Mini Draft - WCE a strong contender

[Play by Numbers]

Again, you're kidding yourself. I suggest you go and watch the boy, then you'll get an appreciation of the type of freak he is.

Piss off Pav.

You are still probably upset over your shocking call re Darling. What was it you said again, BOG ordinary, too slow, lacks agility and won't make it at AFL level. I think you even compared him to McKinley once?

Hogan had a passable carnival but a great year in Colts. I think he is physically gifted, aggressive and likely to succeed.

 

[Talentman]

Piss off Pav.

You are still probably upset over your shocking call re Darling.

Hogan had a passable carnival but a great year in Colts. I think he is physically gifted, aggressive and likely to succeed.

Excuse me?

 

[Play by Numbers]

Excuse me?

So you aren't Pav/Chimera/MayneMan/Trump etc.? Pardon me if I am sceptical.

 

[Talentman]

So you aren't Pav/Chimera/MayneMan/Trump etc.? Pardon me if I am sceptical.

Um, I've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about?

 

[Play by Numbers]

Um, I've got absolutely no idea what you're talking about?

You also seem to have no idea about how to use evidence to support your argument as well.....

At the same age Darling was already playing league footy, where he managed to kick 6 goals in his second match.

Hogan gets big numbers in Colts though that is for sure. Physically dominant rakes in the marks, gets plenty of ball and still kicks goals. He is truly a giant amongst boys though and his size advantage reminds me a little of Hawkins (though different types of player).

He was not nearly as impressive in the u18's. Whilst he had some great moments, he wasn't anywhere near as effective when matched up against the more talented u18 sides.

Compare that to Darling who had the most statistically dominant u16 carnival ever recorded. In 2009 at the same age as Hogan played a couple of games that year in Colts for very good return, then played a couple of good league games with the big boys and a couple of average ones (over 2 gpg and had just turned 17), but dominated other talented juniors in the u18's. Was physically developed but had nowhere near the size advantage Hogan possesses.

His 2010 when he struggled with injury was much less impressive, part of the reason why he slipped.

Do I think Hogan has greater potential, very possible. Has he been absolutely fantastic at Colts level, definitely. Are his physical attributes/scope more pronounced, without a doubt. Has he showed the same level of exposed form against better opposition at the same age, nope.

 

[WCE_phil]

Again, you're kidding yourself. I suggest you go and watch the boy, then you'll get an appreciation of the type of freak he is.

I've watched plenty of both but darlings performance as an underager was enormous. In his first year in the champs and in colts he was up there in performance with swallow who it might be said had the best juniors record of any player a lot of people have seen. He was very close to being taken a year early along with swallow. As it turned out luckily for us he didnt and what happened did.

Hogan is a freak and an exceptional junior but he doesn't have the exposed form yet. I think people forget darling averaged 2 goals a game in the wafl seniors as a 17 year old. This is not to say i dont think we should take hogan IF we were to have a mini draft pick and he was available. What i will happily debate is whether or not its worth losing players when our premiership window is now and hogan won't be able to have an impact on that. Mitch brown could play on cloke or franklin tomorrow. Hogan would have 10 goals kicked on him. Look at hawkins, loot at patton, look at watts, look at brown, shit look at pretty much every key forward in recent history and its simple. They take time to develop no matter the talent.

The other thing you forget is that hogan from all reports is still growing where as darling basically stopped growing at 16 and had grown into his body more, not only that darling is a smaller player making it easier for him to develop. No matter what happens best case scenario is hogan plays his first game for the club 18 months or so from now, even with darlings development curve he still wouldnt be having the same level of impact until 3 years from now. 3 years from now theres no embley, no glass, likely no cox, likely no kerr, definitely no lynch, likely no nicoski, no adam selwood as well as when you consider butler and even waters injury histories possibly neither of those as well. Thats a hell of a lot of quality to replace if we are going to be challenging for a premiership at that stage. Shit we may well already have the cattle but it would be akin to you pissing in my pocket and telling me its raining if you think its a guarantee that we'll be challenging.

Are people really so quick to forget how fast things can turn to shit. We have a chance to win a premiership now and thats what the club should be 100% focussed on.

 

[Talentman]

You also seem to have no idea about how to use evidence to support your argument as well.....

At the same age Darling was already playing league footy, where he managed to kick 6 goals in his second match.

Hogan gets big numbers in Colts though that is for sure. Physically dominant rakes in the marks, gets plenty of ball and still kicks goals. He is truly a giant amongst boys though and his size advantage reminds me a little of Hawkins (though different types of player).

Breaking into the Claremont league team, the best side outside the AFL is alot harder to do than an ok West Perth unit

What sets Hogan apart is his attack on the ball in the air, it is Jono Brown/Carey like, Darling has always been a hard lead up, turn and burn forward.

He's never been known for his pack marking ability.

He was not nearly as impressive in the u18's. Whilst he had some great moments, he wasn't anywhere near as effective when matched up against the more talented u18 sides.

He was on the end of some of the worst delivery you'll see from a W.A state side, one of the worst midfield's W.A has pushed out for a number of years.

Compare that to Darling who had the most statistically dominant u16 carnival ever recorded. In 2009 at the same age as Hogan played a couple of games that year in Colts for very good return, then played a couple of good league games with the big boys and a couple of average ones (over 2 gpg and had just turned 17), but dominated other talented juniors in the u18's. Was physically developed but had nowhere near the size advantage Hogan possesses.

He was a man and rag dolled his opponents, he's put on 3 kg if Im not mistaken so he absolutely had a size advantage.

His 2010 when he struggled with injury was much less impressive, part of the reason why he slipped.

Do I think Hogan has greater potential, very possible. Has he been absolutely fantastic at Colts level, definitely. Are his physical attributes/scope more pronounced, without a doubt. Has he showed the same level of exposed form against better opposition at the same age, nope.

We'll have to agree to disagree, I think Hogan is a freak and true CHF that premierships are built around.

I think Darling is a third forward playing in the perfect pocket right now.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

We'll have to agree to disagree, I think Hogan is a freak and true CHF that premierships are built around.

I think Darling is a third forward playing in the perfect pocket right now.

Ive always thought he plays CHF at colts level like most of the better AFL CHF have done, and he like Darling is a very physical player. He gets a long way up the ground and overhead he's hard to out mark.

I think him and Darling are very much in the same class as each other, they are just better suited to playing different roles.

In the past Darling could have played FF or CHF but why bother?

 

[WCE_phil]

Just so you know talentman jesse hogan is both taller and heavier than darling was at the same age. Darling was averaging 2 goals at wafl league level while hogan is averaging 2 goals a game at colts level. Talent wise im not going to have an argument with you but output wise at the same age its not even close.

 

[Talentman]

Just so you know talentman jesse hogan is both taller and heavier than darling was at the same age. Darling was averaging 2 goals at wafl league level while hogan is averaging 2 goals a game at colts level. Talent wise im not going to have an argument with you but output wise at the same age its not even close.

Hogan plays in the ruck, CHB, CHF and onball.

Of course their GPG isnt going to be comparable, he seldom plays a whole game forward.

 

[SpaceClef]

Does it really matter? I swear 30% of all BF discussions are arguments about player x being better than player y. Nobody's mind is ever changed - it's like arguing over which Beatles record is the best.

 

[WCE_phil]

Does it really matter? I swear 30% of all BF discussions are arguments about player x being better than player y. Nobody's mind is ever changed - it's like arguing over which Beatles record is the best.

Well thats simple spaceclef. Whichever record was the original release of while my guitar gently weeps.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Does it really matter? I swear 30% of all BF discussions are arguments about player x being better than player y. Nobody's mind is ever changed - it's like arguing over which Beatles record is the best.

Isn't the issue that some people rate them both?

 

[tesseract]

*Tick*

I don't know a lot about Dom Sheed at this stage, but the upside to having him on the team is that you can cry out: 'Iz Dom, iz good' whenever he kicks a goal.

 

[WCE_phil]

I don't know a lot about Dom Sheed at this stage, but the upside to having him on the team is that you can cry out: 'Iz Dom, iz good' whenever he kicks a goal.

Would prefer is his name was watsonia, much better smallgoods for sure.

 

[pantskyle]

Does it really matter? I swear 30% of all BF discussions are arguments about player x being better than player y. Nobody's mind is ever changed - it's like arguing over which Beatles record is the best.

White Album.

 

[SpaceClef]

White Album.

Kyle pls. Rubber Soul ftw

 

[pantskyle]

Kyle pls. Rubber Soul ftw

How did you know my name?

 

[SpaceClef]

How did you know my name?

 

[pantskyle]

 

[Play by Numbers]

Breaking into the Claremont league team, the best side outside the AFL is alot harder to do than an ok West Perth unit

What sets Hogan apart is his attack on the ball in the air, it is Jono Brown/Carey like, Darling has always been a hard lead up, turn and burn forward.

He's never been known for his pack marking ability.



He was on the end of some of the worst delivery you'll see from a W.A state side, one of the worst midfield's W.A has pushed out for a number of years.



He was a man and rag dolled his opponents, he's put on 3 kg if Im not mistaken so he absolutely had a size advantage.



We'll have to agree to disagree, I think Hogan is a freak and true CHF that premierships are built around.

I think Darling is a third forward playing in the perfect pocket right now.

So it is you Pav.

Opinion isn't evidence and Darling has not played the third forward tall role this year. Still searching for your consolation prize after being so wrong.

I look forward to your "Mayne is a better 3rd tall than Darling" thread sometime in the future....

 

[Talentman]

WTF are you on about?

 

[Play by Numbers]

WTF are you on about?

You know exactly what I am on about. How long till you out yourself properly and blow another alias?

 

[Talentman]

You know exactly what I am on about. How long till you out yourself properly and blow another alias?

Again, WTF are you talking about?

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Can you two stop? Nobody gives a shit; PM each other if you're going to have a domestic.