Research Missing DOD or DOB for League players (AFL)

[GreyCrow]

I hate to be pedantic but shouldn't we first establish that a "O'Hagan" played that single game in 1897 and, if so, that Michael O'Hagan was the player who played that game.

As I've mentioned before the saints records for 1897 are diabolical and in the game he is supposed to have played, the Saints got slaughtered by Essendon from memory by 90 points ( some reports say 94) to 3 and the press reports in the Argus etc on Trove are completely dismissive of the game ( Essendon were on top of the league at point in the season by from recollection plenty) and give few, if any, details of the game.

Yes, quite a fair point.
Unfortunately, The Herald on Google News has a large gap in coverage with 1897 being among the years not visible online.

I should hold to my "cautious" approach a bit more solidly !
Back at end of July on the "inaccuracy" thread I too expressed feeling that the whole first generation of VFL records need re-checking.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...fficial-records.1089761/page-42#post-51608103

I also have doubts over Mortons 1 game for North

I shall let those who know the permit system a lot better than I sort out what happened Morton is cleared April 30 ( start of the season as far as I can see) from North to the 2nds. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205802622 logically this tells me he played in 1926 ( if he did).

I looked into May and couldnt see a game played.

As I did with others I shall continue to search for DOD and let others sort out the football games . On Morton I have not found much (yet)

 

[the croucher]

I also have doubts over Mortons 1 game for North

I shall let those who know the permit system a lot better than I sort out what happened Morton is cleared April 30 ( start of the season as far as I can see) from North to the 2nds. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205802622 logically this tells me he played in 1926 ( if he did).

I looked into May and couldnt see a game played.

As I did with others I shall continue to search for DOD and let others sort out the football games . On Morton I have not found much (yet)

Okay. Bit of double-checking going on here. I'll have a look in detail at 1926 & 1927.

First off, in Sporting Globe there is a Morton named in NM team for that 6 August '27 match v Hawthorn
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/184857795

and The Argus issue day before match mentions Morton as one of the players named to play
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/3871123

But of course, in neither case is an initial or given name used.

 

[the croucher]

I also have doubts over Mortons 1 game for North

I shall let those who know the permit system a lot better than I sort out what happened Morton is cleared April 30 ( start of the season as far as I can see) from North to the 2nds. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205802622 logically this tells me he played in 1926 ( if he did).

I looked into May and couldnt see a game played.

As I did with others I shall continue to search for DOD and let others sort out the football games . On Morton I have not found much (yet)

Well, think I have found the person presumed to be the player, but understand why he was difficult to track down. Although listed by the AFL at moment as James "Jim" Reginald Morton, he was in fact registered as Joseph Reginald Morton, and known within family circles as Reg.

On the Vic BDMs site, there are two entries for the one reg number 1926 #9824
both with parents named as Joseph Jacob and Ethel May (nee Job)
It appears to me that the family sorted out some type of official correction to make it Joseph Reginald.

His mother's death notice in early Feb 1944 names him as Reg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206789888

so too does the notice when his father dies at end of Sept 1948
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22676137

A family tree on Ancestry gives DOD for Reg as 30 March 1999.
There is a notice archived online at the Herald Sun site which seems to confirm that
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/ar...iew?random=1508116270980?random=1508116296472

 

[GreyCrow]

Well, think I have found the person presumed to be the player, but understand why he was difficult to track down. Although listed by the AFL at moment as James "Jim" Reginald Morton, he was in fact registered as Joseph Reginald Morton, and known within family circles as Reg.

On the Vic BDMs site, there are two entries for the one reg number 1926 #9824
both with parents named as Joseph Jacob and Ethel May (nee Job)
It appears to me that the family sorted out some type of official correction to make it Joseph Reginald.

His mother's death notice in early Feb 1944 names him as Reg
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206789888

so too does the notice when his father dies at end of Sept 1948
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/22676137

A family tree on Ancestry gives DOD for Reg as 30 March 1999.
There is a notice archived online at the Herald Sun site which seems to confirm that
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/ar...iew?random=1508116270980?random=1508116296472

I did see those 2. 9824??? Is my memory. I checked Joseph as well.

Good to see a dod, now we can work on if he was a footballer

 

[35Daicos]

I also have doubts over Mortons 1 game for North

I shall let those who know the permit system a lot better than I sort out what happened Morton is cleared April 30 ( start of the season as far as I can see) from North to the 2nds. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205802622 logically this tells me he played in 1926 ( if he did).

I looked into May and couldnt see a game played.

As I did with others I shall continue to search for DOD and let others sort out the football games . On Morton I have not found much (yet)

Morton gets a mention here as one of the old players missing from the (1928) list:- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202308926 (16 Apr 1928)

 

[the croucher]

Morton gets a mention here as one of the old players missing from the (1928) list:- http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202308926 (16 Apr 1928)

Late in the 1928 season, North Melb vs Collingwood Seconds was the curtain-raiser to an interstate match,
Morton is mentioned among the best for NM
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205468761

 

[GreyCrow]

Late in the 1928 season, North Melb vs Collingwood Seconds was the curtain-raiser to an interstate match,
Morton is mentioned among the best for NM
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/205468761

Edit: 2nds game. I Should pay more attention

 

[35Daicos]

I hate to be pedantic but shouldn't we first establish that a "O'Hagan" played that single game in 1897 and, if so, that Michael O'Hagan was the player who played that game.

As I've mentioned before the saints records for 1897 are diabolical and in the game he is supposed to have played, the Saints got slaughtered by Essendon from memory by 90 points ( some reports say 94) to 3 and the press reports in the Argus etc on Trove are completely dismissive of the game ( Essendon were on top of the league at point in the season by from recollection plenty) and give few, if any, details of the game.

I like to be pedantic!! It's probably a prerequisite for spending a fair bit of time doing this sort of thing!

I really wish there was a website (or even a spreadsheet available) where all the permit details (especially from the earlier years) could be seen. It would make life so much easier. If anyone has the energy, and a few hours to spare, feel free to whip something up!!!

 

[GreyCrow]

I like to be pedantic!! It's probably a prerequisite for spending a fair bit of time doing this sort of thing!

I really wish there was a website (or even a spreadsheet available) where all the permit details (especially from the earlier years) could be seen. It would make life so much easier. If anyone has the energy, and a few hours to spare, feel free to whip something up!!!

A few hours.

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

SIXTEENTH BATCH OF MISSING DOD
Alfred "Alf" Carl Frank Neeson - Fitz 1935-36, Haw 1936-38 (B: 15/6/1914) Orig Club: Canberra

Another curious one.... he seems to have gone by the name Briggs later in life

He was arrested in Ceduna in 1939 for stealing a car http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75864505
..but he was with a woman (Ivy McRae/Searle) at the time, and was later cited in the divorce case http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75864747
They started living together (haven't found evidence of a marriage)
He apparently served in WWII using the name Alfred Briggs http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=764438
But... the relationship with Ivy didn't last http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95722312
..or maybe it did? http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47840442

My guess is he dies as Alfred Briggs in WA but haven't found a death record yet....

 

[35Daicos]

Another curious one.... he seems to have gone by the name Briggs later in life

He was arrested in Ceduna in 1939 for stealing a car http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75864505
..but he was with a woman (Ivy McRae/Searle) at the time, and was later cited in the divorce case http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75864747
They started living together (haven't found evidence of a marriage)
He apparently served in WWII using the name Alfred Briggs http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=764438
But... the relationship with Ivy didn't last http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95722312
..or maybe it did? http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47840442

My guess is he dies as Alfred Briggs in WA but haven't found a death record yet....

He was obviously a pretty interesting character! I posted on the previous page that he enlisted back in 1935 but only lasted 10 or so months before being discharged.

Again this Army record has 5 June 1914 for his DoB. He probably changed his name because of previous misdemeanours! As I posted on the last page the AFL records have him with a 15 June DoB, but when he enlisted back in 1935 he wrote 5 June.
rbartlett can you please make sure this gets mentioned to the AFL guys, as there's a fair chance that the DoB is wrong. Basically, he's joined the army twice, under two different names, but both times said he was born 5 June 1914 (not 15 June 1914).

 

[GreyCrow]

Another curious one.... he seems to have gone by the name Briggs later in life

He was arrested in Ceduna in 1939 for stealing a car http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75864505
..but he was with a woman (Ivy McRae/Searle) at the time, and was later cited in the divorce case http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article75864747
They started living together (haven't found evidence of a marriage)
He apparently served in WWII using the name Alfred Briggs http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?serviceId=A&veteranId=764438
But... the relationship with Ivy didn't last http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95722312
..or maybe it did? http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47840442

My guess is he dies as Alfred Briggs in WA but haven't found a death record yet....

Then he must have been using 2 names at once?? From August 1950.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47879068

Alfred Neeson bus Driver aged 35. Now there may be 2 Alfred Neesons. But 2 with sticky fingers? 2 born around the same time?

This needs more investigating. Not disputing the work done, just wanting clarification.

Timeline
1939 NEESON named as co=respondent in divorce with Ivy Macrae http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article79230920
1941 Ivy Briggs named as Mrs Alfred Briggs in Obit http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47153823
1947 an Alfred Briggs is charged in KALGOORLIE for breach of radio licence http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95523959
1948 Ivy and Alfred Briggs (aka Neeson) named in Divorce proceedings http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95722312
1949 NEESON still named as playing football http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95665034

Yet there are various FOOTBALL stories using Alf Neeson as search term from 1930s etc. Either Briggs is another person and used Neeson as an AKA (because they knew of each other from Kalgoorlie or Briggs just used a famous name) or they are the same living 2 separate lives at the same time. The only gaps in the WA paper are from 1941-1945 when it is assumed he is in the army (under whatever name)

Best ever headline though from his 1939 effort
NEESON WASN'T HALF FORWARD WITH ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE!


More investigation methinks

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

Then he must have been using 2 names at once?? From August 1950.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article47879068

Alfred Neeson bus Driver aged 35. Now there may be 2 Alfred Neesons. But 2 with sticky fingers? 2 born around the same time?
This needs more investigating. Not disputing the work done, just wanting clarification.

Totally agree we haven't got to the bottom of this and hoped a group effort might get there faster than me at 1 in the morning..
My guess is we have one person using two names - the publicity surrounding his 1939 escapades/jailing might have been a motivating factor. He doesn't seem to have been on the electoral roll after that time - often dropping off the roll gives a good clue for DOD but not in this case..

The Kalgoorlie timeline fits well.
He played for Mines Rovers in 1947 (winning GFL B&F) and then came back to play with East Perth in 1948

 

[35Daicos]

Another curious one.... he seems to have gone by the name Briggs later in life

But... the relationship with Ivy didn't last http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article95722312

My guess is he dies as Alfred Briggs in WA but haven't found a death record yet....

This even says "Alfred Briggs, also known as Alfred Neeson".

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

The divorce article GreyCrow linked to: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/79230920 gives Ivy's full name as Ivy Margaret Ellen Searle > McRae > Briggs.
Ancestry gives a death notice in 1974 for her - would be nice if we could find Alfred and Ivy buried together..
Name: Ivy Margaret Ellen Briggs
Birth Year: abt 1904
Age: 70
Death Place: Western Australia
Father's name: Henry
Mother's name: Selina M
Registration Year: 1974
Registration Place: Perth, Western Australia
Registration Number: 2684/74

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

More detail on Ivy – her birth name was actually Ivy Margaret Ellen Seale – born in Perth in 1904.
Ivy is on electoral roll in 1972 in Balga (in Perth, north of city)
She died on 9 Jul 1974 and was cremated as per http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00045664

There is one possible candidate for Alfred in the records from the same cemetery in 1983 but the age is a bit off (although death age of 60 might have been a guess) – more a vague possibility than anything at this stage
http://www2.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/details.php?id=KC00074324

 

[GreyCrow]

Event Birth
Event registration number 11795
Registration year 1914

Personal information
Family name NEESON
Given names Alfd Carl Frank
Sex Unknown
Father's name Alfd Frank
Mother's name Ethel Bessie (Woess)
Place of birth CWOOD

He joined the Army in early 1935 (and was discharged later that year):-
Neeson, Alfred; Army Number - 325129; Date of birth - 05 June 1914

You can see that there's a small discrepancy with his DoB. He's clearly written 5/6/1914, whereas the AFL records have 15/6/1914, so worth looking into.

He was playing in the WAFL in 1948 so perhaps he stayed in WA?

Here might be something for your 1am ramble Harry

A genealogy site I am a member of also had this query 10 years ago. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=249892.msg1381207#msg1381207

They seem to suggest Briggs has Neeson as an AKA because of his step-father.

Dagmar Miller M Alfred Briggs - 1890
Children - Alfred B 1891 and Frank B 1893 in Collingwood, Victoria
Dagmar then marries Titus Neeson and the boys take the Neeson name.
Alfred uses Briggs and Neeson (whatever takes his fancy at the time).
Frank supposedly only uses Neeson. Both marry as NEESON.
Cannot find them dying under either name.
Alfreds son(also Alfred) uses both names but Franks uses only Neeson.
Cannot find Alfreds son dying either.
Anyone got any ideas??? GLENDREATH

This also suggests Briggs uses Alfred Carl Neeson

Alfred Frederick William BRIGGS (b: 1891) marries Ethel Bessie WOESS in 1909 (gives his name as Alfred Frank NEESON) Alfred disappears circa 1918 as Ethel gives birth to a daughter listing father as William Alexander INGRAM. Helen, are you sure this Alfred uses both surnames?
One of their children Alfred Carl Frank NEESON is born in 1914. This guy uses all different surnames and spends at least some time in WA.

These are also the names of the parents as listed on Neesons BDM. This marriage is listed under NeesEn/Woess 1909

It suggests Alfred married as an 18 yr old. Not unusual but...too be fair Ethel Emily is also 18 (b 1891) yet is Ethel Bessie at marriage??

Another further search http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=148377.msg683683#msg683683

Happy to eat my words . I might have to start strongly considering the chance that a man lived 2 names intermittently in the same town yet had such a noted sports career. Its at odds with all I understand of anonymity. Crazy

 

[35Daicos]

Here might be something for your 1am ramble Harry

I'm not Harry!! I have been known to ramble, however!

 

[GreyCrow]

I'm not Harry!! I have been known to ramble, however!

Yes, I did see that after I posted. I thought I quoted Harrys

 

[WhiteHartLane23]

Here might be something for your 1am ramble Harry
...One of their children Alfred Carl Frank NEESON is born in 1914. This guy uses all different surnames and spends at least some time in WA.
...
Happy to eat my words . I might have to start strongly considering the chance that a man lived 2 names intermittently in the same town yet had such a noted sports career. Its at odds with all I understand of anonymity. Crazy

I think it was my 1am ramblings you were referring to - I think we all ramble a bit on here...
Found the marriage record for Alfred and Ivy at http://www.wamarriage.info/
Surname FirstName District Number Sex Year SpSurname SpFirstName
Briggs Alfred M East Coolgardie 270 M 1940 McRae Ivy M E

..curious that his name was recorded as Alfred M Briggs - first time I have seen any suggestion of a middle name being used

 

[Harry Hook]

My ramblings usually take place at 3 or 4 am.

 

[rbartlett]

Stephen R has replied to the Batch 2 of Missing DOD and DOB I emailed to him on our behalf.
Take a bit of time to read through this some really interesting developments (incl DOBs found at end of his message)
Btw, when is says 'you' he means the BigFooty thread.

Hi Rhett,

Part 2 now absorbed.

Thanks, again!! - that's another at least, half a dozen deaths that we didn't have.

In relation to the dates of death given, everyone is an OK - with in some cases,
these notes/observations/info. :

- O'Hara
we have already amended him to William Ernest O'Hara; he of the debut St K 1900;
h/w 187/100.5 ex Collegians/Brighton Grammar
died 3 - 5 - 41 at Shanghai, China

Barb Cullen became fascinated with this case, and did a heap of work on him
about 6 months ago.
If the references to him still have the 'old' details, the new stuff still hasn't
'filtered thru' yet, I'd say. This kind of thing happens so often! - hopefully
your guys are aware of this type of situation!

- Levey/Lander
noted re the name changing

- Lawrence
OK; we got 1 - 8 - 75 in Adelaide

- March
thanks for that! - we had an inaccurate date!

- Marr
that was interesting! - but it's NOT the NZ guy.
You know how you can pinpoint NZ dates of death
(just like you can pinpoint NSW and Qld ones) -
well, it turns out that 1918/37922
wasn't between 1 - 1 - 18 and 31 - 12 - 18!!!!!!!!
I thought W T F !!!!!!!!!
but then, reading the fine print, in the FAQs,
that sort of stuff; they say:
all WW1 deaths are recorded as a 1918 death
(even if he died earlier in the war).
So, giving myself a wider range (the whole war) -
I eventually narrowed it down to 18 - 5 - 15.
That's when he was killed in action!
At that stage, my heart skipped a beat -
Barb Cullen's going to be shattered by this!!! -
you know, with her plaques and all!
But, as I said, it's not the player:
if you then call up his service record:
he, the 18 - 5 - 15 KIA man, has a d-o-b on
his file, of 10 - 6 - 1877.
So it's clearly not our 9 - 8 - 1880 player.
but, yeah, it was definitely worth investigating
But that still doesn't solve the mystery of
Joseph Thomas Marr!
how frustrating is this! :
you listed, virtually every family member with
a date (that is, a year) of death.
why the hell doesn't he???????!!!!!!!!!

- OK re Jim Malone; yes, we think he's still going.
Ironically - you would have seen - Kevin Dynon
departed a few weeks ago

- McMaster
yes, noted that one very recently

- Daniel Collins
we already have 22 - 8 - 1872; 6 - 7 - 1925 -
again, one that's a change from what it originally was.
but, not filtered thru to the sites yet apparently?

Other bits and pieces:

Hey, Col and I had a celebratory drink this week.
We found a mistake, without you guys telling us!
Hahaha!!! - just kidding there.
It concerns Quinton of Geelong.
Bob Gartland, doing his Geel stuff, stumbled across
a photo in the Geelong News of the Week
of 2 - 5 - 1907, page 13. Photo of:
The Late Mr. Heber Quinton, Old Geelong Collegian
and Geelong Footballer.
He told Col, who investigated it further, and,
to make a long story short -
the 1-gamer of 1900 is
George Hector (known as Heber - I know that sounds weird,
but Geel College have confirmed it, with Col over the phone)
Quinton. Born 2 - 11 - 1883 (so, debut aged about 16 and a 1/2)
H/w (from the photo) - we've given him 163/53.
(Yep, that's light - but his game was on the wing; so Col thinks
that's (from his age; and the photo) pretty reasonable.)
Recruited from - Geelong College.
Died - 25 - 4 - 1907 at Katoomba, NSW
(from TB)
Hence the News of the Week stuff.
We have therefore changed details of his brother,
William Horace, called Horrie:
career is now from 1903-05.
Recruited from - Brighton Juniors, and prior to that Geelong College
(that's stated clearly, in his first 1903 match - we probably should have
picked that up, originally)
he also had a young death, as you can see - in 1912.
(Another aspect - why it's Heber in 1900 - is that the match report says:
Quinton [and 2 others] play with the College football team . . .
So, it's not Horrie - at 22! - unless he's the dumbest student ever!!! - haha!)
Col even checked that! - Horrie was in the 1894 College team,
whereas Heber was in the 1898-1901 College teams

- Canavan
Col just photo-copied some of the Big Footy notes, and I saw about him -
and he's OK.
the STEPH thing, is clearly a corruption (don't know how it happened,
but it did!) of JOSEPH.
You pinpoint the death, from that ref. no., in NSW deaths, as 10 - 1 - 24;
matching PERFECTLY the newspaper report of 11 - 1, saying that
Joseph Canavan has just died from drowning.
(And - as has been noted - parents match at birth and death.)
So he's finished off, with, I'm noting:
10 - 1 - 1924. Died (drowned) at Rufus Creek, near Cal Lal, near Wentworth, NSW.

- Jack Cliff
One day years ago Graham Burke - remember him!; he was the editor of the
Footy Record in the late '60s - rang Col. Graham was an expert on Broken Hill
players, and he told Col, words to the effect of:
Jack Cliff became a gangster in St Kilda, after his footy career.
He had a falling-out with other gang members - who 'took him out.'
They buried him in an unmarked grave - you know, just buried him in the ground
somewhere, in the middle of the night.
So, if that's all true - we'll be battling to get a date of death, won't we!

Russell has received this data back from BDM now:

- Roberts.
John Roberts (called Jack), the birth at Scarsdale
Born 2 - 1 - 1867

- McNair.
Archibald MacIndoe McNair
Born 28 - 9 - 1880

- Corby
The nightmare man!
At least we've established that Lawrence William, and Eugene Francis,
were 2 different people!
In fact, it's probably best to on-forward you the email I sent
Michael Roberts 24 hours ago. That's where we're at now.
Will send it, after this email.

I think that's it for now.

Take your time, to mull over all this!

No rush with Part 3 - haha!!

Thanks again for everything!

Regards,

Steve

----------

email sent to Michael Roberts from Stephen R
(again, when he refers to me he is meaning the BigFooty research)

Hi Michael,

A bit more on the Corby case.

Russell has been able to establish that Lawrence William Corby and Eugene Francis Corby are 2 different men
(but they are brothers).

From Vic Births:

Lawrence William born 11-2-1923 (matching what he says on his military enlistment)
Eugene Francis born 24-12-1924 (matching what we already have for him, as a Coll footballer)

both to parents William John/Rose Rafferty

So, the article that Rhett Bartlett noted, (I think I already mentioned this to you),
the military charge against him, which noted words to the effect of:
he was known to the military as Lawrence William Corby, but his correct name was
Eugene Francis Corby - the newspaper actually says that! -
just isn't true OR! - (Col speculated it could be this way)
when he was charged for his military offence, he just gave his brother's name!! -
to hopefully get himself out of a tight spot!
Does that sound plausible to you too?
Anyway, there seems that there's no doubt Frank (he is, as you know, F. in the 1948 Coll Record)
is the Coll player. So, we have his correct date-of-birth!! - so that's good.
And we have Lawrence's date-of-death, 23 - 11 - 1979 - although that's not much use to us, is it!
So we now need Frank's date-of-death. (Presuming he's gone - would soon be 93, wouldn't he!)
Are you able to tell me briefly, please, what Peter Marshall discovered about the family?
Any family contact, would help - to hopefully put this last piece of the puzzle into place.

Regards,

Steve

 

[GreyCrow]

Very happy with the Canavan one. The Jack Cliff and back to Joseph Thomas Marr

Appreciate that rhett

 

[Harry Hook]

it seems that EF Corby was somewhat of a miscreant.

I'm late on this Corby research however but in 1952, Eugene Francis Corby was charged with 5 others in connection with the theft of 1,000 pounds of frocks from a frock shop in Kilmore.

cf Age 1 November 1952
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article205433907
and they went to trial in 1953

Argus 14 May 1953

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article23244384

It also seems that one of Corby's alleged co defendants, John Robert Leslie, may have been a fence and operated in NSW

Sun 26 April 1951

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article230067401


and WA

Daily News 25 May 1943

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article78319077


and got 6 months jail in 1946 in WA

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page3775207
So E F Corby was in a pretty hard core criminal group.


It seems that the trial of E F Corby collapsed because the brother of Leslie "got at" at one of the jurors

National Advocate 20 November 1952


http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article161671365


So that gets us to 1952 when EF Corby is still alive.

Now the interesting one.

Could Frank Corby have been using the name Frank Corbie

cf Canberra times 20 December 1961

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article105856698

Bear in mind one important factor though. If someone has been convicted of a serious enough offence they do not have the right to vote so they will not appear in the electoral roll.

This is especially important in the case of Frank Corby and his fellow miscreants.

Also if he was sufficiently criminal, as may have been the case, his family may have disowned him or he may have disowned them.

So you will have to think laterally. Was Frank Corby married? If he was you might be able to find his wife and\or children's names and look for their electoral roll details and dates for death for obituaries.

Now again this may have been covered but there were 2 Lawrence William Corbys who enlisted in World War 2, both of whom gave the same birth date as 11 February 1923.

The first L W Corby ( service number
VX112614 ) enlisted in Melbourne on 18 September 1942 and his location was said to be Brunswick and his place of enlistment was said to be Albury. He was said to be born in Melbourne Victoria. He was discharged on 10 June 1948.

The second LW Corby ( service number
VX75565 ) enlisted on 16 February 1942 and his location was said to be Melbourne Victoria and his place of location Caulfield. He was born at Clifton Hill. He was discharged on 23 May 1945.

Both men give the same next of kin being W Corby.

So it would seem that the "good" and the "bad" Corby both enlisted using the "good" Corby's details.

Given that EF Corby was tried on charges on 3 May 1945:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article42470909

where it is said that he was court martialled and also that he went AWOL on 4 May 1942, then EF Corby was t
he second LW Corby ( service number
VX75565 ) as the first LW Corby enlisted in Melbourne on 18 September 1942.

The date of discharge of t
he second LW Corby ( service number
VX75565 ) suggests that he may have been given a dishonourable discharge although I cannot find any evidence of this.

 

[Harry Hook]

It seems EF Corby got 3 years jail in 1945

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61953160

And a retrial was ordered in October 1945

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article42453982

And was found not guilty

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article170634097