News Mitch Brown comes out as first openly bisexual AFL player

[happy_eagle]

Sorry I just don't get the need for a coming out of someone's homosexuality or any sexuality for that matter.

Sounds a lot like the US Military policy of the 90s called "Don't ask, Don't tell"

Might be worth doing some reading up on that one to see how ignoring the issue ultimately makes it worse.

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Smotie2]

Sounds a lot like the US Military policy of the 90s called "Don't ask, Don't tell"

Might be worth doing some reading up on that one to see how ignoring the issue ultimately makes it worse.

Don't ask, don't tell - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sounds like it?

And why are they ignoring mental health then?

 

[Smotie2]

you sooked over a bloke coming out on a podcast because he's "bringing his sexuality into football"

you claimed you just wanted to watch football without any acknowledgement of social issues, and compared this issue to the AFL staging a round about the Ukraine conflict or suggested fans bring Palestinian flags to games

then you edited your post to suggest the AFL should do more to address the issue of men's mental health

does that about sum it up?

im sorry this has you so triggered and that bigfooty isnt your safe space, might I suggest you try twitter/X? you might find more like minded individuals

Nah mate.

You got it wrong at sooked.

That post you were reading so poorly was questioning forward press as to why other issues arent dealt with. Why stop at LGBTQ.

If the AFL wants to get involved in social issues why leave anything out? I mean every round could be a social issue, there a lot of them.

Sad I had to explain that to you.

 

[Goroyals22]

Bloke articulates super clearly how alienated he felt from the only world he knew and how he eventually just gave up on it entirely and ended his footy career early.

“Why isn’t there a men’s mental health round”.

We know what you mean. Not those men. No not those men. No I’m not worried about their mental health, what about me?

At this point the ones not getting are deliberately choosing to not get it, and quite simply never will.

Thread is staying up because it’s important to show that 99% of people are very supportive of everyone, and if the 1% could quietly go to a different thread or log off to concentrate on that divorced loser rally that’s going on today, that would be appreciated. We’re not doing “why isn’t there men’s mental health round” or “why does this actually matter” again.

It’s been answered, you don’t like the answer, the world is moving on without you.

Please, it’s not everyone’s else’s fault the guy was an ordinary footballer and was well past his use by date when he finished.. what a total re writing of history to suggest otherwise…
It’s likes Goodes claiming what happened to him ended his career, he was 35. Not many play longer than that and he hardly was in good form..

Just because someone’s feels this or that doesn’t mean this or that actually is what occurred….

The rest of your post is just I don’t agree so no more correspondence will be entered into.
That rally today must really have killed your fragile feelings

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Just stop posting dickheads

 

[jdisc]

Nah mate.

You got it wrong at sooked.

That post you were reading so poorly was questioning forward press as to why other issues arent dealt with. Why stop at LGBTQ.

If the AFL wants to get involved in social issues why leave anything out? I mean every round could be a social issue, there a lot of them.

Sad I had to explain that to you.

This is the comment you are referring to, no?

As with previous social equality issues, there will always be an element that says you have do it the right way and be a flawless, selfless model of ideal behaviour that even Buddha himself would be envious.

Those people would prefer Mitch Brown goes quietly into the night and his social media bizarreness is a perfect excuse to force everyone like him to stay in their closet.

To which you replied:

I just don't get the whole need to come out and tell everyone you're gay and used to play AFL
I mean are there people coming out as into wife swapping? I'm sure there are footy couple into this but why not come out? I'm sure there have been some slurs about girlfriends and wives being sluts etc.

Sorry I just don't get the need for a coming out of someone's homosexuality or any sexuality for that matter.

I also don't see a need for a pride round just as much as I don't see a need for straight round.

Leave sex out of football.

Other posters have explained why it's important to break the stigma and how it helps other young men feel more comfortable in an environment where they're usually excluded.

I'm not sure how you've now got onto the topic of "the AFL wanting to get involved in every social issue" and there being a round for every single one of them. It seems like a bit of a strawman.

Some posters have pointed to the importance of AFL action on certain issues, yourself included on the topic of mens mental health. But in this instance we're talking about the LGBT community and their relationship to football the sport, we're talking about a former west coast player coming out on a podcast. I'm not sure why you're jumping to making this about AFL branded rounds and actions from corporate.

 

[UseR2006]

 

[happy_eagle]

Sounds like it?

And why are they ignoring mental health then?

What is your point

 

[jdisc]

Sounds like it?

And why are they ignoring mental health then?

its part of a larger anti-male conspiracy theory

 

[jdisc]

obviously the AFL has gone way too far by sitting idly by while Mitch brown goes on a podcast

 

[HoneyBadger35]

What is your point

I’ll save you the time.

The AFL doing a men’s mental health round is the most important issue to me, a straight white man. My argument for this when asked in public is because suicide is the leading cause of death in young men.

Hmm?

The suicide rate in gay men is four times higher than straight men?

How about you stop bringing bloody political causes into everything, what’s wrong with us just playing footy ffs?

We’re arguing with people who have never progressed beyond ‘I find being gay icky’ and just want the world to go back to when we nobody asked me to treat others with basic respect.

 

[happy_eagle]

I’ll save you the time.

The AFL doing a men’s mental health round is the most important issue to me, a straight white man. My argument for this when asked in public is because suicide is the leading cause of death in young men.

Hmm?

The suicide rate in gay men is four times higher than straight men?

How about you stop bringing bloody political causes into everything, what’s wrong with us just playing footy ffs?

We’re arguing with people who have never progressed beyond ‘I find being gay icky’ and just want the world to go back to when we nobody asked me to treat others with basic respect.

Yep should have figured he was arguing in bad faith when I saw his opening post in the thread about showering.

 

[dewcefault]

We’re arguing with people who have never progressed beyond ‘I find being gay icky’ and just want the world to go back to when we nobody asked me to treat others with basic respect.

Definitely find that mullet very icky...

What's always fascinated me is why don't professional teams have more discreet change rooms.
I always struggled with communal shower facilities at school sports/swimming and plenty of stories in this thread about it with others too. Won't be financially practical at all levels but surely the AFL could could have private shower and changing facilities for the players. You wouldn't need that much extra space.
It'll provide privacy and remove some of the friction points referenced by Brown and make it that much easier for current players to come out.
It'll also remove some of the bravado which lead to those macho homophobic types of comments made in the locker room.

 

[Smotie2]

I’ll save you the time.

The AFL doing a men’s mental health round is the most important issue to me, a straight white man. My argument for this when asked in public is because suicide is the leading cause of death in young men.

Hmm?

The suicide rate in gay men is four times higher than straight men?

How about you stop bringing bloody political causes into everything, what’s wrong with us just playing footy ffs?

We’re arguing with people who have never progressed beyond ‘I find being gay icky’ and just want the world to go back to when we nobody asked me to treat others with basic respect.

Very shameful and disgraceful comments you've made in this post.

You're assuming I'm a straight white male. You know nothing about me and about my life.

However Is being a straight white male a dirty thing in this world now?or which one is unacceptable to you now that you are debasing? Being white? Straight or male?
Or does the combination of all 3 disgusts you?

Mental health is a very serious issue and suicide is also. Pretty disgusting of you to just cast the aspersions that suicide is only the domain of young men.
Many people commit suicide and it's a scourge on society and our own club has been affected by this.
Maybe you should go to some courses to adjust your attitude this this serious issue in life and learn to not use it to score cheap points in a forum.

I will share something with you from my personal life.
My father committed suicide when I was 14 years old. So yes it is a big deal for me but not in the way that you're using this against me.
I was actually not saying what you've attempted to accuse me of.
My point is that if the AFL is serious about getting involved in social issues then isn't mental health and suicide something that is worth doing and why hasn't it?

Pretty sad you've projected that last comment onto people and if you're projecting onto me or attempting to it's pretty laughable given my entire point of my post isn't about the LGBTQ community but was very clearly directed at the AFL and it's hypocritical stance to social issues.

Sexuality is a personal thing and in my opinion just be left personal and if there are issues or abuses towards LGBTQ people in footy clubs it should be dealt with internally, not this name and shame method being employed currently for many reasons including mental health.

Anyway, by all means go ahead and misrepresent my comments and cast aspersions on me and my comments which have been taken out of context and as it is obviously not the "board opinion" as usual the "gang" go to work and lambast someone for having a difference of opinion.

Shame on you mate.

Oh and before I finish up, I fully expect you to go on a personal attack and rant again towards me to skew my comments and try to justify your disgusting comments towards mental health and suicide.

Because that's what ego does to people.

 

[Smotie2]

Yep should have figured he was arguing in bad faith when I saw his opening post in the thread about showering.

I haven't been trying to argue at all and certainly not in bad faith.

I shared my opinion on this subject and also shared why which is a **** load more than you've done.

I asked a genuine question about showering, it wasn't a veiled question about anything other than this.

Women certainly find it uncomfortable and unacceptable to shower in ancummunal setting with men due to the obvious reasons.
If someone is gay and everyone knows it how would straight men feel about showering with someone who is attracted to the male body and would it cause problems?

I asked the question because I've never been in the situation and wondered what people thoughts were on it.

I've asked friends of mine who have said they had showered in a communal setting with someone and found out later they were gay and said they wouldn't have showered with that person of they knew beforehand.

If you think it's a homophobic question then that's your problem not mine.

One of the issues in this board is that if people share opinions that are not the accepted or popular opinion, the bullies all come out in force and shit on that person. I've seen it happen multiple times and it's pretty disgraceful. Sadly some of the mods generally lead the packs.

Carry on with your accustaions.

Cheers

 

[KERRPOW]

 

[Smotie2]

This is the comment you are referring to, no?



To which you replied:


Other posters have explained why it's important to break the stigma and how it helps other young men feel more comfortable in an environment where they're usually excluded.

I'm not sure how you've now got onto the topic of "the AFL wanting to get involved in every social issue" and there being a round for every single one of them. It seems like a bit of a strawman.

Some posters have pointed to the importance of AFL action on certain issues, yourself included on the topic of mens mental health. But in this instance we're talking about the LGBT community and their relationship to football the sport, we're talking about a former west coast player coming out on a podcast. I'm not sure why you're jumping to making this about AFL branded rounds and actions from corporate.

Again, I was giving examples of issues that the AFL ignore and could bring awareness to. Some of my examples were in sarcasm and sadly you missed that.

My opinion, whether you agree with it or not I don't give a ****, is that social issues should not be made an issue of in a specific round.
ie. pride round for purposes of this discussion.

I'm not saying the issues don't need to be dealt with but merely saying they should be dealt with privately within the club.

In a workplace, and AFL is a workplace, issues with each employee are dealt with privately. Yes, regulations and policies are shared to all so people are aware not to break those and the consequences if they do.

But when for example someone abuses someone in the work place they are dealt with privately and given a written warning or counselling etc etc.

That is the crux of my opinion.

You disagree and many other do. Fine.

 

[Smotie2]

Bloke articulates super clearly how alienated he felt from the only world he knew and how he eventually just gave up on it entirely and ended his footy career early.

“Why isn’t there a men’s mental health round”.

We know what you mean. Not those men. No not those men. No I’m not worried about their mental health, what about me?

At this point the ones not getting are deliberately choosing to not get it, and quite simply never will.

Thread is staying up because it’s important to show that 99% of people are very supportive of everyone, and if the 1% could quietly go to a different thread or log off to concentrate on that divorced loser rally that’s going on today, that would be appreciated. We’re not doing “why isn’t there men’s mental health round” or “why does this actually matter” again.

It’s been answered, you don’t like the answer, the world is moving on without you.

****ing hell mate. You're on fire lambasting other people for their opinions and obviously yours is are the only correct ones hey.

"Divorced loser rally"

Wow...like I said.

Your comments are disgusting towards people who you disagree with.

 

[happy_eagle]

Women certainly find it uncomfortable and unacceptable to shower in ancummunal setting with men due to the obvious reasons.
If someone is gay and everyone knows it how would straight men feel about showering with someone who is attracted to the male body and would it cause problems?

But this line of questioning sort of implies a very old homophobic trope that all gay men are hyper predatory and can't control themselves around straight men.

In reality to answer your question, most gay men are probably more self conscious about being in the shower with straight men because of this perception than the other way around.

Out of the Closet and Into the Shower

During college, I was known first for being gay, and second for being a member of the field hockey team, whether I liked it or not. I loved playing a team sport — the camaraderie, the collective se…

qburgh.com

This sentence in particular from the author in talking about how we might best address the "fear of the gay athlete" in the locker-room

What will it take to shift way from this philosophy?

Visibility. Gay athletes, in particular, current professional athletes need to come out. I recognize this is easier said than done. The shower debate aside, gay athletes fear retaliation from opposing teams and fans, lose endorsements, and experience disparate treatment from coaches, teammates, and referees.

Perhaps take a second to imagine a perspective that isn't your own.

 

[Smotie2]

But this line of questioning sort of implies a very old homophobic trope that all gay men are hyper predatory and can't control themselves around straight men.

In reality to answer your question, most gay men are probably more self conscious about being in the shower with straight men because of this perception than the other way around.

Out of the Closet and Into the Shower

During college, I was known first for being gay, and second for being a member of the field hockey team, whether I liked it or not. I loved playing a team sport — the camaraderie, the collective se…

qburgh.com

This sentence in particular from the author in talking about how we might best address the "fear of the gay athlete" in the locker-room

Well I guess you could ask some women if they feel like they would be sexualised if they were showing with men.

My question wasn't implying anything Other than what was asked.

Hmm...almost like i asked a question for that very reason yeah?

 

[jdisc]

"Divorced loser rally"

Wow...like I said.

Your comments are disgusting towards people who you disagree with.

you were there weren't you

 

[Smotie2]

you were there weren't you

Not that it's any of your business troll....I was not.

Oh, now I'm accepted? Do I pass the test?

 

[happy_eagle]

Well I guess you could ask some women if they feel like they would be sexualised if they were showing with men.

If you don't understand why this isn't an equivalent comparison, then there is really no point engaging in this conversation any further.

 

[Smotie2]

If you don't understand why this isn't an equivalent comparison, then there is really no point engaging in this conversation any further.

If you don't understand why it is an equivalent comparison then yeah. Ciao
Enjoy your spaghetti

 

[jdisc]

Not that it's any of your business troll....I was not.

Oh, now I'm accepted? Do I pass the test?

yep you've passed! Your voucher for Perth Steamworks will arrive in the mail in 3 to 5 days