Milne charged

[Nutsngum]

If people like I'm happy to explain some of this more, I've tried to keep it as layman as possible and it's not strictly speaking accurate for having cut some corners to simplify it, but at it's most basic the proposition is:
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Please do, actually understanding the legalise would be really helpful for people in here.

Noting the stance that StKilda took on Andrew Lovett, it would appear that Milne would be sacked regardless wouldnt he?

The difference really is that Lovett never played for the club so there wasnt any club loyalty there. Still, i didnt agree with his sacking and I wouldnt agree with Milne's untill the trial is over.. if there even is one.

Not at all. They have claimed there was a "partner swap". Supposedly one of the 4 people in the house says she didn't intend to be a swinger (thought she was with Montagna instead of Milne).

Ah okay, my mistake then.

 

[Squizz]

Hope the mods can keep this thread clear of trolls. Reckon this should be Saints only thread.

Shouldn't be much different to any other thread (except game discussions between the two opposing teams, and the trade stuff). It's essentially a discussion forum for St Kilda posters.

Shouldn't need a blanket ban, as not everyone is a halfwit (some club do attract more than their fair share though).

If a poster doesn't think (or thinks that they are "clever") they will have a short visit to the board.

 

[tigs2010]

Is also a chance for Milne to prove his innocence too and rid of himself of the innuendo and a lot of the abuse.

 

[Barrels]

Well... This is going to get interesting. Might spur a retirement from the little fella.

 

[hayes]

Don't think this can be compared to Lovett. He stuffed up before that incident and was already on his last chance.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Don't think this can be compared to Lovett. He stuffed up before that incident and was already on his last chance.

Exactly, missed training etc..

 

[The Punter]

I think most St Kilda supporters would be of the view that even if found not guilty in a court of law, nothing will be moved past.

I'm not looking forward to the Carlton away game, considering what it was like last year.

I feel most sorry for us, because we haven't done anything wrong, but have to put up with this regardless of what actually happened.

 

[Strahany]

I doubt Milne will get sacked like Lovett.

Lovett came to the club completely unfit, overweight, and with a terrible attitude; the charges just happened to be the final straw. I daresay he would have been sacked sooner, had he not cost us so much via trade.

Plus the impact such a disruption would've had on a club pushing for a flag is much worse than the impact it may have on our current situation, coupled with the fact that Lovett was 'the new guy', so wouldn't have had too much support from his team mates, unlike Milne.

 

[Squizz]

Noting the stance that StKilda took on Andrew Lovett, it would appear that Milne would be sacked regardless wouldnt he?

I understand the innocent until found guilty thing, but pretty sure that didnt help Lovett at the time and the Saints may have set a precendence they really wished they hadnt now.

Certainly difficult situation for all including the alledged victim, but surely Joey Montagna must be nervous also about being dragged in front of the courts.

Terrible news

Terrible analogy!

Lovett had assaulted his partner, and then breached an intervention order - prior to coming to the club.

He arrived at pre-season training in poor condition.

He then acted inappropriately (if not illegally) with someone who - from evidence given - wasn't able to stand up due to drunkenness.

St Kilda supported Jason Gram initially, but there were repeated behavior problems (like Lovett) which warranted further action.

 

[Brucie Buffer]

Okay **** it. Before this gets out of hand, I'll offer some preliminary insight:

The internal review leading to charges throws out a whole lot of collateral questions, much of which will be at issue if the matter proceeds, basically the voir dire would be a procedural cluster****. You'd imagine evidence would need to be lead from three sets of coppers minimum, including coppers giving evidence against one another, before anything could be found admissible; the RoI's being stolen, for an abuse of process argument to fall down, to my mind, contamination of the evidence on some level must have occurred. Once contamination is proven, then the problem for the prosecution would be in turning around an arguing that the same evidence is now reliable: the exact extent of any such contamination must be proved down to a tee and fit in a very narrow ambit.

If people like I'm happy to explain some of this more, I've tried to keep it as layman as possible and it's not strictly speaking accurate for having cut some corners to simplify it, but at it's most basic the proposition is:

1. Is the evidence reliable? -> the OPI inquiry would suggest No
2. Is a conviction possible in the absence of that evidence -> Oath on oath, yes but unlikely due to the prosecutorial burden
3. Is Milne able to properly test the allegations on the basis of the corrupted evidence? -> probably not.

And then, of course, the usual rigours of trying a major indictable..

Not sure how accurate, but Daniel Harford mentioned that new evidence not yet presented in the past had come to light.

 

[L_W_P]

Noting the stance that StKilda took on Andrew Lovett, it would appear that Milne would be sacked regardless wouldnt he?

I understand the innocent until found guilty thing, but pretty sure that didnt help Lovett at the time and the Saints may have set a precendence they really wished they hadnt now.

Certainly difficult situation for all including the alledged victim, but surely Joey Montagna must be nervous also about being dragged in front of the courts.

Terrible news

The difference here is that Milne has always maintained his innocence.

When the Lovett story first broke he was confronted by the leadership group and reportedly broke down and confessed he had done 'something' to a group of Roo, Fish, Hayes, Gram and Ross Lyon. This is what lead to his sacking.

 

[Tombowler]

Not sure how accurate, but Daniel Harford mentioned that new evidence not yet presented in the past had come to light.

Considering the nature of the offence, it's pretty limited in what it can be. I would suggest (not without possibility of being wrong) that it's either fresh oral evidence - immediately questionable by inconsistency with a prior statement or motivation, or it's been dug out of some locker by the 5-0. In the latter case, it's as potentially corrupted or fabricated as anything else and pretty easy to get kicked.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

I think it is probably only right that Milne is stood down, pending further investigation (or something)

The damage this could cause to the St Kilda brand is incalculable

 

[Shawt]

I hope this finally gives the guy a chance to unequivocally clear his name, once and for all

Whatever shinanigans went on behind the scenes robbed him of that, if everything tabled and cleared in court, he can finally put it all behind him

 

[Tombowler]

I think it is probably only right that Milne is stood down, pending further investigation (or something)

The damage this could cause to the St Kilda brand is incalculable

Milne has never received the presumption of innocence from the rest of the public, he should certainly be afforded it by St Kilda now. If he's stood down, it's career over; not something he deserves should the allegations fall down again.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Milne has never received the presumption of innocence from the rest of the public, he should certainly be afforded it by St Kilda now. If he's stood down, it's career over; not something he deserves should the allegations fall down again.

I can see both sides

But the club is more important than the player

If he was copping abuse before, imagine what it'll be like, for him, other players, us fans, if he goes out onto the field

 

[God Save Max King]

Wow. Hopefully he gets a fair chance to clear his name now.

 

[Tombowler]

I can see both sides

But the club is more important than the player

If he was copping abuse before, imagine what it'll be like, for him, other players, us fans, if he goes out onto the field

**** them. I think it could provide an excellent example of a close-knit, supportive culture and send an example to the kids that service is rewarded by the club.

 

[bubblegoose]

Noting the stance that StKilda took on Andrew Lovett, it would appear that Milne would be sacked regardless wouldnt he? I understand the innocent until found guilty thing, but pretty sure that didnt help Lovett at the time and the Saints may have set a precendence they really wished they hadnt now.

My opinion only: Precedence won't be a factor. Comparing apples & oranges re: servants to the club. Saints owed Lovett no favours, he'd done nothing for - except rob - the StKilda football club. Whatever happens to Milne will have nothing to do with that essendon player.

 

[Squizz]

**** them. I think it could provide an excellent example of a close-knit, supportive culture and send an example to the kids that service is rewarded by the club.

I'd bloody well hope my employer backed my side of the story after they conducted due diligence, in the absence of evidence to the contrary or previous issues with my conduct.

 

[Speck]

Who in terms of staff is still at the club from 2004?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

If people are going to compare this situation to the Lovett one, please do your homework.

Feel for his family and kids. No winners in this.

 

[CHBench]

Feel for his kid/s.


Is that it? Has he played his last game? Definitley not how i wanted that to occur if so.

 

[Nutsngum]

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opposition supporters who want to deal in "what ifs" are invited to go elsewhere

squizzy

What happens if he is sacked and then found not guilty? That will also "damage our brand".

No, we stick by our player who for almost a decade now has vowed his innocence and allow him his day in court.

 

[Strahany]

I feel that this is actually a good thing; a short term pain for long term gain kind of thing.

If Milne is innocent, then it will be proven and people can stop claiming that there was some BS conspiracy.
If Milne is guilty, then justice will be served.

Sure, it's yet another period of dragging Milne's name through the mud (assuming he is, in fact, innocent) but the damage has already been done, so just a little bit more in order to finish this rubbish off won't matter too much at all, really.