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Nickos66 said:
We offered the compo pick (#20 - now Crozier), but Brisbane wanted 16 (Sheridan). Melbourne cut our grass with Pick 12 and a blank checkbook, care of Schwobboly. Yeah, we really blundered that one up.
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We ended up agreeing to pick 16 in the end. But it was the $$$$$$$$ from the Schwabboll monster that defeated us in the end.
 
ImperialPurple said:
Not quite. We originally offered our second (29) they wanted our first (16). In fact they wanted higher than our first so we would have had to trade player + pick 16 to upgrade to the pick they wanted, which we apparently looked around at trying to do but no luck early. Typical start of negotiations. High ball - low ball...

We also had pick 20, which was the compo for Palmer offing to GWS. We said we didn't want to trade out of the first round, they wouldn't take 29 - don't blame either party at this stage. We then offered 20 - they still wanted 16. In fact, at some point through all this they were asking for 16 and 20. Clark issued his statement via FFC website that he fully intended to be a Freo player by the end of trade week.

Trade was at a dead-lock, Melbourne and Schwabbolly started sniffing around saying they'd be prepared to give up pick 12, Brisbane were prepared to deal with Melbourne and Young just wanted the deal done, so he agreed to speak with Melbourne. We subsequently offered 16.

Looked to all and sundry like a done deal, papers were on the verge of being signed all round when the Schwabbolly crew felt that rush, that urge to 'win' at the trade table and land the big fish regardless of what it would cost (Croad, JCarr, Tarrant anyone???) - and whammo an extra $200K per year to Clark and pick 12 to Brisbane (who were happy to take pick 16 at that point), and Clark shafts us right up the clacker, and suddenly he's not so homesick anymore.
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yup ... we botched it
 

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BananaOnTheRun said:
which came first, being a dickhead or getting depressed? I think the former in this case.
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Uncool post. Depression is real. And if he was diagnosed as clinically depressed as stated on record, a losing culture, the negativity of it day to day would have been taxing on his very real condition.

A positive culture with strong leadership group and less scrutiny on "stars" is the right place for a clinically depressed person. Freo, Hawks. Two best candidates for this. Freo box seat with the come home, support network factor.

I bet his healthcare professional is part of the driving force that says he needs better environment for his career, in order to stay healthy. Melbourne aint the place, even with Roos.
 
Docker Alyssa said:
Uncool post. Depression is real. And if he was diagnosed as clinically depressed as stated on record, a losing culture, the negativity of it day to day would have been taxing on his very real condition.

A positive culture with strong leadership group and less scrutiny on "stars" is the right place for a clinically depressed person. Freo, Hawks. Two best candidates for this. Freo box seat with the come home, support network factor.

I bet his healthcare professional is part of the driving force that says he needs better environment for his career, in order to stay healthy. Melbourne aint the place, even with Roos.
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Your post is admirable and well reasoned however AFL is a cut throat, high performance business and it is not unreasonable to question the suitability of an individual who places these kind of conditions on his availability to be in this business at all. He will be under the spotlight wherever he goes. Can you imagine the scrutiny on his return to the field? Not unlike the Ben Cousins return game without all the stupid signs. Is this really where a person suffering from depression should be? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking the question.
 
Docker Alyssa said:
Uncool post. Depression is real. And if he was diagnosed as clinically depressed as stated on record, a losing culture, the negativity of it day to day would have been taxing on his very real condition.

A positive culture with strong leadership group and less scrutiny on "stars" is the right place for a clinically depressed person. Freo, Hawks. Two best candidates for this. Freo box seat with the come home, support network factor.

I bet his healthcare professional is part of the driving force that says he needs better environment for his career, in order to stay healthy. Melbourne aint the place, even with Roos.
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Nah, **** him. I've got friends who have mental health problems and they don't use it as a license to be a dickhead. At some point he has to take responsibility for his choices.
 
ImperialPurple said:
Not quite. We originally offered our second (29) they wanted our first (16). In fact they wanted higher than our first so we would have had to trade player + pick 16 to upgrade to the pick they wanted, which we apparently looked around at trying to do but no luck early. Typical start of negotiations. High ball - low ball...

We also had pick 20, which was the compo for Palmer offing to GWS. We said we didn't want to trade out of the first round, they wouldn't take 29 - don't blame either party at this stage. We then offered 20 - they still wanted 16. In fact, at some point through all this they were asking for 16 and 20. Clark issued his statement via FFC website that he fully intended to be a Freo player by the end of trade week.

Trade was at a dead-lock, Melbourne and Schwabbolly started sniffing around saying they'd be prepared to give up pick 12, Brisbane were prepared to deal with Melbourne and Young just wanted the deal done, so he agreed to speak with Melbourne. We subsequently offered 16.

Looked to all and sundry like a done deal, papers were on the verge of being signed all round when the Schwabbolly crew felt that rush, that urge to 'win' at the trade table and land the big fish regardless of what it would cost (Croad, JCarr, Tarrant anyone???) - and whammo an extra $200K per year to Clark and pick 12 to Brisbane (who were happy to take pick 16 at that point), and Clark shafts us right up the clacker, and suddenly he's not so homesick anymore.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, because I am going off of my not so reliable memory here. But, didn't Brisbane want 16 and Zac Clarke? I think we rightly told them they're dreaming. We won out of that deal, because even if we did give up pick 16 we'd have had a player that has basically sat on the sidelines ever since.
 
Young is wrong - Freo were quite correct not to match Melbourne's salary offer to Clark. He would have been the highest paid player on the list if we did, and it would have made it hard to retain players like Fyfe and Mundy down the track with less salary cap space. Bond and co looked after the club first.
 
Does anyone remember what the actual figures were in terms of what we offered and what Schwabby then chucked at him?
 
walken79 said:
Does anyone remember what the actual figures were in terms of what we offered and what Schwabby then chucked at him?
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I don't think it was published at the time, just that Bond said it would make him more highly paid than any other player at the club - including guys like Pav, McPharlin and Sandilands etc - and that was not the sort of salary cap model they wanted to operate.
 

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E Shed said:
Your post is admirable and well reasoned however AFL is a cut throat, high performance business and it is not unreasonable to question the suitability of an individual who places these kind of conditions on his availability to be in this business at all. He will be under the spotlight wherever he goes. Can you imagine the scrutiny on his return to the field? Not unlike the Ben Cousins return game without all the stupid signs. Is this really where a person suffering from depression should be? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking the question.
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I will say this. If he has other career opportunities then that is a reasonable argument. I think at Hawks or Freo his return would be nowhere near as much scrutiny than a struggling club. You can't have journo's writing stories about his return in a negative light unless its to a questionable environment success and culture wise. Which clubs like melbourne attract that angle. He'll be written about a lot. So he'll be hounded a lot. All of a sudden it won't matter he is disposed to depression. "leaving him alone" will be all of a sudden off the cards. Hell it already is......

It's not exactly like I'm saying Mitch Clark's thinking is "if i dont win, if i dont get a flag, my depression will affect me"... haha

Which is unfortunately what some people infer from the notion hes entertaining offers to go to a hawks, or a freo system. The important part is its a successful positive culture for footballers to play in. It has to be, that they are achieving things.
 
The Age are reporting that Collingwood has again met with Mitch Clark, and is poised to make an offer to both he and the Demons about a move to the Westpac Centre.

It is understood that Heritier Lumumba and Collingwood have agreed to part company, with Lumumba keen to take on a leadership role at Melbourne and in particular link-up with good friend and former premiership teammate, Chris Dawes.

The deal for Clark to Collingwood would be utilised via Lumumba heading to Melbourne.
 
apuchar said:
The Age are reporting that Collingwood has again met with Mitch Clark, and is poised to make an offer to both he and the Demons about a move to the Westpac Centre.

It is understood that Heritier Lumumba and Collingwood have agreed to part company, with Lumumba keen to take on a leadership role at Melbourne and in particular link-up with good friend and former premiership teammate, Chris Dawes.

The deal for Clark to Collingwood would be utilised via Lumumba heading to Melbourne.
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cool ... stops two threads in one shot
 
apuchar said:
The Age are reporting that Collingwood has again met with Mitch Clark, and is poised to make an offer to both he and the Demons about a move to the Westpac Centre.

It is understood that Heritier Lumumba and Collingwood have agreed to part company, with Lumumba keen to take on a leadership role at Melbourne and in particular link-up with good friend and former premiership teammate, Chris Dawes.

The deal for Clark to Collingwood would be utilised via Lumumba heading to Melbourne.
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That deal would be a win win for us.We wont see either of them down Freo way
 
Admiral Byng said:
Young is wrong - Freo were quite correct not to match Melbourne's salary offer to Clark. He would have been the highest paid player on the list if we did, and it would have made it hard to retain players like Fyfe and Mundy down the track with less salary cap space. Bond and co looked after the club first.
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Agree with all of this. And particularity re the bolded bit I think Bond et al would again be looking after the club if it at least investigated the possibility of securing Clark. To strike a line through him carte blanche without even talking to him and his team seems a bit churlish. I'm not saying we SHOULD take him, just that we should at the very least consider it.
 

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apuchar said:
The Age are reporting that Collingwood has again met with Mitch Clark, and is poised to make an offer to both he and the Demons about a move to the Westpac Centre.

It is understood that Heritier Lumumba and Collingwood have agreed to part company, with Lumumba keen to take on a leadership role at Melbourne and in particular link-up with good friend and former premiership teammate, Chris Dawes.

The deal for Clark to Collingwood would be utilised via Lumumba heading to Melbourne.
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Many lols.
 
apuchar said:
The Age are reporting that Collingwood has again met with Mitch Clark, and is poised to make an offer to both he and the Demons about a move to the Westpac Centre.

It is understood that Heritier Lumumba and Collingwood have agreed to part company, with Lumumba keen to take on a leadership role at Melbourne and in particular link-up with good friend and former premiership teammate, Chris Dawes.

The deal for Clark to Collingwood would be utilised via Lumumba heading to Melbourne.
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Why does that read way too much like an excerpt from a Kim Hackdorn article? If it is - you've just double-negative'd it and it's no longer going to happen. :(
 
Nickos66 said:
Why does that read way too much like an excerpt from a Kim Hackdorn article? If it is - you've just double-negative'd it and it's no longer going to happen. :(
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Don't think Hagger's writes for the Age. But it might not happen anyway. Pretty sure neither are coming here. Not that I care either way.
 

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