed he can dominate) at that level, who will provide much needed experience & structure to our development side.

Its a great pick up in my eye's - definitely a big upgrade on Polly

 

[courtjester]

I always thought he was a pretty decent player for Melbourne, covered a lot of ground, good mark and good decisions. Could play CHF or CHB. Not the greatest around, but far from the worst.

 

[santa claws]

People forget that its hard for a forward playing in a wooden spoon team!.

I mean you have your superstars like Pavlich & Richo who could kick goals in any team however for an average forward, you are going to struggle when you have few inside 50's and are on the end of poor disposal.

People crapped on about how bad Schulz was, but forget he was playing in a dismal side, when he started getting some decent disposal at Port Adelaide well he has started kicking a few (what a suprise).

Likewise with Miller, not the best player in the world, but can take a grab, has a big body and is a fair kick. Also played down back a bit as well so games v goal tallys aren't a complete measure. But main point is has played in a spud side for most of his career.

Considering he won a B&F in the VFL shows he has talent.

In an improving Tigers side what great insurance!.

Best case we pick the next Podsiadly

Middle ground we give our developing forwards a bit of support and have some insurance

Worst case we have a great trainer and football brain around the young guys at the expense of a rookie pick in a very young team.

Very happy with the move, but then again I have complete confidence in Hardwick and his plan for the RFC.

Bring it on!

nice post well said.
would add. cheap as chips. and what an improvement in the processes and the way we have gone about things.

in the not so distant past we have traded out of very valuable picks to get players like miller. look at what we did this yr. miller pick 22222222. grigg player for player trade, houli psd and we actually traded tambling for reasonable picks. all this while we kept picks 6 29 46 and gained a pick in the 30s and pick 50.

finally to finish i just have to say it but boy bradshaw would be looking good right now in a tiger jumper.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

nice post well said.
would add. cheap as chips. and what an improvement in the processes and the way we have gone about things.

in the not so distant past we have traded out of very valuable picks to get players like miller. look at what we did this yr. miller pick 22222222. grigg player for player trade, houli psd and we actually traded tambling for reasonable picks. all this while we kept picks 6 29 46 and gained a pick in the 30s and pick 50.

finally to finish i just have to say it but boy bradshaw would be looking good right now in a tiger jumper.

Bradshaw would have cost the farm besides he has spent more time on the treatment table than the field.

All very well in theory however even Tony Lockett in his prime is useless when he can not play due to injury...

 

[TJTIGER]

nice post well said.

would add. cheap as chips. and what an improvement in the processes and the way we have gone about things.

in the not so distant past we have traded out of very valuable picks to get players like miller. look at what we did this yr. miller pick 22222222. grigg player for player trade, houli psd and we actually traded tambling for reasonable picks. all this while we kept picks 6 29 46 and gained a pick in the 30s and pick 50.

finally to finish i just have to say it but boy bradshaw would be looking good right now in a tiger jumper.

Agree with the highlighted parts Santa, spot on!! Things did'nt go all that well for bradshaw at the swannies this yr

 

[santa claws]

Bradshaw would have cost the farm besides he has spent more time on the treatment table than the field.

All very well in theory however even Tony Lockett in his prime is useless when he can not play due to injury...

the farm atm we can afford 10 farms. anyway since when is a consistent 50 60 plus goalkicker not worth 500k.
we kept polak where did that get us we now take miller to play minimal games what cost quality.
if it was okay to take cuz it was certainly okay to take bradshaw.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

the farm atm we can afford 10 farms. anyway since when is a consistent 50 60 plus goalkicker not worth 500k.
we kept polak where did that get us we now take miller to play minimal games what cost quality.
if it was okay to take cuz it was certainly okay to take bradshaw.

We may have been able to fit 10 farms into the salary cap, but not sure how comfortable we'd have been actually forking out that much $$ last year. I believe we are paying at the minimum end of the cap for two reasons.

1) Obviously we don't have enough quality to justify paying more, and to keep room for salary rises (eg. Dusty, JR, etc)
2) Our financial status commands that we don't spend more than we have to for now.

 

[Mr Budda Bing]

Forget Brad, he might be alright but Pia Miller is now on the Richmond bandwagon. Richmond have the hottest female supporters

 

[_RT_]

the farm atm we can afford 10 farms. anyway since when is a consistent 50 60 plus goalkicker not worth 500k.
we kept polak where did that get us we now take miller to play minimal games what cost quality.
if it was okay to take cuz it was certainly okay to take bradshaw.

The first problem is Bradshaw didn't cost $500k and didn't kick 50-60 goals last year. If ths figures in the media are correct he cost between $800-1mil for about 9 games and 28 goals, thats $88,000 a game or $28,000 a goal.

Second problem is Bradshaw is on a 3 year deal, Miller will be on a 1 year rookie deal, if he gets injured or doesn't perform we can simply delist him at seasons end. On the other hand, if we had Bradshaw and he spent another 2/3 of the season sitting in the medical room we'd still be stuck with him for another 12 months or would face a rather hefty payout.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

The first problem is Bradshaw didn't cost $500k and didn't kick 50-60 goals last year. If ths figures in the media are correct he cost between $800-1mil for about 9 games and 28 goals, thats $88,000 a game or $28,000 a goal.

Second problem is Bradshaw is on a 3 year deal, Miller will be on a 1 year rookie deal, if he gets injured or doesn't perform we can simply delist him at seasons end. On the other hand, if we had Bradshaw and he spent another 2/3 of the season sitting in the medical room we'd still be stuck with him for another 12 months or would face a rather hefty payout.

Not per season, surely! I'd imagine that 800K-1Mil would be for the full contract, maybe front loaded to 500K for first year or something.

 

[THE_GUN]

Bradshaw wasnt for us & we all knew that, no where near ready to take players like bradshaw.

Miller certainly looks good on the track & his squeeze is certainly good eye candy but i hope we are not relying on him to bolster our playing list, we should be pumping games into players like
Griffiths,Astbury,Post,Gourdis,Vickery,Taylor,Rance,Grimes,Westhoff,Browne
all before miller.

The Richmond Football Club shouldnt be about how many games we win or lose this year it should be primarily getting the above mentioned kids to 50 games ASAP.

 

[Googstar]

Bradshaw wasnt for us & we all knew that, no where near ready to take players like bradshaw.

Miller certainly looks good on the track & his squeeze is certainly good eye candy but i hope we are not relying on him to bolster our playing list, we should be pumping games into players like
Griffiths,Astbury,Post,Gourdis,Vickery,Taylor,Rance,Grimes,Westhoff,Browne
all before miller.

The Richmond Football Club shouldnt be about how many games we win or lose this year it should be primarily getting the above mentioned kids to 50 games ASAP.

Agreed Gun. It's all about winning flags. Our best chance to win one is to get our kids playing regular AFL as soon as possible.

 

[_RT_]

Not per season, surely! I'd imagine that 800K-1Mil would be for the full contract, maybe front loaded to 500K for first year or something.

You're right, forgive my early morning absent mindedness.

 

[santa claws]

The first problem is Bradshaw didn't cost $500k and didn't kick 50-60 goals last year. If ths figures in the media are correct he cost between $800-1mil for about 9 games and 28 goals, thats $88,000 a game or $28,000 a goal.

Second problem is Bradshaw is on a 3 year deal, Miller will be on a 1 year rookie deal, if he gets injured or doesn't perform we can simply delist him at seasons end. On the other hand, if we had Bradshaw and he spent another 2/3 of the season sitting in the medical room we'd still be stuck with him for another 12 months or would face a rather hefty payout.

pppffftt bradshaw is on a three yr deal worth 1 mil. his first yr was front loaded.
what really annoys is people carry on as though he has been perenially injured.
he has only missed significant games thru injury for 3 seasons.

he played 16 games in 98 and then did his knee missing the remainder of the season and all of 99.
he then did his knee 07 missing the season.

the third yr was this yr only playing 9 games due more to wear and tear than anything major.
still in 9 games in 2010 and obviously not fully right he kicked 28 goals.
his last 5 yrs including 07 didnt play a game and last yr 9 games he has averaged 44 goals a season.

1 hes not been injury prone, 2 hes shown apart from 2 serious injuries hes been very durable. 3 over the length of his career 14 yrs given hes had brown and lynch to contend with and the fact he has played significant periods down back he has proved to be a fantastic reliable goal kicking forward and defender.

in a way syd stole him 1 mil over 3 yrs for such a good player is about as cheap as it gets.regardless of his age.

i dont know his contract details but sydney would be abject idiots not to have a pay out clause due to serious injury. when dealing with 30 +yr olds what club wouldnt.

i still maintain we should have gone hard for bradshaw when richo retired.
it left the list totally devoid of an experienced quality key forward. we have tried to cover for the expeienced bit by keeping polak and now getting miller but we sure as hell have not addressed the quality side of it.

the simple facts are 3 yrs would have been ideal. for sure and certain many of the kids most put forward to regularly play and play kp at that are simply not ready and need to be eased into afl not left to flounder and probably drown in the deep end.