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Who cares about his body shape? He isn't fat and he is fit and if the club had a problem with it then they would have had him change it.
You can lead a horse to water and all that. To me that looks like the body of someone who goes through the motions in the gym without exerting himself.

It's not a huge deal as long as he's fit - running capacity is more important in modern footy anyway - but it's pretty rare to see someone who's 100% committed to being a professional athlete not to have that reflected in their body shape.
 
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I left Aus in 2007 and havent been back. I've not seen a full game of footy in almost 12 years. Yeah its tough!

The last time I saw a full Dockers game, Bell was an absolute star, Pavlich was destroying everyone, Mcmanus and Cook were providing plenty of footy for the forwards (though missing targets more often than not) and Luke Mcpharlane was just about our most underrated player ever.

So can someone bring me up to speed here please? I know we are crap. Just how crap are we? And why hasnt Nathan Fyfe been crowned king of WA yet?
 

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So can someone bring me up to speed here please? I know we are crap. Just how crap are we? And why hasnt Nathan Fyfe been crowned king of WA yet?
We aren't as crap as the Victorian media would have you believe. We are a mid-table team at the moment and realistically could finish anywhere between 6-12 this season IMO. Luck, injuries, and how the young guys develop over the season will determine just how high up the ladder we do finish.
 

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I left Aus in 2007 and havent been back. I've not seen a full game of footy in almost 12 years. Yeah its tough!

The last time I saw a full Dockers game, Bell was an absolute star, Pavlich was destroying everyone, Mcmanus and Cook were providing plenty of footy for the forwards (though missing targets more often than not) and Luke Mcpharlane was just about our most underrated player ever.

So can someone bring me up to speed here please? I know we are crap. Just how crap are we? And why hasnt Nathan Fyfe been crowned king of WA yet?
Things were going well for a while

2012 new coach Ross Lyon from St Kilda inherited a pretty decent list and instilled a hard nosed defensive style that had us up and challenging

2013 looked good from the start and made it all the way through to the GF but poor goal kicking and a tough Hawthorn team about to 3pete put paid to our dreams

2014 decent season but poor finals including a loss to Port Adelaide at home in a semi

2015 great start to the year , finished on top of the ladder but some cracks were starting to appear , lost a preliminary final at home against Hawthorn again which would have set up a Derby GF which we would have won and shut the gobs of those pricks up the road forever alas it wasn't to be

2016 - fell off the cliff starting 0-11 and ending up with a record for the greatest fall down the ladder in the history of the game

2017 - tried to bounce back with the older player but it was hopeless so a new team full of kids by the end

2018 - similar but too young to do anything some promising young players now and a couple of good trades

2019 - looking for a better year with a young fresh hungry team

Fyfe probably would be king if he could stay on the park


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Mate I dont need the Victorian media tell me my side is pretty crap when we've finished no higher than 14th since 2015.
We have decent players in our defence, and now in our forward line. Our midfield is still crap, and losing Neale will hurt. We have some young talent coming through but they will need another couple of years before they are consistent high performers.

Our remaining experienced players are either injury prone or the game is about to pass them. Or just had a bad run with injuries and will come good this year!?!!? (Fyfe, SHill, BHill, Walters, Sandi - injured).

We have something like 33 new players in 3 years, so basically they need another year or two of playing regular footy together to be a serious threat.

We kinda are a mish-mash of WA imports, young drafted talent, and injury prone experienced players. On our day we could beat anyone, but I think we need most of 2019 to continue to gel before we start playing high level, consistent footy. Enjoy the journey and get around ‘em!!! Buckle in, anything is possible.
 

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You can lead a horse to water and all that. To me that looks like the body of someone who goes through the motions in the gym without exerting himself.

It's not a huge deal as long as he's fit - running capacity is more important in modern footy anyway - but it's pretty rare to see someone who's 100% committed to being a professional athlete not to have that reflected in their body shape.
Agree with that. Both he and Cox have the look of guys that don't apply themselves 100%. Compare their development to Darcy who has changed his body significantly in 2 years
 

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As long as they are fit enough they are here to play footy, not to look great at the beach.
That's always the thing right? It's more than just getting onto the park - it's about getting the most of themselves and their talent. It's a visible signal that they don't do everything they can to be the best

You don't see Fyfe having a dart or looking anything other than cut for a reason

They might be good enough on skills alone, I'd love to see what they could be if they tried to be more than just good enough. Worked for Walters
 

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That's always the thing right? It's more than just getting onto the park - it's about getting the most of themselves and their talent. It's a visible signal that they don't do everything they can to be the best

You don't see Fyfe having a dart or looking anything other than cut for a reason

They might be good enough on skills alone, I'd love to see what they could be if they tried to be more than just good enough. Worked for Walters
It may well be that Cox and McCarthy don't work hard enough. But I will just point out that Mundy has never looked cut. He has almost no muscle definition, yet he is very strong in the contest and we all love him these days and appreciate every game we get from him.

Some have the genes to look cut, some don't.
 

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That's always the thing right? It's more than just getting onto the park - it's about getting the most of themselves and their talent. It's a visible signal that they don't do everything they can to be the best

You don't see Fyfe having a dart or looking anything other than cut for a reason

They might be good enough on skills alone, I'd love to see what they could be if they tried to be more than just good enough. Worked for Walters
Fully agree with this. For us to be serious contenders we pretty much need everyone doing everything right. But there are two things different about the upcoming season that will help that;
  • there is realistic competition for list spots, notably in the positions where some posters believe that there has not been enough effort. Getting a game is not going to be automatic.
  • we are clearly building a competitive list, and winning is key driver for sportspeople.
Those things may or may not work, but if they don't then we keep sorting the wheat from the chaff.
 

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Fully agree with this. For us to be serious contenders we pretty much need everyone doing everything right. But there are two things different about the upcoming season that will help that;
  • there is realistic competition for list spots, notably in the positions where some posters believe that there has not been enough effort. Getting a game is not going to be automatic.
  • we are clearly building a competitive list, and winning is key driver for sportspeople.
Those things may or may not work, but if they don't then we keep sorting the wheat from the chaff.
I also think Ross and the club have acknowledged they have had more of a focus on developing an environment that will help with player retention - no doubt relaxing the standards with some of the young/new boys would have been part of this. No point being a drill sergeant and riding them too hard when we all knew losses were more likely than wins.

As you said, with increased competition for spots, comes increased standards. Hopefully the “off-field” bonds are strong and we keep this “rat-pack” group together, because they are some of our highest potential players going forward.
 
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